2018-01-24 GnuCash IRC logs
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03:44:36 <gjanssens> .
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05:07:46 <karelk> I am doing credit card reconciliation
05:07:57 <karelk> ending balance (from my bank statement) is 1012.55
05:08:01 <karelk> I have checked off every transaction
05:08:11 <karelk> and the sum is in agreement with my statement (1012.55)
05:08:17 <karelk> yet, I cannot finish the reconciliation. The "finish" button is greyed out
05:10:18 <karelk> also, in the bottom right corner of the reconcile window, "Ending Balance" and "Reconciled Balance" both show the same, correct amount 1012.55
05:10:30 <karelk> why can't I finish the reconciliation ?
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05:46:12 <fell> Good Morning, downunder ;-)
05:47:08 <chris> Good evening Europe :)
05:48:12 <chris> 30C in evening, too hot
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05:52:01 <chris> @tell warlord or anyone - been checking devel archives... from your memory - when running Tools>Close Book, does it always create transaction with xaccTransGetIsClosingTxn = true? if so, then the "Closing Entries" pattern should be removed from equity-statement.scm, trial-balance.scm, income-statement.scm and converted to a boolean filter?
05:52:01 <gncbot> chris: The operation succeeded.
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05:53:59 <fell> chris, it is really nice that you look for the consistence of the reports!
05:56:53 <chris> fell thank you, I spent too much effort to learn scheme to let it go to waste :)
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05:58:01 <fell> karelk, you read https://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/txns-reconcile1.html ?
05:59:38 <chris> and to gjanssens should I separate #266 into separate strands ?
06:04:12 <fell> Chris: in theory you should create small logical units. And keep in mind the release manager will have to cook down some abstract for his announcement.
06:05:29 <chris> ok true
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06:05:54 <karelk> fell: I am following the "Tutorial and Concepts Guide"
06:07:08 <fell> karelk: and you checked all the caution, tip, ... tags
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06:10:22 <karelk> fell: If you see what I am doing wrong, please tell me
06:11:24 <fell> start and end: date and balance
06:11:59 <fell> all trannsactions are checked?
06:12:18 <chris> karelk: is it possible that all the amounts are in the wrong column, i.e. debit instead of credit - will lead to total = (1012.55) = -1012.55?
06:12:26 <chris> is the 'Difference' amount $0?
06:15:31 <karelk> I have made a screenshot: https://ibb.co/guzCeG
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06:15:58 <chris> I was right - you entered all credit card txns in the wrong column
06:16:02 <chris> swap them all
06:17:33 <karelk> I don't understand, I entered the transactions as "expense"
06:17:52 <fell> At the end the difference should be 0.
06:18:15 <karelk> in credit card view, I see the transactions as "charge"
06:19:29 <fell> Your card starts at 0 chf,
06:20:11 <fell> you pay something and your liability increases
06:20:52 <chris> karelk: try the Action > Reconcile again, this time typing 1012.55
06:21:44 <fell> Did you double entry accounting before?
06:22:56 <fell> Assume, you spent 100 for some Asset
06:23:51 <karelk> this is what I see when I click on action -> Reconcile
06:23:52 <karelk> https://ibb.co/cenheG
06:23:59 <fell> If yo pay with your bank card, you will have assets: + 100, Bank -100; but
06:24:32 <fell> if you pay with your credit card, both acounts increase by 100.
06:25:42 <fell> because your bank account is an asset, too, but your credit card is a Liability.
06:26:44 <karelk> so what do I need to make differently ?
06:28:03 <karelk> also, does it make any difference that some of those creditcard transactions are from December last year, but I have only started using gnucash this year ?
06:28:49 <fell> Starting from your 2. image, what happens, if you press OK?
06:33:22 <karelk> I am back where I was before (first screenshot)
06:33:33 <karelk> all transactions are checked off
06:33:39 <karelk> but "finish" is greyed out
06:35:25 <chris> karelk - the "difference" is twice the value for "total" which means there's definitely a sign issue i.e. wrong column
06:36:16 <chris> karelk - the "difference" is twice the value for "reconciled" which means there's definitely a sign issue i.e. wrong column
06:37:49 <fell> Which account template did you use to create your gnucash file?
06:38:28 <karelk> I think, I did not use any template
06:38:37 <karelk> I created from scratch
06:39:39 <karelk> when I click on "edit account" on my credit card in main view, I see it is account type "credit card"
06:41:11 <fell> and it's ancestor is?
