2018-06-25 GnuCash IRC logs
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03:55:19 <gjanssens> .
03:55:19 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 6 hours and 30 minutes ago: <chris-afk> and jralls I'm getting quite proud of multicol balsheet. I expect to replicate all previous options eventually. and I am sure I can use variable price conversions ie each periodic amount is converted using the price entry of that particular period... which means the price-source option becomes irrelevant. need some testers!
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07:31:19 <chris> next-gen balsheet-pnl has a surprise :)
07:36:04 <gour> chris: the one in 3.2?
07:36:14 <chris> no still being brewed
07:36:55 <gour> ahh, ok.
07:37:43 <gour> is the scheme described here: http://ds26gte.github.io/tyscheme/index.html R5RS?
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07:56:04 <chris> i think so
07:56:41 <chris> https://wingolog.org/archives/2013/01/07/an-opinionated-guide-to-scheme-implementations is a nice overview of dialects
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08:19:27 <mib_vcnm00> Hi! I'm using GNUCash 3.2 on macOS. I'd like to see which of my transactions have files associated with them, or filter to see only the ones that don't. It looks like this feature was added in 2.8, but I can't find it, or work out how to turn it on. Can any one help? Thanks!
08:22:50 <chris> check the Tools menu
08:23:39 <chris> Tools>Transaction Associations
08:24:02 <mib_vcnm00> I found that one, looks like it shows me all the transactions that have files?
08:24:17 <mib_vcnm00> Can I find the ones that don't?
08:26:19 <chris> don't think there's a filter
08:27:00 <mib_vcnm00> Cheers, I guess I'll just have to manually check. Thanks for your help!
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08:34:33 <chris> i have no beta testers:(
08:34:47 <warlord> chris: did you email the users' list?
08:35:25 <chris> no for them it'l be a surprise...
08:36:32 <warlord> Oh. well.... You have orders of magnitude more readers there than here.
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10:17:45 <kyrios> Hello, is it possible to add Solus installation instructions under Linux on this page? https://www.gnucash.org/download.phtml#distribution
10:18:03 <kyrios> Solus: Solus users can install GnuCash through the Software Center (Office Software -> Financial Software -> gnucash)
10:18:29 <kyrios> Logo can be found on this page (right one) https://solus-project.com/branding/
10:18:52 <warlord> kyrios: feel free to send a pull request against the htdocs repo
10:19:38 <kyrios> oh the doc repo is on github? cool (I don't have a sourceforge account). I'll do it, thanks
10:20:03 <warlord> Yes, the HTdocs repo is on github
10:20:12 <warlord> (as is the gnucash docs repo)
10:40:37 <kyrios> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-htdocs/pull/19
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10:41:52 <warlord> kyrios: thanks. the devs will take a look.
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12:10:18 <jralls> warlord: Do we *really* want to turn our website into an advertiser for every tiny distro that asks?
12:10:52 <jralls> kyrios isn't a user, you know. He's one of the devs on Solus.
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12:37:01 <gjanssens> jralls: How bad is it if we do ?
12:37:11 <gjanssens> I see it as publicity for gnucash as well.
12:37:34 <gjanssens> Near the end of 2.6 we were being dropped from many distros due to our webkit1 legacy.
12:37:45 <jralls> How is it publicity for us? The reader is already on our website.
12:38:24 <gjanssens> Showing we're available on several distros (large and small) sounds good to me.
12:38:51 <gjanssens> For a bit of searching I do agree Solus is not a big distro by any means...
12:39:16 <jralls> Then we should list all of the distros on which we're available, right? And remove RedHat, Debian, and Ubuntu since we're presently not available there.
12:40:50 <jralls> The thing that got my goat about them was the Wikipedia article. It's basically a press release.
12:41:52 <gjanssens> Well we are on Ubuntu as far as I can see on https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=bionic&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=gnucash but not the latest version
12:42:31 <jralls> Oh, that's right, they put 2.6.19 in 18.04. They haven't dumped webkit1 yet.
12:42:38 <gjanssens> Same for Debian: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnucash&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search
12:43:02 <gjanssens> And in fact I think we should *add* Debian to the list as it's currently missing.
12:43:36 <jralls> Right, because Stretch was early last year. We're not in the current testing, only in unstable, so we won't be in the next Debian release.
12:44:12 <jralls> Unless Dmitry can sell moving 3.x up.
12:45:01 <gjanssens> Oh, ok. So for our sake maybe we should promote getdeb on Debian then ? Unless that doesn't exist for Debian testing ?
12:45:31 <gjanssens> I'm fine with how we help users install gnucash on RedHat/CentOS via a third party repository.
12:46:27 <gjanssens> And I would add Arch and linux Mint as well as they have been around for a while.
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12:47:10 <jralls> Yeah, we probably should push getdeb. And absolutely Arch and Mint, we actually have several user-list participants on each.
12:49:00 <gjanssens> And Mandriva should probably be removed or replaced with Mageia.
12:50:41 <jralls> Um, yeah, Mandriva went bust 7 years ago!
12:51:41 <jralls> There's OpenMandriva as another successor.
12:53:30 <gjanssens> Ok. Though I don't find OpenMandriva in any linux popularity list. Mageia does appear here and there.
