2018-07-08 GnuCash IRC logs
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02:56:10 <chris-zzz> some progress ... https://pastebin.com/Z469kYzW :)
02:58:07 <chris-zzz> I bet the old wizards never imagine these reports would be torture-tested anytime in the future
02:58:31 <chris-zzz> test failure probably due to unfinished test-stress-options
02:59:16 <chris-zzz> all done in 11s
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03:16:29 <jtr0n> I started using Gnucash and when I go to enter transactions into my checking account, I have to scroll with the mouse to select one of the other expenses. Is there a shortcut where I can jump to a certain expense?
03:16:52 <jtr0n> For example, if I want to jump to Expenses:Subscriptions instead of having to type out Expenses: Subscriptions
03:17:43 <jtr0n> I'm using Gnucash 3.2 on the Mac
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03:18:01 <gjanssens> ,
03:20:03 <arahael> jtr0n: You can just type Ex:Sub, gnucash is pretty good at abbreviations like that.
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03:21:48 <jtr0n> Ok, let me give that a try.
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03:22:35 <jtr0n> @arahael That is what I was looking for. :)
03:23:23 <jtr0n> The only other thing I've encountered with Gnucash is once when I was entering transactions, the app crashed on me and I didn't have a chance to save.
03:23:35 <jtr0n> So I had to reenter all of the transactions and click on Save
03:23:42 <arahael> jtr0n: Could you remove the colours from your text, it's weird.
03:24:09 <jtr0n> I did that so my text would stand out because I thoutht everyone was using the same colors.
03:24:17 <jtr0n> thought*
03:24:23 <arahael> jtr0n: That's an incredibly naive assumption!
03:24:35 <arahael> jtr0n: As it stands, your text is dark blue on a black background.
03:24:56 <jtr0n> Is that better?
03:25:00 <arahael> Much better.
03:25:16 <jtr0n> Most users are using black for their text.
03:25:23 <arahael> Yeah, they're weird. :)
03:25:29 <arahael> As for the saving issue, just save often.
03:25:31 <jtr0n> Lol.
03:25:43 <jtr0n> Is there an auto-save that I missed in gnucash?
03:25:53 <arahael> There probably is, and also, backup files.
03:26:05 <jtr0n> I didn't know about backups.
03:26:29 <jtr0n> I was using YNAB before gnucash but could not pay $50/year right now.
03:27:19 <arahael> Is $50 a lot in your area? It could certainly be put in better use, perhaps, in any case. :)
03:27:53 <arahael> I use Gnucash 2.7 on the mac, it works quite nicely.
03:28:09 <jtr0n> Yeah, I have 3.2 on the mac.
03:28:11 <arahael> If 3.2 works well, I might be compelled to upgrade.
03:28:31 <jtr0n> How often is gnucash updated?
03:29:17 <arahael> I'm not sure, the devs here seem to be very active in updating it, but that doesn't neccessarily correlate to actual releases.
03:29:29 <jtr0n> Who are the devs here?
03:29:46 <arahael> jtr0n: Hang around for a few days, you'll notice them. :)
03:29:48 <jtr0n> Do they have the stars?
03:29:53 <arahael> Stars?
03:30:00 <jtr0n> Yeah stars next to their username in chat
03:30:14 <arahael> No idea... What chat client do you use?
03:30:22 <jtr0n> mibbit
03:30:43 <arahael> Interesting. I use weechat. You'll learn that almost every irc'er uses a different setting and different clients.
03:30:44 <jtr0n> warlord, jrails, to name two
03:31:03 <arahael> jtr0n: Yes, they are devs, pretty active ones, too.
03:31:26 <jtr0n> Oh, good to know. I can't seem to get the online bank to work in gnucash
03:31:33 <jtr0n> so I gave up on that
03:32:02 <arahael> Most clients use the '@' symbol instead, and these are channel operators.
03:32:14 <jtr0n> yeah, this client uses stars
03:32:25 <arahael> So, basically, they are the moderators.
03:32:55 <jtr0n> I'm sure not many are up this late
03:33:20 <jtr0n> I work nights on the weekend so I thought I'd come and try to get help
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03:41:05 <arahael> jtr0n: You seem to be making a lot of assumptions today.
03:41:16 <arahael> jtr0n: It's not even 6pm. ;)
03:41:42 <arahael> But it's also sunday.
03:43:02 <jtr0n> Yeah it is sunday.
03:43:15 <jtr0n> Sorry I tend to make generalizations.
03:43:27 <arahael> I've noticed. :)
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09:11:36 <warlord> arahael: FYI, 2.7 were TEST releases. You should NOT be using 2.7 for anything real.
09:13:42 <warlord> arahael: Also, it was 3am US/EDT (midnight US/PDT) when you and jtr0n were talking. I was asleep (EDT), and jralls (PDT) was probably in bed, too. gjanssens and fell are in CEDT but because it's Sunday am -- they are probably busy.
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12:31:04 * gjanssens was busy indeed... enjoying a beautiful quiet Sunday morning :D
12:50:18 <gjanssens> fell: I didn't get your feedback yet on the wiki favicon ?
12:55:54 <gjanssens> I posted the most recent update yesterday: https://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2018/07/07.html#T11:17:43
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13:41:24 <jralls> chris-zzz has been working in his sleep! ;-)
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13:46:27 <jralls> chris-zzz: 9 1/2 seconds, not as bad as you said. You might break it up into more tests to that the failure summary names the failing report.