06:43:37 <karelk> ancestor is also type credit card
06:43:53 <karelk> here is what I see when I click on credit card account:
06:43:55 <karelk> https://ibb.co/f8yfzG
06:45:18 <chris> looks like your Edit > Preferences > Accounts > Reversal strategy is 'None' which is fine
06:45:30 <chris> it means your Action > Reconcile > Reconcile amount should be -1012.55
06:45:32 <fell> e.g. with LANG=de_CH I see in the template Fremdkapital->Barverbindlichkeiten->Kreditkarte
06:46:17 <chris> it means your Action > Reconcile > Ending Balance amount should be -1012.55
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06:47:11 <karelk> ok, whet I do "Action > Reconcile" and use Reconcile amount -1012.55
06:47:17 <karelk> than everything looks ok
06:47:28 <karelk> difference is 0
06:47:36 <karelk> and "finish" is no longer greyed out
06:47:45 <chris> tada
06:48:07 <karelk> so I have to use negative amount always ?
06:48:15 <karelk> in the tutorial , they are using positive
06:48:22 <karelk> that't what confused me
06:48:24 <chris> you can change Edit > Preferences > Accounts > Reversal to 'Credit Accounts'
06:48:30 <chris> this will be more intuitive
06:49:35 <chris> if you've just installed gnucahs it should be set to credit accounts
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06:50:01 <karelk> but when I change Edit > Preferences > Accounts > Reversal to 'Credit Accounts'
06:50:15 <karelk> suddenly all negative numbers become positive
06:50:22 <karelk> which is confusing
06:50:33 <karelk> before I had expensive as negative (and red)
06:50:37 <karelk> and assets positive
06:50:44 <karelk> now everything looks positive
06:50:48 <karelk> in the main view
06:50:50 <chris> haha
06:51:15 <chris> well then you'll have to choose a global sign reversal strategy
06:51:39 <chris> some people (like myself) prefer 'credit accounts'
06:51:53 <chris> perhaps the guide should be explicit on this
06:52:22 <chris> in my mind, a credit card is always for expenses, and i don't mind they're positive
06:53:36 <karelk> so, to sum up, I have to use negative number for reconciliation amount, ie -1012.55
06:53:48 <karelk> and everything will be fine ?
06:54:02 <chris> you're right the ending-balance for reconciliation for a credit card is negative, so if you prefer it that way you'll have to reconcile credit cards -ve, and normal savings/bank accounts +ve
06:54:30 <chris> and everything will be fine
06:54:56 <karelk> ok thanks a lot for the help everybody
06:55:17 <fell> karelk, can you file a bug report against the documentation?
06:56:30 <karelk> ok
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07:06:23 <karelk> Bug 792864
07:12:41 <chris> thank you karelk, and enjoy Gnucash :)
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08:05:13 <gjanssens> chris: I haven't looked closely at #266 yet (real life is keeping me pretty busy these days...)
08:06:11 <gjanssens> But a few general remarks: we are in string freeze, so any change that introduces a new or altered translatable string should be agreed upon (unless it's purely a fix for a bad or untranslatable string)
08:06:32 <gjanssens> I don't know if your new options introduce new translatable strings or not.
08:07:29 <gjanssens> In addition jralls also declared 2.7.3 feature freeze, which restricts the type of changes still allowed between 2.7.3 and 3.0
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08:08:55 <gjanssens> PR#266 seems to introduce additional options to the TR (weekday view and grid summary). We have to deliberate whether or not they can go in 3.0 or not.
08:09:17 <gjanssens> Again I haven't looked at the details yet, so I don't know how complex the changes are.
08:10:23 <gjanssens> However, given the enormous amount of options in the TR report I really would like to see lots of unit tests on it that stress as many combinations of options as possible.
08:10:49 <gjanssens> Having lots of options inevitable means having lots of untested combinations (that's an exponential curve).
08:11:02 <gjanssens> inevitably*
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08:14:29 <gjanssens> In a future iteration, you could consider splitting all this functionality in separate reports which share large parts of code. I don't know how feasible that is, I'm just looking for ways to keep complexity manageable.
08:14:33 <gjanssens> But aside all that, I'm very pleased you continue so strongly on the scheme side of gnucash!
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08:35:37 <chris> gjanssens that's fine. I wouldn't think #266 would be mergeable en masse, mainly it was be a focal point for ideas and possibilities that are possible with minimum effort.
08:41:55 <chris> In terms of new-strings it currently stands at, I believe, 18 new strings related to new functionality. So, perhaps let's postpone new functionality. I think I'll separate a crucial bugfix which must be merged asap and the rest will stand as 'future ideas'
08:43:14 <chris> In terms of unit testing, I'll need to ask the group how we want unit tests to function
08:46:29 <chris> So I'll rebranch into 'urgent or routine bugfixes', 'general simplifications and housekeeping', and 'future'
08:52:25 * chris can (see the (matrix)) ;)
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16:41:35 <Malte[m]> hiho, i've my turnover records in mt940 but with some gaps - but was able to pull some saldi from paper records. is it possible to combine these to find remaining gaps and calculate turnovers without record?
16:43:58 <Malte[m]> turnover might not be the adequate term - transactions might be better
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