2018-02-20 GnuCash IRC logs
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05:36:46 <arahael> Awesome, I should give those a read.
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06:16:26 <arahael> I'm confused as to the Loan Repayment Calculator; all things equal, why is it more expensive per month to pay biweekly rather than monthly, given a loan compounded monthly?
06:17:31 <arahael> I would expect that if I'm paying fortnightly (biweekly), I would be paying less than half the amount I otherwise would pay montly.
06:25:02 <chris> I think there was a report as such in userlist
06:25:06 <chris> likely bug
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06:39:34 <arahael> Ah, thanks.
06:39:39 <arahael> To answer your question: I'm in Sydney.
06:40:25 <arahael> Currently trying to balance my books again, and then bed. The bank and my "cleared" account differs by exactly $100. :(
06:42:52 <arahael> It's a bit of a PITA how the bank's transations aren't on the same date that I actually make the payment.
06:44:42 <chris> I'd usually do this by periodic reconciliation... bring out statement dated 1/9/17, use reconcile tool... go through line by line, tick amount... finish... reconcile 1/12/17... etc
06:52:03 <arahael> Yep, I'm noticing that I got a few +- things mixed up.
06:52:22 <arahael> (Effectively)
06:52:28 <arahael> I'm using the "cleared" check to help.
06:55:36 <arahael> Hmm, "cleared" doesn't seem to reflect the balance of the account I'm in.
06:58:35 <arahael> Perhaps I'll try it using the 'Reconcile' feature tomorrow.
06:58:46 <arahael> Against the electronic transaction list online.
06:59:25 <arahael> A bit awkward as I /like/ seeing the amount in the bank account *exactly* equal what I have in gnucash.
06:59:28 <arahael> G'night. :)
07:00:56 <chris> night!
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07:14:26 <warlord> arahael: the loan repayment system does not really handle payments that do not coincide with accruals.
07:15:35 <warlord> This is the case both with overpaying your principal, as well as changing your payment period to biweekly (without changing your accrual)
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11:19:59 <warlord> jralls_afk: FYI, fin.scm (and string.scm) were both loaded via load-from-path in main.scm --- but they were loaded without the '.scm' -- which is why a simple 'find' didn't show them.
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11:34:19 <srdc> Is there a way to have standard "line items" for entry on invoices?
11:40:24 <warlord> srdc: what do you mean by that?
11:43:02 <srdc> Particularly on invoices - is there a way to have 'standard' line items that can be selected, or autofill, or something like that, so that they don't have to be (a) remembered, or (b) copied from another document.
11:43:26 <srdc> Or some creative workaround to approximate that functionality?
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11:50:34 <warlord> srdc: There is no inventory system, if that's what you're asking.
11:50:57 <warlord> The invoice system does do some amount of autofill, but I believe it's only within an invoice, not across invoices.
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11:59:08 <jralls> warlord: I knew that. The problem with loading them that way in main was that it gave no indication that it was used anywhere, and grepping for the fin.scm functions, e.g. gnc:ipmt, found nothing because the mechanism in gnc-exp-parser.c composed the name from parsed input.
12:00:02 <jralls> warlord: So I fixed it with https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/commit/720acddff279dc3c6212f74185156a461b3ce0f2, which should make it a bit easier to understand.
12:00:14 <warlord> jralls: ah. Yes, it does that. the parser will actually allow you to call *any* scheme function of the form gnc:xxx
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12:08:40 <jralls> warlord: Right. I'm not sure if that's a bug or a feature. Possibly a bug because there might be a gnc:foo that's harmful in the context of a credit/debit formula.
12:10:03 <jralls> gjanssens, fell: I noticed late yesterday that check-po.cmake fails in a ninja build because it needs one of Makefile, configure.ac, or configure.in in po's parent directory.
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12:14:05 <jralls> It does understand a CMake-emitted Makefile, so it does sort-of work in an in-source make build, though it complains about all of the copied glade and scheme files in share.
12:18:30 <jralls> We can either switch to modern gettext or hack intltool-update to read CMakeLists.txt. I'd suggest the former even though it's not supported on all of the platforms we target for 3.0 on the grounds that it's really a tool for developers and we all use more modern build environments.
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12:25:04 <srdc> @warlord Would there be a (reasonably) straightforward way to reference a spreadsheet or database table of standard line items - in essence a (very limited) inventory of sorts?
12:25:04 <gncbot> srdc: Error: "warlord" is not a valid command.
12:25:20 <srdc> warlord: Would there be a (reasonably) straightforward way to reference a spreadsheet or database table of standard line items - in essence a (very limited) inventory of sorts?
12:25:58 <warlord> No
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12:31:29 <jotrago> srdc - What GC DOES do is search all previous invoices for the same customer and "Fills" the line item with anything it recognises. Much like Email Apps populate addresses as you type. So the longer you use GC the better it gets at "remembering" your items. After using GC for several years now I rarely have to type more than the first 3 - 5 characters in the Description for GC to find the right item.
