2018-07-12 GnuCash IRC logs
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08:51:42 <jerdef> Hi, is there an accountant in this room that could help me understand basic concepts and how to apply them to Gnucash? Thanks.
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09:02:09 <warlord> .
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09:28:05 <fell> jerdef, did you read http://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3&lang=C&doc=guide
09:33:39 <jerdef> If this is the link to the Tutorial and Concepts Guide, then I've read it, yes.
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09:39:59 <warlord> Yes, jerdef -- that's the Guide link.
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09:57:32 <jerdef> Anyway, I'm a bit confused as to how I should turn a purchase that doesn't have VAT included (= expense) into an investment (= asset) so I can start depreciate it each year. Usually I go through Business\Vendor\New Bill and start filling out the fields and then post the bill and process the payment right away but the lack of VAT makes it more tricky. I can provide examples if necessary.
10:00:22 <warlord> jerdef: I don't understand the issue. Just use an Asset instead of an Expense.
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12:12:17 <fell> jerdef: Either don't use the invoices in this case or reassign the amount from the expense to an asset account afterwards.
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13:14:47 <jerdef> Fell: What seemed like a good method was to create two bills: 1) one for the actual payment, then post and process the payment + foreign VAT in an asset account - minus the foreign VAT in a liability account ("nul operation") ; 2) make another bill for the investment + local VAT in a asset account - local VAT account in a liability account
13:15:02 <jerdef> I have the feeling this would be easier explained with a few screenshots.
13:16:40 <jerdef> Even my accountant thought it was a good idea but in the end I'm left with an increase balance in a liability account, which shouldn't happen, hence I don't think this is such a good idea after all.
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13:27:14 <jralls> warlord: "We do not accept bugmail. Use https://bugs.gnucash.org/" is a bit terse and might convey the wrong impression, particularly to a correspondent who's not fluent in English.
13:29:51 <jralls> warlord: Is there a limit to the message size? Something a bit gentler, like "Our bug tracker doesn't know what to do with email replies, please click the link to the bug in the email you replied to.", and maybe a link to more instructions on the wiki, would be nicer... but might be too wordy.
13:34:14 <jralls> @tell Robert847 Where do you see this "Auto Clear" function? There's nothing about it in the release notes and the sources do not contain that string.
13:34:14 <gncbot> jralls: The operation succeeded.
13:40:01 <fell> jerdef: That is a complex case. IMHO you better write down all details (your country and its applicable tax rules) in a mail to gnucash-user.
13:41:15 <fell> E.g. for an inner EU buy one VAT split would go to current assets:paid VAT.
13:42:16 <fell> the counterpart to liabilities:VAT collected
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14:26:59 <jerdef> I know I'm not supposed to put pressure but how fast would I get a response if I write a message to gnucash-user@gnucash.org?
14:27:25 <jerdef> Actually the first time I wanted to create several Tax Tables.
14:27:48 <jerdef> Right now I have VAT Receivable and VAT Payable.
14:28:54 <warlord> usually within a day.
14:30:25 <jerdef> Thought about adding one more for each country I buy goods from but my accountant said, "What the hell are you doing?" [LOL]
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14:31:47 <jerdef> I'll be a happy pinguin when I can solve that problem because it's a tough one and it's giving me headaches.
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14:32:53 <jerdef> Accounts VAT Receivable/Payable currently only exist for my own country (VAT 21%).
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14:57:25 <warlord> How many different countries/VATs are you talking?
14:58:36 <jerdef> Only two types of VAT (Germany and Belgium).
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15:00:29 <warlord> Okay.
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15:46:05 <blinky> Having a weird issue with character encoding in some places. For example, when I put letters with accents in Properties -> Business -> Company address, they get messed up (e.g., á becomes á) when I close and open it again. Any idea why that might be?
15:47:32 <jralls> blinky: Probably Guile getting the encoding wrong. What OS and what locale?
15:48:29 <blinky> Windows en_US. I tried changing the charset and local like here https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Locale_Settings but it didn't help
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15:59:27 <jralls> blinky: Are you on GnuCash 3.2? We thought that we'd fixed all of the places where we were telling Guile to use localized strings to use UTF8 ones instead.
15:59:54 <blinky> Yes. This happened after I upgraded from 2.something to 3.2
16:00:16 <blinky> It was working OK before the upgrade
16:02:31 <jralls> OK, we must have missed a scm_string_to_locale_string call. Please file a bug. It worked before because that was using an older version of Guile that handled encoding differently.
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16:20:29 <jralls> blinky: Thanks.
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16:24:55 <warlord> FYI, I've updated the wiki FavIcon
16:25:45 <jralls> warlord: Looks good.
16:25:59 <jralls> warlord: In Scheme, what does <foo> do?
16:26:22 <warlord> jralls: context?
16:26:34 <jralls> e.g. (simple-obj-getter <qif-file> 'cats)
16:27:15 <warlord> I don't think it does anything -- i think "<qif-file>" is the symbol
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16:28:46 <jralls> Ah, yes, I see it. Looks weird, but I guess that's my C bias where everything that isn't [a-z0-9] has to do *something*.
16:29:23 <warlord> *nods*
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17:35:50 <jralls> warlord: I'm working https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796579. After much flailing about I've determined that the import is failing because it includes a transaction with a blank L parameter, so no second split is created. This causes an unhandled scheme exception at https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/gnucash/import-export/qif-imp/qif-to-gnc.scm#L536 because qif-split is #f.
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17:41:11 <jralls> warlord: I've actually fixed what the bug is complaining with https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/gnucash/import-export/qif-imp/qif-to-gnc.scm#L536, but that simply results in the import saying "failed" and skipping the matching phase altogether.
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17:46:33 <jralls> warlord: Shouldn't there be a more graceful way to handle it?
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