2018-04-08 GnuCash IRC logs

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00:18:51 <Luigi> OK, I blew it in Quicken, All the incomes are catagories except I made two of them accounts and Quicken cannot have "income accounts," only "categories." Thanks for helping me figure this out.
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03:45:12 <gour> morning
03:45:33 <gour> any hint why custom report is not loaded and nothing is visible in the debug log?
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03:47:21 <fell> gour, I talked with marco82 while you were sleeping. ;-)
03:48:52 <fell> there seems something wrong with the gncdotdir path
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03:49:36 <fell> and that is different from OS to OS.
03:52:30 <gour> @fell: ok, so the workaround is to use specific path? btw, i'm on (fedora) linux
03:52:30 <gncbot> gour: Error: "fell:" is not a valid command.
03:52:40 <gour> fell: ok, so the workaround is to use specific path? btw, i'm on (fedora) linux
03:53:14 <fell> just try it and report back
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03:56:42 <gour> fell: it does not work. another strange thing is that other custom reports which i do load via 'gncdotdir' are loaded
03:57:03 <gour> i also wonder why 'gnucash --debug --log gnc.scm=debug' does not produce anything?
03:57:25 <gour> fell: can you try to load the following report: https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2018-March/075748.html ?
03:59:44 <gour> i've 2.6.20 installed on f27
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04:01:42 <fell> So, it is already in 2.6.20 wrong? I thought in 3.0.
04:02:49 <gour> fell: no, i experience problem with 2.6.20...also tried with 2.6.18 (loading via gncdotdir)
04:03:18 <gour> for 3.0 there is, afaik, difference that GC uses XDG_DIR
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04:05:35 <fell> Once upon a time, it was ~/.gnucash, then IIRC it became ~/config/gnucash and now it follows XDG, right?
04:07:04 <gour> i think so, but, iirc, ~/.gnucash should be still viable option...considering other reports are loaded, it looks that, in my case, something is wrong with the report itself
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04:18:59 <chris> try gnc-build-userdata-path
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04:19:33 * fell is testing phil's report
04:21:20 <gour> chris: it does not load...while other reports using gnc-build-dotgnucash-path do load
04:21:51 <fell> and get: ;;; ERROR: In procedure stat: No such file or directory: "/home/frank/test/gnucash/buecher/~/.gnucash/reports/ytd-budget.scm"
04:22:10 <gour> i do hope that phil's report can bring me back to GC
04:22:23 <fell> That was with (load "~/.gnucash/reports/ytd-budget.scm")
04:22:55 <fell> So, the path is relative.
04:23:09 <gour> hmm...my report is simply in ~/.gnucash/ytd-budget.scm and the line is: (load (gnc-build-dotgnucash-path "ytd-budget.scm"))
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04:23:53 <fell> and ~ not interpreted
04:24:23 <gour> fell: previosuly i've tried with the absolute path and it didn't work
04:24:53 <fell> Now I will try (load "$HOME/.gnucash/reports/ytd-budget.scm")
04:26:01 <fell> similar
04:26:33 <fell> (load "/home/frank/.gnucash/reports/ytd-budget.scm")
04:28:14 <gour> when i put report into ~/.gnucash/reports/ytd-budget.scm i've gor some output in the terminal: https://pastebin.com/HBLRg7CL
04:30:49 <gour> rm-ed cache, reloaded and all the reports are re-compiled, but ytd-budget stil does not appear
04:31:16 <gour> i've guile-2.0.14 installed
04:31:28 <gour> mc
04:33:21 <gour> so, now the report is getting compiled, but not loaded within GC
04:33:34 <chris> I haven't researched Phil's report - all I know is thread in devel 5 months ago - https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2017-November/041282.html
04:34:16 <gour> now i get:
04:34:17 <gour> compiling /home/gour/.gnucash/ytd-budget.scm
04:34:17 <gour> ;;; compiled /home/gour/.cache/guile/ccache/2.0-LE-8-2.0/home/gour/.gnucash/ytd-budget.scm.go
04:34:36 <gour> but the report is not loaded...:-(
04:34:36 <chris> there's a module name change - try changing (use-modules (gnucash main)) to (use-modules (gnucash utilities))
04:36:22 <chris> fell: should I fix Phil's report and submit for inclusion in unstable?
04:36:49 <gour> chris: now i get: ERROR: no code for module (gnucash utilities)
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04:37:20 <fell> At least fix and announce in that thread
04:37:40 <chris> hm ok. tired today after flight, will work on it next day or so
04:37:49 <fell> Is it a useful report?