12:36:46 <gjanssens> jralls: I also think dropping intltool now is the best option
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12:38:31 <jotrago> Perhaps if you made a "dummy" invoice with your line items that would "Seed" the auto fill. In my experience the autofill definitely works across multiple invoices for the same customer, not sure about across customers. Quick Test It works across customers too. Eg If Invoice Item XYZ description ABC to Customer 1, and then try to invoice Item XYZ to customer 2 the item autofills
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12:39:43 <fell> jralls: Do we have support for all required formats?
12:40:38 <fell> Once I wrote https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation#Background to check all conditions.
12:41:20 <fell> But then has always something else been more urgent.
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12:43:31 <srdc> OK. That should work pretty well then. It works great for my billing, but I was trying to get my brother on it, and he has fairly standard items, but doesn't want to type them every time. That should make him happy.
12:43:34 <srdc> Thanks for the help!
12:43:37 <jralls> fell: Looks like that was written before CMake. I don't see the required formats listed there but I suppose that they'd be .scm, .c, .cpp, .glade, and .xml.ui.
12:45:19 <fell> in the xgettext section at the end I marked bold, which I knew, we are using
12:46:27 <fell> But IIRC xml is missing in xgettext
12:48:04 <gjanssens> fell, jralls: this page is helpful to see which version we need (hint 0.19.6):
12:48:05 <gjanssens> https://wiki.gnome.org/MigratingFromIntltoolToGettext
12:49:50 <gjanssens> We need 0.19.6 for AppData support
12:50:24 <jralls> Looks more like 0.19.7, which adds custom XML formats, unless GtkUIManager files are include as part of Glade files.
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12:53:26 <gjanssens> GtkUIManager files don't contain translatable strings as far as I know. They're not in POTFIILES.in either.
12:55:46 <gjanssens> What's not mentioned though is scheme files, but if I read fell's page correctly support for Scheme is available at least in 0.19.4
12:56:09 <jralls> Oh, OK. I thought that they had the menu item names in them, but those seem to be translated elsewhere.
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12:58:06 <gjanssens> The user visible names are defined in c code. The ui files work with an internal name, which is not translated (luckily)
12:59:52 <fell> AHAIK you can adjust them in glade, if you find the right tab.
13:01:44 <fell> I am usually faster by editing the xml than searching them in glade.
13:01:46 <gjanssens> The ui files you mean ? Or glade files with menus defined in them ?
13:02:58 <fell> Oh, the latter
13:03:03 <jralls> Scheme is supported in 0.19.3, which is what's in Debian oldstable. AppData isn't mentioned by that name in the language list in `man xgettext` for 0.19.8 which is the most recent version I have at hand.
13:04:33 <fell> 018.8.1 (a bugfix release) is recent
13:04:51 <fell> 19
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13:08:26 <fell> https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/List-of-Data-Formats.html#List-of-Data-Formats
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13:14:12 <jralls> fell: Thanks. It would be nice if they'd say from what version it's supported. It's probably not worth the time to dig any harder, we can just take the word of whoever wrote the Gnome wiki page.
13:18:43 <fell> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnu/2015-09/msg00003.html
13:21:30 <jralls> lmat: Are you really here?
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13:25:02 <jralls> It's not clear to me yet what gettext tool replaces the intltool-update -m QA check.
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13:29:32 <gjanssens> jralls: Neither do I, but with cmake I'm not sure we still need it.
13:30:11 <jralls> OK.
13:30:13 <gjanssens> Contrary to our old autotools setup, a build under cmake will automatically update POTFILES.in whenever it finds a new translatable file, or an old one is dropped
13:31:10 <jralls> I've noticed that. It's part of why we dropped POTFILES.in from the repo.
13:34:57 <jralls> So I guess the next step is to rip out all of the intltools stuff, put in https://cmake.org/cmake/help/v3.10/module/FindGettext.html, and see what happens.
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16:09:58 <arahael> warlord: Thanks for that tip about the loans calculator.
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16:13:12 <charn1k> hi, i have an updated Greek translation file . I edited (2.7.4 )el.po and i am not familiar yet with git. It is ok to send it in devel list?
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16:33:33 <jralls> charnik: Sure, that will be fine. Thanks.
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17:06:43 <gjanssens> jralls: well done on the kvp delimiter issue :)
17:07:43 <jralls> Thanks. Now I'm trying to figure out why new currencies aren't getting saved.
17:10:05 <arahael> Oh, this is fascinating: Did search in iBooks on my iPhone for "gnucash". Only result?
17:10:21 <arahael> "The Anti-Quickbooks Handbook; Minute Help Guides - $2.99".
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