2017-11-09 GnuCash IRC logs
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08:43:45 <chris> I'm rather proud of my debit/credit multicolumn subtotal in TR strategy :) I think it fixes a lot of Debit/Credit display issues
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09:30:59 <chris> lmat: I have idea about transitioning from timepair to time64 - I'll insert a few strategic (gnc:warn) beacons in the helper modules which use timepair, and slowly modify the .scm files
09:31:25 <chris> I'll only touch .scm files because to me C is off limits
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09:42:05 <lmat> chris: Sounds great. I have no problem taking care of the C and C++ side.
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09:44:24 <lmat> @tell jralls "Do you have a branch with just the c/c++ parts done?" No. I had started by removing the functions and letting the compiler show me the usages. That was a trainwreck and subsequently abandoned. I am now much more familiar with the code and ready to come at it again.
09:44:24 <gncbot> lmat: The operation succeeded.
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09:48:01 <MrKeuner> hi, how can I create a time series chart of one of the accounts in GnuCash?
09:48:32 <lmat> MrKeuner: Reports > Income and Expense > expense line chart? (I'm just guessing)
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09:57:09 <lmat> chris: Are you planning on eliminating timepairs "as you go", or will you be opening a new branch for a concerted effort? If the latter, let me know the branch and I will add my work to it.
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10:02:40 <MrKeuner> lmat, no that's kind of a predetermined report
10:04:00 <warlord> MrKeuner: what kind of time-series are you looking for? You may need to write one.
10:06:53 <MrKeuner> X-axis time, Y axis balance of the specific account which may be expense/income/or anything else
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10:08:45 <warlord> MrKeuner: Such a report does not exist. You would need to write it based on a existing reports.
10:09:51 <MrKeuner> I see, thank you I'll to use one of the existing ones. I was under the impression that I may need to start a budget to do the charts...
10:10:41 <MrKeuner> also, how can resize a chart "Income over time" for example? Currently it is squeezed in 1/6th of my screen realestate
10:10:59 <MrKeuner> is it because I am using 2.6.4?
10:12:33 <warlord> Probably, yes.
10:13:32 <MrKeuner> any major dependencies to anything I may not have to build Gnucash latest stable on my Debian 8.3?
10:15:56 <warlord> Unlikely. Why not just use backports?
10:16:49 <MrKeuner> I'll check thanks
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10:22:02 <MrKeuner> heh, I just learned to use backports... I thought I knew it.
10:22:23 <MrKeuner> specifically wasn't aware that backports are disabled by default
10:22:40 <MrKeuner> thought adding to the sources list was enough
10:23:45 <MrKeuner> Running 2.6.11 now but the charts are still the same size.
10:23:50 <MrKeuner> I'll try latest stable
10:25:09 <warlord> 2.6.18 is current
10:49:11 <MrKeuner> same in 2.6.18, could it be a pref thing somewhere?
10:49:21 <warlord> Maybe. Or it could be a bug.
10:49:28 <warlord> I dont use the graphical reports myself.
10:50:31 <MrKeuner> it mentions a graph conf options and I can save it as... but don't see how to the configuration
10:50:54 <warlord> MrKeuner: maybe gjanssens knows?
10:50:55 <MrKeuner> sorry report configuration options
10:52:18 <MrKeuner> nevermind, found the options mentioned and it does have a plot width that adjusts what I was taling about
10:52:49 <MrKeuner> I wish it had a page width though :)
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11:28:39 <lmat> MrKeuner: I have been able to resize my reports, but I don't know what "Income over time" is.
11:28:59 <lmat> MrKeuner: Perhaps it's named something different; do you use gnucash in English?
11:45:05 <gjanssens> MrKeuner: gnucash 2.8 will allow you to set percentages for your plot widths. That percentage is relative to the page width.
11:45:18 <gjanssens> So if you set it to 100%, it will be full page width.
11:45:56 <gjanssens> Gnucash 2.8 is due in a few months. We're stabilizing the development branch towards it.
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12:08:56 <jralls> .
12:08:56 <gncbot> jralls: Sent 2 hours and 24 minutes ago: <lmat> Do you have a branch with just the c/c++ parts done? No. I had started by removing the functions and letting the compiler show me the usages. That was a trainwreck and subsequently abandoned. I am now much more familiar with the code and ready to come at it again.
12:18:37 <jralls> lmat: Heh, no surprise that blew up. Grep is your friend. ;-)
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12:21:13 <jralls> CDB-Man: gncbot can save messages for later using <at>tell user (I don't remember and couldn't find the escape, so <at> means @). You can look in today's log to see lmat using it around 10AM and gncbot playing it back for me just now.
