2018-03-27 GnuCash IRC logs
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01:45:02 <ngong_> so many namespaces in gnucash xml. Is there some documentation about it or schema?
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02:36:38 <gjanssens> .
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08:03:58 <warlord> ngong_: Every first-class object has its own namespace. There is no normative schema because the parsers and generators are all hand-written. There are some informational schemas somewhere.
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09:04:16 <sully> hi, does anyone know how to remove the Currency Symbols from Amount while exporting account reports or to export without the currency symbols
09:11:29 <ngong_> warlord: thank you, I will create some schemas for my purposes. It's easy, once I understand the stored informantion. And because its my information it should not be difficult.
09:12:32 <warlord> ngong_: Like I said, there are some schemas out there already, but they are not normative.
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09:16:10 <ngong_> warlord: they are not on git. do you know where to look?
09:17:22 <warlord> See https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GnuCash_XML_format
09:18:00 <warlord> There used to be a gnucash-v2.rnc file in git, but looks like it was removed.
09:21:32 <warlord> ngong_: FYI, look in gnucash git under libgnucash/doc/xml/gnucash-v2.rnc
09:21:41 <warlord> It just moved when it was restructured.
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09:33:10 <chris> devs: a last TR commit would be useful - the Display/Price column retrieves Commodity Price from API which returns an exact num/denom rational and deserves to be converted to decimal in the appropriate SCU
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09:51:34 <chris> welcome back gjanssens!
09:56:26 <gjanssens> Tx chris
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10:05:52 <gjanssens> p
10:06:13 <gjanssens> Oops that got to the wrong window...
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10:28:54 <chris> #322 will also effect https://imgur.com/a/kBJi8, don't suppose we need to do another PR...?
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11:23:55 <jralls> chris: I suppose the bit on the left replaces that on the right? That would make a lot of users happy.
11:24:07 <chris> ofc
11:24:19 <jralls> ?
11:24:22 <chris> of course :)
11:24:34 <jralls> gjanssens: Welcome home! How was the trip?
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11:35:53 <jralls> chris: One PR is OK as long as the commits are separated, which they are.
11:42:50 <chris> ok i will change last commit which used flawed logic for choosing scu; i was wrongly applying commodity SCU to price; i must change to currency SCU instead. i'll multiply SCU by 100 to offer higher precision price display.
11:44:32 <jralls> How about using the account value instead of the commodity value? That lets the user override the precision.
11:45:10 <jralls> Er, by "value" I mean the value of SCU...
11:45:59 <chris> hmm this will not work; account's scu means the account commodity scu; e.g. if account tracks BTC it's likely to have high SCU like 10^6. what i must retrieve is the currency scu e.g. 100 for USD, but increase precision by * 100
11:46:11 <chris> latest commit illustrates
11:48:56 <jralls> Sorry, what I mean is the account's priv->non_standard_scu for the currency account. But that really doesn't work either because a user isn't likely to set it for a normal cash account.
11:49:30 <gjanssens> jralls: I enjoyed every bit of it :)
11:49:44 <jralls> gjanssens: Excellent!
11:49:47 <gjanssens> Still a bit jetlagged and trying to catch up.
11:50:59 <jralls> I sympathize. The price of modern travel...
11:53:31 <jralls> chris: scu * 100 works for most cases, but a) some users might use BTC as the currency and I don't think we'd want 10^-11 prices, so maybe do the *100 only if SCU is smaller than some number?
11:54:09 <chris> hmm ok I recall portfolio hardcoded some scu around 10000 somewhere
11:54:54 <jralls> Those hardcodes need to come out.
11:55:19 <jralls> I took them out of the C code but didn't go looking in the reports.
11:55:43 <chris> ok I'll try- (if scu < 10000 then multiply it 100)
11:56:06 <jralls> That seems a reasonable level.
11:57:14 <jralls> Be wary of GNC_HOW_ROUND_SIGFIGS: It really means significant figures, not significant figures of the decimal fraction. Totally the wrong thing to do.
