2017-11-25 GnuCash IRC logs

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12:42:15 <jralls> gjanssens: Any new thoughts on where to put the upgrade explainer we were discussing last night?
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12:45:41 <gjanssens> jralls: well here's a more radical (and still rough) one: how about we tweak the tip of the day tool such that it is always displayed the first time a new gnucash version is run and force it to display an upgrade explainer ?
12:45:58 <gjanssens> Or just make it a separate dialog if that's more easy to implement
12:46:09 <jralls> gjanssens: Different topic, any more commits to push before I start working up the release?
12:47:14 <gjanssens> jralls: not from me. I'm currently dabbling around in gui code to eliminate a bunch of missing transient parent warnings, but it's not ready to be pushed and won't be this WE
12:48:00 <gjanssens> jralls: but perhaps we may want to merge chris' current transaction report work
12:48:16 <gjanssens> It's not completely finished but it will allow more people to test it.
12:48:20 <jralls> gjanssens: I was thinking of a "What's New" dialog yesterday. I think we need it to be separate from the TotD dialog, but I do see those a lot.
12:48:46 <gjanssens> Or perhaps we should wait one release until we get the option migrations sorted out
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12:50:16 <jralls> Yeah, let's let that percolate a bit longer. There still seems to be some design issues that will be harder to clean up once it's been released. You also wanted him to clean up the history a bit and that's not possible once its merged.
12:52:00 <gjanssens> Good point indeed :)
12:52:56 <jralls> Something in merging BobIT's gtk3-update-8 broke the dbi tests so I have to bisect and fix that first, but I hope in won't take too long. I hope I'll be able to tag this afternoon.
12:53:59 <gjanssens> Hmm, I missed that.
12:55:25 <gjanssens> Interestingly it didn't break travis: https://travis-ci.org/Gnucash/gnucash/builds/306839077
12:55:36 <gjanssens> jralls: is that in code you haven't pushed yet ?
12:55:39 <jralls> It breaks in postgres so maybe it didn't break for you. I've been working on the 1970-01-01 problem the last few days and so am set up to test all three backends.
12:55:51 <gjanssens> That would explain it
12:56:08 <gjanssens> I don't think travis runs postgres/mysql tests
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12:56:21 <jralls> It doesn't. Way too hard.
12:57:08 <jralls> Back to the upgrade explainer. We obviously aren't going to get a What's New dialog for this release, so it's either a wiki article/website page or something in the release notes or both... but we'll want a page to refer to even with a What's New dialog.
12:58:00 <jralls> Hereafter #define WND "What's New Dialog" ;-)
12:58:11 <gjanssens> :D
12:59:00 <gjanssens> So let's make an upgrade wiki page which collects anything that might affect the user's data or requires user intervention on upgrading.
12:59:35 <gjanssens> The release notes can have a big fat warning with reference to this page.
12:59:58 <jralls> Exactly. Right under the "don't use on production data" warning.
13:00:23 <gjanssens> I'd keep that fat warning around for one major release cycle.
13:01:02 <gjanssens> Eh, no probably not needed if we get our WND
13:01:42 <gjanssens> Although it wouldn't hurt warning users in several spots.
13:01:51 <jralls> I was about to say that.
13:02:49 <gjanssens> So a message in the release notes like "If upgrading from 2.6.x, be advised you may need to perform some housekeeping, see wiki page xyz"
13:03:07 <gjanssens> Can probably stick for the whole 2.8 stable series.
13:03:21 <jralls> Right on both counts.
13:04:53 <jralls> And if we have time when we get close to 2.8.0 we can tart up the wiki page into a what's new in 2.8 page for the website, like the "Take the tour" page that Cristian Marchi wrote for 2.6.0.
13:05:37 <gjanssens> To refine it later on I think we can keep a versioned list of upgrade notices and store the version we last showed in the book. If a user then skips a major cycle (say from 2.8 to 2.12) we can show all notices relevant from his old to his new release.
13:05:56 <jralls> Hmm, speaking of Cristian, maybe we should recruit on the user list for a new PR person...