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13:53:46 <jralls> @tell jtr0n Please file a bug report (https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Bugzilla) on the crash; attach the crash report (https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stack_Trace#MacOSX).
13:53:46 <gncbot> jralls: The operation succeeded.
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14:49:38 <masgo> Hi. I have installed the 3.2 version and I saw that it somehow supports PayPal online banking. Is there any more info/documentation for that feature?
14:51:01 <masgo> I found out where to get the API keys and I think I configured them right .. but it does not work
14:51:02 <jralls> masgo: If it's true (and I don't know that it is) it would be via AQBanking and either OFX Direct-connect or (in Germany only) HBCI.
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14:51:43 <jralls> masgo: There is no support for it directly in GnuCash and GnuCash doesn't know how to talk to HTTPS APIs.
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14:54:09 <masgo> yes, its from AQBanking. When I go to AQBanking setup -> Add User -> I am offered several options: EBICS, HBCI (which I use for other banks), Offline Backend (what ever this is?), OFX directconnect and Paypal
14:54:38 <masgo> (sorry if my translation is wrong, I am using the german gnucash
14:55:43 <jralls> masgo: Ah, I didn't know that Martin had added Paypal support to AQB. You'll need to ask on the AQB support channels how to set that up.
14:56:44 <masgo> Do you know the channel name?
14:57:59 <jralls> AFAIK he doesn't do IRC. Support information will be at https://www.aquamaniac.de.
14:58:08 <masgo> okay, thanks
14:58:51 <masgo> ans asking that "ebics" is, is probably also an aqbanking-only question, right?
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15:01:08 <jralls> It's probably a good question for Google...
15:02:08 <masgo> okay. Thanks
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17:24:00 <jralls> @tell warlord I've increased the BZ max attachment size to 5M from the default 1M to enable Wm to upload a video should he still care to. I hope it won't be a problem but we may need to monitor it.
17:24:00 <gncbot> jralls: The operation succeeded.
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17:26:41 <jralls> @tell warlord Eh, make that 4M, apparently there's a MySQL limit at that size.
17:26:41 <gncbot> jralls: The operation succeeded.
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20:58:08 <arahael> warlord: That's cool. I actually used 2.7 because earlier releases were blurry on macos, and I neglected to upgrade. I should definitely upgrade to 3.2 soon, thanks for that tip.
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21:05:13 <Grench> Do you guys know of a free/FOSS program that provides similar bookkeeping to quickbooks? Gnucash is double-entry, right?
21:05:18 <Grench> What does quickbooks count as?
21:08:50 <arahael> Apparently quickbooks is double-entry, though according to their site, they seem to use the basic accounting equation, maybe they're simplifying: https://quickbooks.intuit.com/r/bookkeeping/complete-guide-to-double-entry-bookkeeping/
21:09:39 <arahael> Gnucash is double-entry, though uses the extended accounting equation. Fundamentally though, the double-entry is the important bit.
21:09:46 * arahael is not an accountant.
21:10:33 <arahael> Quickbooks seems to be client/server based, whereas gnucash is client-only.
21:44:06 <Grench> arahael: Interesting. I'm trying to find a solution that can basically synchronize with a client's bank account and categorize transactions, and then make filing taxes easier for him (and his 'tax lady'). I've done a bunch of work with him in quickbooks online, but now I'm considering the cost savings of switching to FOSS.
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21:48:33 <arahael> Grench: A number of people seem to be able to do that with no problem in Gnucash, but it depends on the bank. My bank doesn't appear to allow it so I do mine manually.
21:48:50 <arahael> Grench: This sort of thing seems more common in the US, as an example.
21:49:34 <Grench> Ah, interesting. Are you not from the US?
21:49:45 <fell> Grench in which Countries do you have bank accounts?
21:50:09 <Grench> Just the US.
21:50:56 <fell> There are directconnet and OFQ/QFX import options
21:53:11 <fell> In DE we have also the bidirectional FinTS/HBCI protocoll. ;-)
21:54:37 <arahael> Grench: I'm Australian. In some ways, we have a much better banking system. But there are some serious limitations as well. :(
21:54:54 <Grench> Oh? What are the tradeoffs/
21:55:00 <arahael> But that's getting political and patriotic. ;)
21:55:14 <fell> Other formats are Intuits QIF, some of SWIFTs MT9xx formats and the basic CSV
21:55:37 <arahael> Grench: We're nearly cash-free, arguably. Most people have their job payslip deposited directly, for instance, and bank transfers are starting to become instant.
21:56:27 <Grench> That is definitely superior to the nightmare we have here.
21:56:32 <Grench> ESPECIALLY the bank transfer situation.
21:58:56 <arahael> Instant bank transfers are uncommon, but my bank has it now. It's really wierd, making a deposit, and having the other party confirm *on the spot* that it's in their account.
22:02:42 * arahael has never written a cheque in his life.
22:08:06 <fell> @tell gjanssens Yeah, I was too busy over the weekend. 1. #7, 2. #5 because they are easier to rcognize in the small resolution.
22:08:06 <gncbot> fell: The operation succeeded.
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22:49:45 <chris-zzz> arahael another aussie \o/
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22:52:44 <arahael> chris: We're the best. :)
22:54:17 <chris> Perthian
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