04:38:03 <chris> for me who never uses gnc budget, no
04:38:10 <chris> for others, seems a dealbreaker
04:38:13 <fell> Is the programming style OK?
04:38:23 <chris> not bad, I can fix too
04:38:41 <chris> I may rename to budget-ytd.scm for consistency with other budget reports
04:39:20 <gour> fell: but that fix is only for 2.7, right? it should work for 2.6.x?
04:39:47 <fell> Puh, when did we change that?
04:40:37 <gour> chris: right, lack of enveloper-budgeting/forecasting was the main reason i migrated my data to (h)ledger and i assume that phil's report brings that feature to GC - standard GC budget report is not cumulative to carry unused values over to the next month
04:41:31 <chris> 2.6 is end of life nowadays; gour have you tried 3.0 series?
04:41:38 <chris> 2.6 is LTS rather
04:41:51 <gour> i also wonder what is the future for custom reports in 3.x? still guile, python, something else? maybe i should write a post in regard
04:42:20 <gour> chris: nope, i just pulled what is available in repo. fc28 is going to have 3.0, iirc
04:43:02 <chris> for foreseeable future, scheme. beyond horizon, something else that I'll probably have to help build infrastructure. json or something then language agnostic
04:43:37 <gour> chris: so it means, learning some scheme should still make me happy for some time
04:43:54 <chris> learning scheme will definitely make you smile
04:44:12 <chris> I highly recommend it
04:45:12 <gour> i did try a bit with racket, but didn't have enough time nor proper usage for it...
04:45:15 <fell> It is a different approach than procedural languages.
04:45:48 <gour> i played wit haskell some years ago, but never grokked monads :-)
04:45:50 <chris> racket is IMO rather 'scheme-on-steroids' which is nice too
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04:46:36 <gour> yeah, i liked having its own DSL for GUI apps
04:47:00 <gour> and 7.0 should run on chez runtime...
04:47:21 <gour> chris: do you believe phil's report should work on 3.0?
04:47:51 <chris> there's no reason why it wouldn't work, nothing has fundamentally changed in gnucash infrastructure
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04:48:21 <gour> why it does not load on 2.6.20 then?
04:48:27 <chris> no clue!
04:48:38 <chris> I will see in next few days
04:48:59 <gour> ok...just wonder whether i should try to build 3.0 from the src then
04:51:20 <chris> ps go ahead and learn scheme - go through the first chapters of SICP, HTDP and TLS... it would be nice to have some company ;-)
04:51:20 <gour> build does not work with fish-shell...have to use bash
04:51:57 <gour> what is TLS?
04:52:19 <chris> if you wish, check out transaction.scm from unstable - it had a lot of improvements and is now IMHO much more readable than before
04:52:23 <chris> TLS = the little schemer
04:52:33 <gour> ahh, ok
04:52:44 <chris> ok gg now
05:00:56 <arahael> chris: Are people generally not happy with scheme these days?
05:02:00 <marco82> fell and gour: I created a new bug regarding the failure of loading custom reports https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795067
05:02:54 <marco82> I wrote it for Windows 10 and GnuCash 3.0 since this is what I use -- but I understand from you that you are using 2.6.20 and linux, so maybe we can enhance the bug or create a new, linked one?
05:03:33 <gour> marco82: well, the point is that in my case there is problem with the report itself since other custom reports do load
05:09:50 <marco82> ok understood
05:10:37 <gour> tried to build 3.0 from the src, but it requires too many deps to install...
05:11:23 <gour> marco82: does all custom reports fail on you or just some specific one?
05:14:01 <marco82> I tried with two different custom reports, the second one I just tried by copying the standard taxinvoice.scm with accompanying files, changed the label and uuid and it does not load
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05:36:21 <fell> gour, a duplicate guid?
05:37:06 <gour> fell: will check that out
05:43:42 <gour> guid seems not to be the problem
05:48:30 <chris> arahael: beats me. us schemers think all other languages are no better than Lispy languages. but the learning curve is definitely steeper which means fewer hackers and hacker tools exist
05:49:13 <arahael> chris: Not being a schema myself, I've been intrigued by it but I don't think the learning curve is steeper. I think it's a tooling issue.