13:06:04 <gjanssens> Good point
13:06:53 <jralls> Oh yeah, we need "what's new
13:07:07 <jralls> " in the docs, too, don't we?
13:07:38 <gjanssens> I believe David T was trying to get it out of there and I tend to agree with him.
13:08:23 <gjanssens> By the time a user will go for the docs he must have seen the what's new info somewhere, be it in the release announcement or in the WND
13:08:27 <jralls> David T did remove it, but that's because it was for 1.8 -> 2.0. A bit outdated.
13:09:04 <gjanssens> Indeed and he made the argument it doesn't really belong in the docs at the same time.
13:09:39 <gjanssens> But TBH if someone cares enough to maintain such a section in the docs, I won't stop him/her.
13:09:49 <jralls> "Must have seen" != "Must have read and understood". Besides, there needs to be an easy-to-find reference.
13:10:54 <jralls> OTOH we don't want too many different ones to try and keep in sync.
13:12:32 <gjanssens> That's how I see it as well. We have enough to manage already, so let's keep this as simple as reasonable.
13:14:55 <jralls> So Maybe the docs can just have a note to see the website. If we're going to keep comprehensive upgrade notes in a wiki page the website page can point to it in a "more details" note.
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13:21:54 <jralls> Do you want to start the wiki page or shall I?
13:22:39 <jralls> BTW, the bisect showed that it was my latest change (not pushed) that broke the pgsql test. I must not have cleared my workspace sufficiently last night.
13:23:03 <gjanssens> jralls: ok on the pointer in the docs. And I'll pass the wiki page to you. I'm short in time in this period of the year :(
13:23:58 <jralls> OK, but it'll need some input from you... I'm not familiar with the first of the items you mentioned yeserday.
13:25:46 <jralls> Do you think "Upgrade Notes" is a good title?
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13:32:28 <gjanssens> That title is fine with me.
13:34:18 <gjanssens> jralls: the first item I mentioned yesterday is what is mentioned in the 2.7.0 release notes under bug 608098
13:34:32 <gjanssens> Does that explain it sufficiently for you ?
13:35:34 <gjanssens> That upgrade note is a candidate to be removed if we have better option migration btw
13:36:52 <gjanssens> This reminds me of a minor pitfall to keep in mind as a result of migrating .gnucash to .local/share/gnucash
13:37:24 <gjanssens> If users test 2.7.x and go back to 2.6 they now have two independent sets of user (meta) data
13:38:11 <gjanssens> They may want to remove the one generated by 2.7.x before they do their final upgrade to 2.8 so in 2.8 they will see their latest report configurations and such.
13:38:23 <gjanssens> Any suggestion how and where we should mention this ?
13:42:31 <jralls> We should collect it along with everything else on the UpgradeNotes page. That will have to do for now.
14:05:00 <gjanssens> Ok
14:06:05 <jralls> I've started the page with the 3 things we discussed so far. I just lifted your comment from the release notes for the General->Style thing.
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15:09:51 <lucky> eh guy's i'm trying to backup the gimps settings in windows 10 home c:\users\<user>\.gmip-2.0
15:10:00 <lucky> but it doesn't seen to work :( :(
15:10:17 <jralls> lucky: I think you're in the wrong channel...
15:10:47 <lucky> doh that I am
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20:48:10 <xi> I just upgraded to 2.6.17 and now gnc-fq-dump doesn't work: gnc-fq-dump -v vanguard msft ==> "No results found for stock msft."
20:48:26 <xi> I get the same error for yahoo too
20:48:28 <xi> and all stocks
20:48:31 <xi> any ideas how to fix?
20:57:15 <CDB-Away> xi: force upgrade your fq to the latest
20:57:28 <CDB-Away> yahoo API support was pulled by yahoo
21:02:32 <CDB-Away> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Why_doesn.27t_online_quoting_work.3F
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21:06:45 <xi> thanks, sorry i just saw the FAQ on the gnucash site
21:11:14 <xi> hrm i have dozens of stocks set up to use yahoo, do I need to go through all individually in the security editor, or is there a way to switch everything to alphavantage?
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