2018-03-30 GnuCash IRC logs
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02:57:22 <gjanssens> chris: spreadsheets are fine with $2.00 as well. The issue is the hyperlinks.
02:58:18 <gjanssens> I would suggest to introduce a general option to all reports "Use hyperlinks" (default to true)
02:58:37 <gjanssens> to control this behaviour
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03:06:19 <gjanssens> The balance sheet and and account summary already have such an option.
03:09:17 <chris> gjanssens - $2.00 is fine but other currencies are not parsed as numbers, eg. ₹100.00 ₨2,000.00 are parsed as strings by spreadsheets.
03:10:01 <chris> if i create spreadsheet in libreoffice containing currencies it encodes the values in sdval and format id sdnum - it's a defacto standard in libreoffice and excel seems understand.
03:11:01 <chris> in any case there's already a global option in all reports to "Use Hyperlinks" but it's hidden away in global reports stylesheet, and the stylesheet has option "Use hyperlinks"
03:11:39 <gjanssens> Ah. And do all reports actually adhere to it ?
03:11:51 <chris> yes
03:12:07 <gjanssens> If so, it's more a matter of defining an "Export" stylesheet.
03:12:29 <chris> I suppose so
03:12:29 <gjanssens> You can experiment with the sdval part as well for improved results.
03:12:48 <gjanssens> How do browsers react to the sdval attribute ? Do they ignore it ?
03:13:05 <chris> yes, ignored
03:13:37 <gjanssens> Ok so that would be fine
03:14:19 <chris> perhaps I'll do a PR for experimentation in next couple of days
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07:31:16 <FrenchWolfie> Hello, I'd like to know how to have my global preferences saved on W10. Permission is consistently deniedme (cannot save global preferences) after I have imported a QIF file
07:31:16 <gncbot> FrenchWolfie: Sent 4 days, 19 hours, and 37 minutes ago: <jralls> Yeah, you're in the right place, but you have to hang around long enough for someone to notice your question. GnuCash preferences are saved in the Windows Registry, but I don't know offhand whether it's in HKCU or HKLM.
07:32:42 <FrenchWolfie> @gncbot thank you! How can I make gnucash or W10 accept to save them ?
07:32:42 <gncbot> FrenchWolfie: Error: "gncbot" is not a valid command.
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11:47:24 <jralls> chris, gjanssens, I'm a bit late to the party but another way of attacking the problem is by handling the webkitwebview's selection-get signal so that it retrieves only the element text.
11:53:45 <gjanssens> jralls: which is quite nice...
11:55:34 <jralls> gjanssens: New subject, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=794730. Having fixed the crash, we now need to answer François's issue about posting a multi-currency invoice.
12:07:38 <jralls> Hmm, the sample file he provided has invoice 2 already posted and the transaction looks good with both splits... but both accounts are in GBP.
12:11:47 <jralls> Hmm again, no, that's invoice 1. Something's weird...
12:13:49 <jralls> This would seem to be a separate problem: Invoice 2 isn't posted, but if I try to post it from the Find Invoice dialog it pops up an messagebox saying that it's already posted. But if I edit it the post button works.
12:22:11 <jralls> But the transaction doesn't post after entering the exchange rate. Oh, and another bug, the transfer dialog is having F::Q get exchange rates between the two currencies involved and my default currency but not between each other.
12:24:39 <gjanssens> Well bugs are breeding fast these days...
12:24:57 <gjanssens> I think I have a solution ready for the kvp issue
12:25:34 <gjanssens> But while testing it I found the business counter options are not properly read from kvp when opening File->Properties
12:27:00 <gjanssens> Also test-dbi.xml doesn't set GNC_FEATURE_GUID_FLAT_BAYESIAN even though it's bayesian data is flat
12:27:26 <jralls> Bugs always breed fast at this point in the release cycle. We don't get serious testing until we say it's a release candidate.
12:27:55 <jralls> Ah, good catch. I just pasted in some keys without setting the feature.
12:28:12 <gjanssens> This may be due to it being a prepared book on which no conversion is run nor new bayes are set
12:28:25 <jralls> Does setting the feature break the test?
12:28:58 <gjanssens> I'll try in a minute
12:29:16 <gjanssens> BTW I'll have a meeting in half an hour
12:29:24 <jralls> OK.