11:57:59 <chris> i use GNC-HOW-RND-ROUND?
11:58:55 <jralls> I don't know, haven't looked, but I was more worried about how mta might have set that 10000 hardcode.
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12:02:33 <chris> ok midnight here, nice to chat both devs
12:02:48 <jralls> G'night, chris.
12:05:35 <gjanssens> Good night chris
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14:23:03 <jralls> gjanssens: Please take a look at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791825. Do you think the "quick solution" would blow anything up?
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14:27:58 <gjanssens> jralls: hard to tell. gnc_date_edit_get_date is used in quite a lot of places and the variables that get set by it in even more :(
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14:28:36 <gjanssens> I think though the worst thing that can happen is shifting the off-by-one error to other parts
14:29:33 <gjanssens> I agree it's better to get one consistent date handling mechanism with predictable dates, so using _neutral in most situations would be a good step in that direction.
14:30:21 <jralls> That would happen if there are already adjustments for time shifts (TZ or DST) splattered around. I kind of doubt it, but I also don't want to start in the accounting period.
14:30:24 <gjanssens> Only where date ranges are involved, we'd have to convert to _day_start and _day_end and only there
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14:33:30 <gjanssens> And even there, if *all* our dates have the correct 10:59 time, we could use <= and >= for inclusive dates in periods and day start and day end would no longer be relevant
14:34:14 <gjanssens> Do we actively correct time stamps when loading old user data ?
14:34:23 <jralls> There's a thought. I like that better than munging.
14:34:50 <jralls> We correct posted_date in a scrub. That could easily be expanded.
14:36:01 <gjanssens> Good, though probably only after 3.0
14:36:21 <jralls> Yes, after 3.0. It's a big change.
14:38:20 <jralls> For long term we should decide whether it would be better to change some fields that are currently date-time to just date.
14:38:30 <jralls> But we don't have to do that today.
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14:50:31 <gjanssens> Your uservoice poll on that subject didn't attract much votes, though it's slightly in favor of removing (almost) all time information.
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15:14:00 <fell> chris, 6 *significant* decimals are common in online quotes, e.g. http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=IDR&To=EUR
15:17:00 <fell> while the reverse has only 2 :-(, but still has totally 7 significant digits
15:20:20 <fell> IIRC the 1/"10000" are the default for commodities.
15:20:32 <fell> in gnucash
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16:26:57 <jralls> fell: You get 7 significant digits going the other way. ;-)
16:28:10 <fell> Yeah, there are usually 6-7 significant digits.
16:34:38 <jralls> But SCU doesn't really apply: You can't put €.0000586477 in your bank account. It's a ratio that's useful when converting millions of Ringgit.
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18:36:13 <fell> after I ran 'git pull https://github.com/DiMan/Gnucash unstable-transfer-0{1|2}' they did not appear on separate branches (DiMans "mistake") and github shows me only as committer of one. Should I have pushed them separate?
18:43:23 <jralls> fell: git-pull pulls the specified remote branch into the currently checked out one. It doesn't create any branches.
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18:44:57 <fell> So I should have created branches "PRxxx" or "Update LL.po"?
18:46:53 <jralls> Depends on what you were looking for. You didn't break anything with what you did. If you just wanted to force a merge commit for the first one then `git pull --no-ff` would have worked.
18:47:59 <jralls> If you wanted to be conservative and have a separate branch to pull into, then yes, you need to create it and check it out (`git checkout -b PRXXX` will do that in one command) before doing the pull.
18:52:26 <jralls> @tell gjanssens I think that the issue with the gtk settings.ini on Win32 is that we're setting XDG_CONFIG_HOME only on Mac so gtk doesn't find it.
18:52:26 <gncbot> jralls: The operation succeeded.
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23:44:53 <arahael> I like how gnucash has it's UI specified in XML files. Neat. :)