12:56:25 <gjanssens> jralls: As for Solus I still don't see it affecting us negatively to have this on our list. The fact kyrios was willing to create a PR speaks for them. It give an impression they are willing to act on gnucash for their community (a small act indeed, but I do appreciate it).
12:56:30 <jralls> I don't know that there's any reliable way to determine actual popularity. Distrowatch has a collection of pages on which they count hits, but I can't think of any reason anyone would visit a Distrowatch distro page other than to boost that distro in the standings.
12:57:03 <gjanssens> Heh, I visit distrowatch sometimes to search for available package versions :)
12:57:23 <gjanssens> But that is also biased because I only search on distros I care about that gnucash can run on
12:57:48 <jralls> Right, but does that affect the distro ranks?
12:58:04 <gjanssens> I also don't know of any reliable way to determine actual popularity
12:58:15 <gjanssens> I have no idea if that affects the rankings
12:59:11 <jralls> I don't think one exists. Even if one could get download counts from all of the distros, downloads != users.
12:59:30 <gjanssens> Right.
12:59:38 <warlord> jralls: I'm not making a judgement call on it. I figure you, geert, et al who are active can decide what to do about it. I have no skin in the game. But it does beg the question of why we have all those "use your package manager" on the various distros. It does beg to be "complete"
13:00:54 <jralls> warlord: Indeed. A more-or-less comprehensive list of distros headed by "You can get some version of GnuCash through the package managers of the following distros" would look better.
13:01:04 <gjanssens> Good point.
13:01:34 <gjanssens> I think these days people that have installed a linux distro will know where to look for software.
13:01:42 <gjanssens> There's probably no need any more for hand holding.
13:01:58 <jralls> But having only 5, one of which is defunct, makes it look like we're promoting particular distros (and Mandriva makes us look stupid)
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13:03:43 <warlord> I suggested a PR to him to see if he'd follow through or not. He did. But I agree that it would be better to just change the page to be more like: GnuCash can be found in the package manager of most Linux distributions, including: .....
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13:03:54 <warlord> *waves from 35,000' *
13:04:15 <jralls> Up in the air *again*?
13:09:05 <gjanssens> And perhaps we should start promoting third party, distro agnostic packages as well. I see there's now a version of gnucash on flatpak and there was a user that created a snap package.
13:09:19 <gjanssens> These are currently getting much attention in the linux world.
13:09:52 <gjanssens> I would prefer to have control over the build scripts of those packages but as with so many things it's somewhere on my todo list
13:10:10 <gjanssens> Fairly close to the bottom at present unfortunately.
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13:10:41 <jralls> Yeah, funny how stuff keeps getting put on top of the d***d list.
13:11:01 <gjanssens> On the other hand we don't have control over how distros build our software so there's not that much difference.
13:11:26 <gjanssens> Pragmatically I sometimes think of flatpak and snap as their own (universal) distros
13:12:02 <jralls> Right. But the distros are slightly more likely to consistently update than are random users.
13:12:18 <gjanssens> Yes, that's indeed the major weakness.
13:12:39 <gjanssens> And why it would be good if we did it ourselves as part of the release process.
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13:12:47 <gjanssens> But that will definitely have to wait
13:12:57 <jralls> And while AIO packaging makes some amount of sense for Windows and Mac where the dependencies are generally absent (aside from MinGW and MacPorts) it doesn't really make much sense on Linux.
13:13:18 <gjanssens> The debate is still ongoing
13:14:07 <gjanssens> And to be fair I initially had it in mind primarily for nightly builds
13:14:43 <gjanssens> To make it easier for us to ask a linux user to test a fix without requiring them to wait for the next release or build from git
13:16:42 <jralls> Yes, that would be helpful sometimes.
13:18:03 <gjanssens> Got to leave...
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13:29:58 <warlord> jralls: yeah, again..
13:30:09 <warlord> speaking at DAC in SF today and tomorrow.
13:30:51 <jralls> Ah, so you're coming here. When will you be able to do the BZ migration?
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13:31:38 <warlord> End of the week? I fly back Wednesday
13:32:26 <jralls> OK, I guess. That's cutting it close: Last I saw the turn-off day for Gnome's BZ is Sunday.
13:32:29 <warlord> I do need to figure out the TZ issue; the times DO claim 'Z' in there, but it does seem to be imported in localtime. I'll see if there's something else I need to do.
13:33:15 <warlord> I should be able to test it this week.
13:33:43 <jralls> OK. Do you have a script ready to close all of the Gnome bugs with a redirect?
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13:40:16 <jralls> Actually don't need a script for that, we can use the bulk change from a search list on the website.
13:40:38 <jralls> Need to run errands, back in a while.
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13:44:52 <warlord> jralls_afk: but no, I do not have a script to close them out.
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14:20:19 <warlord> jralls_afk: I'm trying to fix the TZ issue.
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14:33:14 <warlord> damn. that didn't work.
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14:59:25 <warlord> GRR. Why is it not translating the timezone properly?
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15:05:05 <jralls> warlord: Are you using Migrate.pm from the BZ repo?
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15:10:48 <warlord> jralls: Mostly. I'm using the version in the Fedora RPM.
15:11:57 <jralls> It defines a config variable "timezone" with a default "local". Have you tried changing that to UTC?
15:12:16 <warlord> Yes
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