12:36:46 <gjanssens> :q
12:44:58 <gjanssens> jralls: the test works fine if I add the feature slot
12:45:03 <gjanssens> Do you want me to push that as well ?
12:45:57 <jralls> Rats. I was hoping it would fail, so it would serve as a test for the feature problem you found yesterday.
12:46:37 <jralls> But yeah, you may as well push it.
12:47:13 <jralls> The failure yesterday was with a SQL DB created in 2.6, right?
12:49:29 <gjanssens> Oh, I think we're mixing up things here
12:49:48 <jralls> We, or me?
12:49:51 <gjanssens> I tested with one of my own sql db's created with 2.6
12:50:22 <gjanssens> I tested the test-dbi.xml file with the feature flag added only with my unstable build (which is supposed to work)
12:50:33 <gjanssens> I never ran it on 2.6
12:50:37 <gjanssens> Let me check that
12:51:51 <gjanssens> Well, I can open it on 2.6.20 (it should as that's capable of readling flat kvp bayes), but it will fail on 2.6.18 (system installed)
12:52:08 <gjanssens> 2.6.20 = my current maint build
12:52:23 <jralls> Yeah, figured that. That's all as it should be.
12:52:57 <gjanssens> Oh and now I should test it with my fix *not* included to see if it works ?
12:53:22 <jralls> No, I think that's guaranteed to explode.
12:53:45 <gjanssens> So that would be a good regression test :)
12:54:05 <gjanssens> But I'm not even sure it would explode
12:54:27 <gjanssens> The xml parser never had issues with it, and as far as I understand the test it tries to save the xml file as sqlite
12:54:56 <gjanssens> That may write it in a way it would be able to read it, but still not correct.
12:55:06 <gjanssens> It's quickly tested...
12:56:25 <jralls> Well, OK, but I think it's a distraction. The problem that got you started on this was that unstable wouldn't read a database created in maint because the feature slot wasn't the way unstable expected, right?
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12:57:35 <gjanssens> yes
12:59:50 <gjanssens> Ok, as I figured the test continues to succeed. So it's not a useful regression test
12:59:59 <gjanssens> But that's not too important now
13:00:22 <jralls> The xml->SQL test won't pick that up because the db is created in the current version. We need to have a 2.6 db to test against to ensure that we don't break backward compatibility.
13:00:44 <gjanssens> Indeed
13:01:16 <gjanssens> My time for today is up. I'll push what I have so other work can continue on top of it.
13:01:28 <Robert> Hi, I am looking for changelogs for recent releases and I am not finding them. I got started with this because I currently have release 2.6.18 installed in Windows 7 and the help buttons are not working today. I thought they worked a few weeks ago. i want to know what changes would appear if I migrate to release 2.6.19
13:01:31 <gjanssens> It's ready, except maybe additional unit tests
13:01:42 <jralls> OK. Will you be available tomorrow?
13:02:06 <gjanssens> Until about 6pm CEST
13:02:17 <gjanssens> And then I'll be away for another week...
13:02:55 <jralls> Oh, you're still on standard. So 10:00 PDT. OK.
13:03:24 <gjanssens> Standard ?
13:03:48 <jralls> Standard time, sorry. We went to DST last weekend.
13:04:01 <gjanssens> Is CEST not meaning with DST?
13:04:11 <gjanssens> (vs CET as winter time)
13:04:23 <gjanssens> We're on DST since last weekend as well
13:04:53 <gjanssens> https://www.timeanddate.com/time/zones/cest
13:05:42 <Robert> Timekeeping is too complicated for my poor brain
13:05:48 <jralls> Hah! US TZs use "S" in the middle for "Standard" and "D" for daylight, so e.g. PST in the winter and PDT in the summer.
13:06:17 <gjanssens> Yay for universal standards...
13:07:21 <Robert> I just burn the candle at both ends....
13:08:35 <jralls> So you'll be around only till 0900 my time.
13:08:39 <gjanssens> Robert: I don't think anything has changed wrt to the help buttons
13:08:44 <gjanssens> Indeed
13:09:27 <gjanssens> Btw another bug, but not a new one: we can't 'save as' over an existing db (xml works fine)
13:09:45 <gjanssens> I *thought* I had seen a report for that a while back
13:09:59 <jralls> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789594
13:10:56 <gjanssens> Yep, that's the one. Just rediscovered it today while playing with the feature tests
13:11:01 <jralls> It's marked as 2.7 but it's always been that way.