12:23:16 <jralls> CDB-Man: The one thing to remember using tell is that there mustn't be a space after the userid; gncbot will think that any punctuation is part of the userudid.
12:23:19 <lmat> jralls: I have been frustrated by the difficulty of finding "uses" especially in C++ (function "set" anyone?). As C++ becomes more pervasive, grep becomes less useful since functions are no longer globally unique. I need some compiler to help me find uses, and couldn't find a good vim plugin. Ctags isn't cut out for uses, only "go to definition"s, and even that doesn't work well with C++ member functions. I
12:23:25 <lmat> installed kdevelop and it knows enough to find definitions quite well across the c/c++ code base.
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12:24:39 <lmat> jralls: And we're all left wondering "How did jralls know about CDB's message..." Surely he doesn't read the whole backlog? Do I need to use @tell anymore? ;-)
12:25:42 <jralls> lmat: Look for LLVM plugins for vim. LLVM exposes API to search its parse tree and there's been a lot of creative uses of that, the sanitizers being among the best.
12:26:19 <jralls> lmat: Actually, I do read the logs for periods when I'm not connected. It seldom takes more than 5 minutes.
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12:32:03 <lmat> jralls: Good to know (on both accounts) :-)
12:32:44 <jralls> lmat: As for tagging you might find https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1932396/c-source-tagging helpful. I've not managed to get into the habit of using tags so I can't offer any experience on the matter.
12:33:03 <lmat> jralls: I looked at clang-ctags. Again, not useful for finding uses, and to go to definition, I can't just ^]; I have to :tag Classname::membername which is more work than it's worth.
12:35:14 <jralls> But for timespec->time64 changes, simply `grep -rli timespec` to get a list of files using it... or maybe `grep -vrli timespec` for the files that don't. That might be a shorter list.
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12:45:41 <jralls> lmat: By "uses" do you mean "using" or inheritance?
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14:16:11 <gjanssens> CDB-Man: jralls meant "The one thing to remember using tell is that there *must* be a space after the userid" in case you found his use of mustn't confusing in that sentence :)
14:17:34 <jralls> gjanssens: Thanks, I did get that flipped.
14:19:52 <gjanssens> jralls: np
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15:59:46 <jralls> gjanssens: I discovered after merging maint->unstable that the accounts/ca addition hadn't come over when you merged back in September, I imagine because of the change in the directory structure. I cherry-picked and moved the results into the right place for today's merge. I mention it as something we'll have to pay attention to if we get any more directory additions in maint.
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16:20:31 <lmat> jralls: Sorry for the wait. No inheritance. For instance, when I see fr->set(...); put my cursor on "set", press ^], I would like it to take me to the correct overload of KvpFrame::set's definition. The best ctags can do is: I have to type ":tag KvpFrame::set(char const *" (or something like that). In other words, I have to figure out that fr is a KvpFrame* and the correct overload is the char* one, then
16:20:37 <lmat> it'll take me where I want to go.
16:20:38 <fell> Good Evening, I am back again.
16:21:08 <lmat> On the other hand, using kdevelop, not only this, but I can go to kvp-frame.hpp and find a ::set function and find all uses of it. Very useful.
16:21:15 <gjanssens> jralls: ok. Have you checked for other missing directories ?
16:21:22 <lmat> jralls: Right about timespec; grep can take care of us there.
16:22:08 <jralls> gjanssens: Not yet. That one happened to get flagged by the compiler.
16:23:07 * gjanssens is a happy kdevelop users as well...
16:23:17 <jralls> lmat: Ah, that would require the compiler's knowledge of which template is invoked. In cases where the polymorphism is resolved at runtime even the compiler (and therefor an IDE) won't know.
16:24:29 <jralls> Another argument for compile-time polymorphism, aka template metaprogramming. Too bad it makes my head explode most of the time.
16:24:37 <lmat> jralls: Oh yes, that's right.
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16:50:38 <gjanssens> jralls: I went though the maint commits since the directory restructuring on master. As far as I can see there are no new files added in directories that have changed names. So I think the CA case is the only one so far.
16:51:31 <gjanssens> New files in existing directories are picked up though (like doc/README-ca.win32.txt)
16:53:05 <gjanssens> Existing directories that didn't change names that is...
17:06:41 <lmat> There should be a merge conflict if a file is added in one branch, but the directory was changed on the destination branch.