05:50:09 <arahael> *schemer
05:52:47 <arahael> (So I'm curious why you think the learning curve is steeper)
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05:54:16 <gour> if GC allows me to do proper envelope-budgeting, i promise to learn enough of guile (scheme) in order to be able to tweak/customize reports...data entering, scheduled txns, reconciling...all is much quicker/easier with GC than with #plaintextaccounting apps
05:55:24 <arahael> gour: Whilst I admit I'm not a scheme person, nor have I significant experience with teh gnucash codebase, I would expect that you'd probably learn Scheme very fast. It will be the API/framework that takes up your time.
05:55:45 <gour> btw, i consider scheme regular syntax much easier to work with than to fiddle with syntactic issues in other programming languages, iow. "simplicity rules!"
05:56:05 <fell> * 10:34:30 MESSG <gnc.bin> loading user configuration
05:56:07 <fell> * 10:34:31 WARN <gnc.app-utils> ERROR: In procedure apply-smob/1:
05:56:25 <arahael> gour: Indeed.
05:58:09 <chris> gour: ok if phil's report will earn gnucash a new schemer, i think it'll be worth fixing ytd-budget.scm :)
05:59:24 <gour> chris: as i wrote...btw, which OS/distro you use?
06:00:47 <fell> https://pastebin.com/7BqKUAEG
06:01:15 <chris> gour: latest Ubuntu
06:01:22 <fell> is the patr of my tracefile where ytd fails.
06:01:24 <gour> fell: what's that?
06:06:48 <arahael> Looks like a simple stack trace, though formatted somewhat awkwardly.
06:10:03 <fell> it is part of /tmp/gnucash.trace
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07:56:33 <Hinnerk> Hi. I just migrated to GnuCash 3. from 2.6.18. I wanted to enable price online retrieval and have entered a alpha vantage ID. I verified for some securities that the data source was automatically set to alpha vantage. However, when I do start the retrieval, the PERL console does pop up (Windows 10, Strawberry PErl), eventually an error occurs
07:57:00 <Hinnerk> Nothing shows up in the perl console, only GnuCash display an error msg about an error having orruced during price download.
07:57:09 <Hinnerk> Not too usefull for further diagnosis ;)
08:01:21 <Hinnerk> Nevermind, noticed my mistake: I had serveral sources enabled...
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08:18:57 <chris> ytd update: there was missing (use-modules (gnucash gettext))
08:20:26 <chris> with this it can load
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09:09:00 <Hinnerk> Another question: When searching the journal for transactions, I get only one hit when I enter "CRAFT" as search item. However in reality, I have an account full of such transactions and am looking for any that were booked wrongly elsewhere. Only result is the latest transaction containing the word.
09:09:12 <Hinnerk> Is this intentional? How can I see the list of all transactions?
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09:21:28 <warlord> Hinnerk: from where are you starting the search?
09:21:52 <warlord> and what specifically are you searching on? Description? Account? ...
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09:38:52 <fell> Hinnerk, the journal has by default a filter for the current year or month ? active.
09:41:30 <chris> if anyone is in charge of gnucash.org/news.phtml - all of the bugzilla links link to the same bug
09:41:53 <chris> (latest post)
10:20:04 <Hinnerk> I'm searching desctiption
10:21:23 <Hinnerk> Can I change the default of using only current month in the journal search? I don't see anything in the search definition.
10:22:58 <gour> chris: thank you for your findings...it does load, indeed...although i get error when running it
10:24:52 <gour> https://pastebin.com/f0xM9V3g
10:25:15 <gour> and that's way above my guile/GC skills (for now)
10:31:50 <chris> did you also change (use-modules (gnucash main)) to (gnucash utilities) ??
10:33:14 <Hinnerk> I'm starting the search from the menu bar, Bearbeiten -> Suchen... I assume that translates to "Edit - > Search".
10:36:45 <Hinnerk> One other question, since I'm using the opportunity of the 3.0 release to revisit some issues I had years ago (when I last tried to solve them):
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10:37:22 <Hinnerk> Is it by now possible to get transactional data from credit cards via FinTS / HBCI? In my case, that is Postbank and Targobank.
10:37:43 <Hinnerk> I know this was not possible, some years back and its cause lies with the bank, not gnucash.
10:37:52 <Hinnerk> But maybe someone has new information on this?