13:11:10 <gjanssens> Oh is it?
13:11:18 <gjanssens> Ok so not a regression.
13:11:29 <gjanssens> Let's ignore it for now :)
13:11:45 <Robert> Neither did I but if I need to re-install GuCash to fix the broken help button, I want to decide whether to migrate to 2.6.19. I thought there was a reason that I was hesitating
13:12:17 <jralls> I think so. It shouldn't be that hard to fix but I think that there's more important problems.
13:12:29 <gjanssens> Robert: ok. The overview of changes can be found on the news page on the gnucash home page
13:12:46 <gjanssens> You may have to scroll down a bit or even go to older news at the bottom
13:12:57 <gjanssens> The 2.7.x releases have pushed it down
13:13:10 <jralls> Robert: What's the big deal? If 2.6.19 doesn't work for you you can just reinstall an earlier version over it.
13:16:28 <Robert> I am lazy, i guess. Also puzzled why help isnt working and wondering if the last Windows update that I accepted yesterday broke it
13:16:53 <jralls> Could be, especially if it was working the day before.
13:17:37 <Robert> I found the announcement, thanks
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13:26:31 <jralls> gjanssens: Since you're still here, a question about gncInvoiceIsPosted.
13:27:11 <gjanssens> Ok
13:28:48 <jralls> It checks gncInvoiceDateExists. The example file that François provided for 794840 has a posted date of 1-1-1970. Did you change the logic in unstable?
13:31:45 <gjanssens> I don't remember.
13:32:01 <gjanssens> By the way, you may want to retest with my kvp fix in place
13:32:12 <jralls> Blame does, and it's my fault.
13:32:38 <gjanssens> The business features also use hierarchical kvp slots, which may interfere
13:35:59 <jralls> Invoice date posted isn't a slot and anyway it's an XML file. What I changed was using INT64_MAX to mean no date instead of 0. We have a lot of code that uses time64=0 to mean "not set".
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13:38:44 <gjanssens> Hmm, indeed :(
13:43:08 <jralls> So I'll fix gncInvoiceDateExists to return false for both 0 and INT64_MAX for now.
13:44:39 <gjanssens> Ok
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13:59:09 <jralls> gjanssens_afk: dialog-invoice uses gncInvoiceGetPostedAcc() != null instead. I like that better than relying on the date being a particular value, so I'm switching gncInvoiceIsPosted to use that instead of gncInvoiceDateExists.
14:03:47 <gjanssens_afk> Even better. I think chris did something similar in his report work
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14:45:28 <Robert> Hi, I'm back. Installing release 2.6.19 into Windows 7 did not fix the help button. Do you have any suggestions on what else to try? Should I really back out the last Windows upgrade? I thought I had my tongue in cheek when I suggested that may be the problem
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14:46:40 <jralls> Robert: Well, you could start with explaining what's broken with which help button...
14:50:10 <Robert> now I lost Gnucash. When I click on the help button at the top of the window, or press F1, nothing happens. Earlier I was in anothr window with a help button and that didnt work either
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14:50:58 <jralls> Are both windows GnuCash windows?
14:51:05 <Robert> yes
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14:51:43 <Robert> now I remember. I was messing around with searches
14:52:12 <Robert> wondering how to modify an exisiting search
14:53:12 <jralls> Does help work from other applications?
14:54:09 <Robert> Pidgin help button brought up online help
14:55:19 <jralls> You mean the standard windows help browser?
14:58:28 <Robert> I can use help in Pidgin and Libre office to tget to help > about. I think i could get to the initial help chooser frrom the button but when I try to choose whether I want the tutorial or the regular help nothing happens. Still waiting for Gnucash to re-appear
14:59:37 <Robert> OK, help about works
14:59:59 <Robert> but no tutorial or contents
15:00:47 <jralls> Help About is usually not the Windows Help Browser, it's usually just a dialog box. Can you get the Windows Help Browser from Pidgin or LibreOffice? What about regular Windows applications?
15:01:51 <jralls> I just tried GnuCash 2.7.7 on Windows 10 and it displayed the help browser when I selected Help>Contents.