17:09:56 <jralls> lmat: In this case the whole directory was added. gjanssens did the original merge that should have brought it over, I'd be surprised if he ignored a conflict.
17:12:25 <gjanssens> jralls, lmat: I don't remember getting a merge conflict for the CA directory specifically
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17:20:07 <gjanssens> Huh, I got the mail from gnucash-patches twice and not the one from gnucash-changes (for the push that merges maint into unstable)
17:21:47 <warlord> It might be "too big" and stuck in the moderator queue.
17:26:34 <chris> lmat: I'll need to think about how the transitioning timepair>time64 can work. So far I was running under assumption that scm was for read-only access to database. My strategy was to create some parallel functions in date-utilities.scm and slowly move over all api calls to use the new time64 function but it looks like it's gnc-date.cpp that will require parallel functions. e.g. timespec_equal -> g
17:26:35 <chris> nc_date_equal.
17:27:04 <chris> so perhaps I'll want to have a build with the new gnc-date and lots of debug calls.
17:28:38 <chris> i'm still confused diff between gnc_date, timespec, gdate, gncdatetime, qof-time :-o
17:31:28 <chris> but if i do this project we'll need to think about how to collaborate. i think i'll need to set up a proper build env
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17:37:24 <jralls> chris: time64 is just a 64-bit integer. You can use regular integer comparisons on it once it's no longer a timespec/timepair.
17:40:04 <jralls> chris: In unstable, GncDate is the date part of a GncDateTime. Timespec/timepair is the struct we're trying to replace with time64. GDate is a GLib date structure (see https://developer.gnome.org/glib/stable/glib-Date-and-Time-Functions.html) that we need in some places to communicate with the GUI but should otherwise be replaced with GDate; I hope it's not in any Scheme code.
17:45:40 <jralls> chris: There is no QofTime object, there's just a badly named function qof_time_format_from_utf8 that transcodes a format string from UTF8 to what the OS uses natively; it's pretty much a noop except on Windows.
17:48:41 <chris> jralls- thx i'll think some more and get started when i've set up a good dev env
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18:26:32 <chris> I'll assume time64/timepair relates to the year 1970 and goes for millenia in both directions
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18:35:09 <jralls> chris: That's correct. The date limitation is imposed by boost::datetime and is 1 January 1400 to 31 December 9999.
18:37:57 <jralls> That's sufficient even for the Banco Monte dei Paschi di Sienna, though I doubt they use GnuCash.
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19:23:45 <luc14n0> hey jralls! I thought that Travis was using gcc7.
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19:29:06 <jralls> luc14no: Hmm, true, at least on arch. But why else would it barf over the signature difference?
19:29:48 <jralls> luc14no: Have you tested the latest unstable on OpenSuSE yet?
19:30:25 <luc14n0> no, but I'll now.
19:31:51 <luc14n0> And I still can imagine why Travis don't hiccup and openSUSE does.
19:31:59 <luc14n0> *can't
19:33:38 <jralls> Debian 9, too.
19:35:22 <luc14n0> I'll do some more investigation now that we know that Debian is having issues as well
19:35:53 <jralls> Was. The changes are committed and Debian 9 builds and passes the tests.
19:36:24 <luc14n0> Well, that's good news.
19:37:17 <luc14n0> Do I have to use the 2.7.1 branch?
19:38:14 <luc14n0> *Tag
19:39:19 <jralls> No, use the unstable branch. I can't change a tag.
19:39:38 <luc14n0> Alright!
19:40:47 <luc14n0> Tomorrow I'll pop up again with the results. It's dinner time.
19:41:46 <jralls> For me too.
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20:47:47 <CDB-Away> jralls_afk: well, learn something new everyday
20:47:51 <CDB-Away> :)
20:47:54 <CDB-Away> <CDB-Away> [01:27:30] <CDB-Away> hmm, where's jralls
20:47:54 <CDB-Away> <CDB-Away> [01:29:10] <CDB-Away> in any case, the updated finance quote v1.44 with alphavantage api key works for stocks, but doesnt work for currency
20:47:54 <CDB-Away> <CDB-Away> [01:29:18] <CDB-Away> i cant import my usd cad fx
20:47:54 <CDB-Away> <CDB-Away> [01:29:46] <CDB-Away> and gnucash doesnt let you select anything other than "currency" when choosing a data source for currency
20:47:54 <CDB-Away> <CDB-Away> [01:30:00] <CDB-Away> if someone could pass that along to jralls,that would be great
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