10:41:53 <chris> gour: the third change is to change sprintf to format. I've done all required changes in my branch at https://github.com/christopherlam/gnucash/blob/master-ytd/gnucash/report/standard-reports/budget-ytd.scm - if fell is agreeable I'll do PR on this
10:42:19 <chris> gour: but this is for 3.0 btw
10:43:03 <gour> chris: my mistake. i was trying with 'gnucash utilities' in the morning, didn't work, but forgot to uncomment it now. should i use 'utilities' instead of 'main'?
10:43:22 <chris> IIRC utilities for 3.0 and main for 2.6
10:43:43 <gour> olk, for now i'm interested to make it work with 2.6 under i upgrade to fc28
10:45:06 <gour> now it works, but have to figure out what it really does
10:46:32 <fell> master is for 4.0
10:46:42 <fell> maint is for 3.1
10:47:50 <fell> If jralls agrees you should base it on maint.
10:48:49 <chris> hmm I don't think jralls has done the branch dance yet, perhaps I'll let the dust settle for now
10:49:29 <chris> gour did you make it work completely? using your own changes, or my branch? either way, I'm sure gnucash-user would appreciate the update
10:50:23 <gour> i just added (use-modules (gnucash gettext)) to make it work with 2.6.20...report does look promising ;)
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10:53:00 <fell> right, the message was about Documentation Branches
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10:56:22 <chris> gour I now expect you to be back as a full-fledged scheme hacker now ^_^
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10:57:52 <chris> gour: if you are really in love with envelope budgeting, I have an experimental branch at https://github.com/christopherlam/gnucash/tree/master-envelope-budgeting which does it by abusing the void-transaction feature... discussion in devel february https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2018-February/ onwards
10:58:19 <gour_> chris: that's for 3.0?
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10:59:14 <chris> gour_ no this was experimental and seemed to raise a lot of wanton pushback
10:59:55 <gour> chris: see section "Envelope budget" (https://github.com/simonmichael/hledger/wiki/Budgeting%20and%20forecasting) for what i need
11:00:16 <gour> chris: however, it seems i'm going to learn some scheme/guile :-)
11:00:27 <chris> \o/
11:00:36 <gour> reporting system is really powerful, although maybe not documented-enough
11:01:23 <chris> most of us have learned gnucash by pushing the envelope to meet their own requirements first
11:01:46 <gour> chris: do you recommend #guile while learning?
11:01:59 <chris> of course, they're helpful too
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11:05:38 <gour> chris: ok, will check that thread...otoh, having same features as in the above wiki post about hledger is sufficient for my needs
11:06:47 <chris> good luck, and leave an IRC message for any queries!
11:06:58 * gour nods
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11:20:40 <chris> gour: the envelope budget specified in the wiki is slightly different from gnucash's inbuilt budget - gnucash budget allows different months to have different amounts. the wiki assumes monthly amounts are static. bearing that in mind, the budgeting/actual amounts are not that difficult to calculate and display.
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11:24:02 <gour> chris: well, the main thing for me is that un/overspent amounts should carry over from month to month so one can at any time e.g. during the year/budget-period have a clear picture 'where we are' - that also helps with forecasting...of course, i also assume that some expenses are not occuring every month, but once in quarter/year or so and that should be calculated during the whole yearly budget period
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11:54:50 <LucasUpright> Morning all...just purchased a new laptop and installed GNUCASH 3.0. Trying to open my files I coped from my previous computer (which was on GNUCash 2.6.15) and it crashes. Any ideas?
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12:09:07 <gour> chris: nice one https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2018-February/041565.html ;)
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13:25:22 <LucasUpright> Morning all...just purchased a new laptop and installed GNUCASH 3.0. Trying to open my files I copied from my previous computer (which was on GNUCash 2.6.15) and it crashes. Any ideas?
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15:17:03 <jralls> fell, chris: unstable is still for 3.1. I'm waiting for gjanssens to get back before I shuffle the branches in case he has something in unstable waiting to be pushed.
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15:23:27 <jralls> arahael: GnuCash on MacOS is still using webkit1. With webkit2 the javascript for graphs wanders off and never gets rendered.
15:32:07 <jralls> chris: Did you see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795064?
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15:37:24 <LucasUpright> So I uninstalled 3.0 and installed 2.6.15 and was able to open my file on new computer...is there a process I need to go through so can use 3.0?
15:40:13 <jralls> LucasUpright: Is it an XML file? On what Operating system?
15:42:38 <LucasUpright> What is an xml file? I am using the <filename>.gnucash files.
15:44:04 <jralls> LucasUpright: It's the default, the alternative being SQLite3. For SQLite3 you must specify that when you first save the file.