15:02:12 <Robert> F1 does nothing in Gnucash in Pidgin F1 gets online help
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15:03:12 <Robert> back to Gnucash, Help > Contents does nothing
15:03:32 <jralls> What does "online help" mean in this case?
15:04:18 <Robert> Pidgin brings up their online help in Firefox, my default browser
15:05:40 <Robert> for LibreOffice Calc, I think F1 brings up a local help file
15:05:58 <Robert> at least it is not Firefox
15:07:13 <Robert> the help button in the find dialog also does nothing
15:09:43 <Robert> I lost the command line modifier that I had in place for my crash investigation and I probably also lost price retrieval, but I haven't checked yet
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15:13:00 <jralls> It's possible that Microsoft has deleted their old help browser. It may be on my VMs only because I have Html Help Workshop installed for building GnuCash. That seems to me to be the most likely reason that the help menu items aren't working.
15:13:54 <jralls> You could look in the tracefile to see if there are any errors logged there--though it's unlikely that any would be, it's more likely a windows-level error. The other place to look is the Event Viewer.
15:22:04 <Robert> The event viewer shows that the windows installer reconfigured a whole bunch of products including Strawberry Perl, but not GnuCash about 2 hours ago
15:26:27 <jralls> It wouldn't know anything about GnuCash. What you're looking for is an error about trying to launch a program that isn't available.
15:28:14 <Robert> that would be in the application log, would it not?
15:28:26 <Robert> no errors there
15:28:52 <jralls> The subprogram's name is "HelpViewer.exe", at least on Win10.
15:29:17 <jralls> Found thanks to Task Manager.
15:30:11 <Robert> Since installing 2.6.19 the only things in the Gnucash trace are WARN <gnc.report.core> Report specified id of 3 is already is use. Using generated id.
15:30:28 <Robert> plus 3 more
15:32:33 <jralls> Yeah, no surprise that there's nothing in gnucash.trace. Launching the help window isn't going to be visible to the GLib logger, it's a windows thing.
15:33:37 <jralls> On Win7 the help browser doesn't show as a separate process in Task Manager.
15:33:48 <Robert> In the old days help files had chtml or similar suffices, does Gnucash still use those?
15:34:51 <jralls> Yeah, call "chm" and built with Html Help Workshop. We should probably drop it and just display the regular html in a webkitwebview like we do reports.
15:37:08 <Robert> I thought that the in program launching of Tutorial or contents used to work a few weeks ago. I don't recall when I last tried, tho
15:38:29 <Robert> I am now trying to get into my Debian instance on another computer to see what happens there
15:38:40 <jralls> And it still works for me in both Win10 and Win7.
15:40:50 <Robert> putty cannot find that computer
15:42:12 <Robert> My Ubuntu 16.04 computer install of Gnucash 2.6.17 can open contents
15:42:31 <jralls> No surprise...
15:43:02 <Robert> glad that works...
15:45:18 <Robert> I remember several years ago having an issue opening chm files but I thought that was an XP problem for a while
15:45:55 <Robert> then I had no more problems until now
15:47:46 <jralls> Well, the traditional fix for weird windows problems is to wipe the disk with 0's a few times and then reinstall everything from scratch. But you'd probably prefer not to do that.
15:48:35 <Robert> that Debian computer was running before I installed the windows update but now it seems to be hiding
15:50:14 <Robert> its is still running. I guess I need to check putty steeings
15:50:20 <Robert> settings
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15:52:05 <Robert> the IP address changed
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15:57:30 <Robert> Maybe another reboot of this computer is needed.
15:59:05 <Robert> The Debian computer is running 2.6.11 and it also finds the help files
15:59:53 <Robert> So I will try rebooting to see if that helps.
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16:31:23 <Robert847> I am back and I changed my login name I hope that helps... When I prepared to reboot GnuCash 2.6.19 crashed as it was closing but the --log gnc.html=debug was not in the command line. Now it takes a while to get my other ducks in a row
16:36:20 <Robert847> I did have release 2.7.3 running for a while on this Windows 7 machine for testing but I reverted to 2.6.18.3 until today. The crashing in 2.6.18 started after abandoning 2.7.3. I am still planning to test 2.7.8 but I wanted to do a few otheer things first
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16:38:44 <jralls> Robert847: Dunno how changing your login name makes a difference unless you change it to some variant of the name we know you by everywhere else.