15:44:38 <jralls> LucasUpright: So what OS? At what point does GnuCash crash?
15:47:52 <LucasUpright> Windows 10 Home, 3.0 crashes as soon as I try to open my file. If I launch it with a new file it is fine. 2.6.15 runs without issue.
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15:50:20 <jralls> This may be https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=782144.
15:53:43 <LucasUpright> hmm, not quite, I can open the file in 2.6.15 on the same computer,,,when trying to open the same file with 3.0 I get this in the eventvwr: Faulting application name: gnucash.exe, version: 0.0.0.0, time stamp: 0x5ac192a2
15:53:43 <LucasUpright> Faulting module name: msvcrt.dll, version: 7.0.16299.125, time stamp: 0x692918b7
15:53:43 <LucasUpright> Exception code: 0xc0000005
15:53:43 <LucasUpright> Fault offset: 0x00088514
15:53:43 <LucasUpright> Faulting process id: 0x34d4
15:53:43 <LucasUpright> Faulting application start time: 0x01d3cf52eb192c28
15:53:43 <LucasUpright> Faulting application path: C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\gnucash.exe
15:53:45 <LucasUpright> Faulting module path: C:\Windows\System32\msvcrt.dll
15:53:46 <LucasUpright> Report Id: 53f07d67-9ac0-408d-84ca-d8c4834478e1
15:53:47 <LucasUpright> Faulting package full name:
15:53:48 <LucasUpright> Faulting package-relative application ID:
15:55:38 <jralls> I don't see how that rules out 782144.
16:00:10 <jralls> LucasUpright: Note that several users have reported similar problems, but only GTI has done extensive troubleshooting.
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16:39:37 <jralls> LucasUpright: Just had a bit of a breakthrough on that bug: The user has a posted date of 2 January 206 in a transaction. So use Find from the Accounts page to search all accounts for transactions with dates before 1 January 1400 (or maybe the earliest reasonable date in your book) and fix anything it finds.
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20:17:03 <arahael> jralls: Ah! Will give webkit1 a go, can I use the binaries? Webkit seems a bit harder to compile than gnucash itself.
20:17:43 <jralls> arahael: Yes, as long as they come with headers.
20:17:56 <arahael> jralls: That they do. How do I point cmake to them?
20:19:18 <jralls> Put them where CMake can find them? CMAKE_INCLUDE_PATH and CMAKE_LIBRARY_PATH might be helpful if you're not going to put them with the rest of the dependencies.
20:20:55 <arahael> I'll play with those. What do you mean, by "the rest of the dependencies"?
20:21:13 <arahael> I mean, is there a conventional location for them, other than the linuxy /usr/local/include?
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20:25:09 <jralls> Well, /usr/local is as old as Unix, predating Linux by 20 years, and it requires root to write to unless you chmod it.
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20:28:40 <jralls> Also cmake does goofy things with prefixes starting with /uer or /opt so they're probably best avoided. I use ~/Development/Gnucash-build/Gnucash-* where * is the branch or release and mac-os-x-version-min. Under that is src, build, and inst with the obvious uses.
20:29:52 <arahael> That's cool. I'll give those a go the next chance I get. :)
20:29:57 <jralls> So I can just set CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH=$HOME/Development/Gnucash-build/Gnucash-master-10.13/inst and be done with it...
20:30:01 <arahael> Those CMake include and library paths.
20:30:03 <arahael> Sweet.
20:30:20 <arahael> I'm at work when you're online, so it will have to wait. :)
20:30:42 <jralls> But aren't you using Homebrew for most of the dependencies?
20:30:55 <arahael> Yeah, but they're already installe.d ;)
20:31:37 <jralls> Why not just put the webkit stuff in /usr/local/brew?
20:32:02 <arahael> I don't want to confuse brew doctor.
20:33:07 <arahael> I have some oddities, I'm sure. :)
20:37:05 <jralls> Don't we all... ;-)
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20:38:56 <arahael> Heh, indeed. :)
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21:19:48 <luc14n0> Hey there! What is the real boost version required for the 3.0? I ask because the README.dependencies says 1.50.0 but cmake checks for 1.54.0.
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21:53:13 <arahael> 1.54 is probably more or less compatible anyway.
21:53:24 <arahael> And it's old.
21:53:45 <arahael> (Boost is up to 1.66 now)
22:18:51 <luc14n0> Yeah, that's my thought too.
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