16:39:35 <Robert847> I thought it was too similar to Robert F
16:40:30 <Robert847> My Since Last Run screen has appeared...
16:41:57 <jralls> Anyway, re 2.7.3's entrails causing 2.6.18 to crash, it's either because a gnc_dot_dir file or registry setting got changed in a way 2.6.18 doesn't like or something about the data file did. Have you tried running on a backup from before the 2.7.3 experiment?
16:42:06 <Robert847> It did get rid of the nick server warning...
16:43:10 <jralls> ah, only you'd see the NickServ warning. There's probably another Robert on one of the other channels.
16:43:17 <Robert847> As for data, I made a special test copy of my data file for 2.7.3 tessting
16:43:44 <jralls> If Bob Fewell is here he's never revealed himself.
16:44:27 <jralls> That was wise. So maybe try making a new user and testing GnuCash as that user.
16:45:39 <jralls> That will give you a clean gnc_dot_dir and HKCU.
16:48:03 <Robert847> Hmm... Now when I click Help > Tutorial I get the help window with the tutorial title ut then an error Unable to download Unable to to open this internet site. and more..
16:49:31 <Robert847> Then clicking on contents brings up an error There is not enough memory available for this task. Quit one or more programs + more
16:50:06 <jralls> Are guide.chm and help.chm in c:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\share\gnucash\help\C?
16:50:26 <Robert847> I shall look
16:50:33 <jralls> Uh-oh. That sounds like a hardware problem.
16:52:13 <Robert847> they are there with 12-17-2017 dates
16:54:10 <Robert847> Task manager still reports 6 Gig of RAM 25 % used
16:56:30 <Robert847> closing the not enough memory box killed Gnucash
16:58:15 <Robert847> If I create another user on this computer I do not want to migrate everything to that user
16:59:47 <jralls> No, just run GnuCash once to see if it crashes on you. If it works OK there then there's something wrong with the regular account. If it does then the problem is somewhere else.
17:02:27 <chris> jralls I'd vote to get rid of gncInvoiceDateExists (only used in 3 reports) and remove from SWIG --> convert reports to use gncInvoiceIsPosted instead
17:02:52 <jralls> chris: OK.
17:06:51 <Robert847> Microsoft has a lenghthy instruction to create a new user...
17:07:52 <jralls> Good grief. It's just settings->users add user. 30 seconds.
17:08:25 <jralls> Except I think it's control panel instead of settings on Win7.
17:08:42 <Robert847> Oh, I had to scroll down past the On a Domain section
17:12:34 <jralls> You have a domain set up? I've never bothered with that.
17:13:20 <jralls> chris: Is PR322 finished?
17:14:40 <chris> #322 can be merged, yes
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17:17:30 <Robert847> no, i just failed to scroll far enough down in microsoft help. I made a new user, found GnuCash there already and thepl works as expected for that user
17:19:05 <Robert847> so can I fix gnc_dot_dir and HKCU?
17:20:40 <jralls> Should be able to. You can switch back to your regular user and delete the spare. Next move gnc_dot_dir out of the way and start GnuCash; it will create a new gnc_dot_dir. If everything works now then you can decide if there's anything in the old one worth saving.
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17:29:18 <Robert847> where is gnc_dot_dir?
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18:45:45 <jralls> Robert847: Should be in <user>/AppData/Local/.gnucash.
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18:54:44 <Robert847> I dont see any dot named things there. there is a gnucas under /roaming
18:57:27 <Robert847> there is some gnc stuff in the accelerator-map
18:59:16 <Robert847> I do have show hidden files set in explorer. Do I need to log in as administrator or do some other fancy footwork?
19:02:58 <Robert847> I do see a .purple folder under roaming, so I see some folders with such names
19:06:20 <Robert847> Explorer uses triangle symbols instead of slashes or backslashes so I can be even more confused
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23:23:51 <chris> TR: With regards to hyperlinks in html when imported by LibreOffice. I think I'll augment the "General / Table for Export" option to also disable hyperlinks. Perhaps it should eventually be renamed "Format for Export". will illustrate in an upcoming PR.