2017-10-27 GnuCash IRC logs

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11:12:24 <lmat> @tell jralls perhaps I'll remove the arch-cmake-make and ubuntu-cmake-ninja configurations too? It was mentioned earlier that they're redundant, but this way, the two backends are still exercised.
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11:59:09 <gncbot> jralls: Sent 46 minutes ago: <lmat> perhaps I'll remove the arch-cmake-make and ubuntu-cmake-ninja configurations too? It was mentioned earlier that they're redundant, but this way, the two backends are still exercised.
12:01:11 <jralls> lmat: What's the benefit of CI testing on arch?
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12:38:53 <gjanssens_> jralls: one benefit of testing an an arch that closely follows upstream releases is to detect api breakage in libraries we depend on (libdbi comes to mind...)
12:40:15 <gjanssens_> ...of testing on a distro... is what I meant to write
12:41:01 <jralls> gjanssens_: Um, only if the docker is continuously updated. Is it? As for libdbi, it hasn't been touched in years. I think it's abandoned.
12:42:50 <jralls> gjanssens_: The API I worry about breaking on us is WebKit. They're not very good at API compatibility.
12:44:13 <gjanssens_> I don't know if the docker image is continuously updated. But we did have a few libdbi related api errors in the past.
12:44:20 <gjanssens_> I agree webkit is worse though...
12:44:29 <gjanssens_> I've got to leave for an errant...
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12:45:11 <jralls> gjanssens_afk: Funny typo! ;-)
12:50:48 <gjanssens_afk> Indeed :D s/errant/errand/ ?
13:02:08 <jralls> Yes.
13:02:38 <jralls> You'd be in deep trouble if you'd gone out for an errant!
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13:07:39 <lmat> jralls: The arch linux docker image is, like arch, always up-to-date with the latest version of everything: https://hub.docker.com/r/base/archlinux/ says updated daily.
13:08:08 <lmat> jralls: I don't think I've seen something that works in ubuntu 2014 that doesn't work in arch linux, so it may be redundant.
13:08:35 <jralls> lmat: OK. PR 225 needs to go on unstable and bubble up to master.
13:10:16 <jralls> As gjanssens_afk says, having an agressively updated platform warns us of dependencies breaking something. Ubuntu-2014 makes sure that we don't do anything that breaks old distros.
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13:11:40 <jralls> Though if we want to start using C++14 (or maybe even 17?) for master we'll probably have to move to something newer for the "old distro" example.
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13:13:53 <lmat> jralls: Okay, I'll move to unstable. C++14 will require either a "custom" (perhaps a PPA is available) gcc or newer version of Ubuntu. I would think decent c++ 17 support may still require a PPA in the newest ubuntu, but I'm hardly an authority on such things.
13:15:38 <jralls> According to Herb Sutter all of C++17 is already in gcc, clang, and MSVC. I haven't checked the compatibility matrix to see if that's in *released* versions, but I think it should be pretty mainstream by the next major release.
13:16:03 <jralls> Don't worry about changing your PR, I'll just apply it to unstable as-is.
13:16:11 <lmat> jralls: Okay.
13:20:25 <jralls> Merged and unstable is merged to master (ff this time, gjanssens_afk).
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13:47:58 <jralls> lmat: Well that's interesting. https://travis-ci.org/Gnucash/gnucash/jobs/293787673 seems to have ignored the change.
13:57:06 <jralls> And arch/autotools segfaulted while building reports/business-reports/aging.go, which is a different place from where it had been failing.
13:58:05 <jralls> Meanwhile https://travis-ci.org/Gnucash/gnucash/jobs/293787963 passed and it should be the exact same code.
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14:23:05 <gjanssens_> jralls: fyi I have seen the arch/autotools build fail as well on aging.go a few days back
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14:24:11 <lmat> jralls: I see a gtest-import-map failure which makes me quite nervous! There should be no changes to that in unstable yet!
14:24:43 <jralls> lmat: The import-map has been failing intermittently for months.
14:25:11 <lmat> ah
14:25:58 <jralls> The aging crash started I think only a week or two ago and it happens only on arch.
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14:30:30 <gjanssens> jralls, lmat: I wonder whether the kvp stuff should be part of 2.7/2.8 still (PR#222/224)
14:30:52 <gjanssens> The PR suggested the one-time conversion would make the file unreadable by older releases
14:31:41 <gjanssens> As Bob's import map conversion from full name to guid does this as well, it would make sense to try and do it all in one release.
14:32:10 <gjanssens> Aren't these changes related in some way ?
14:36:04 <lmat> They are intertwined.
14:37:02 <lmat> Would someone re-run that ubuntu autotools build? https://travis-ci.org/Gnucash/gnucash/jobs/293787675
14:38:03 <jralls> lmat: Done
14:38:37 <jralls> As for flattening KVP I agree that sooner is better for that.
14:39:08 <gjanssens> As a distraction I'm looking at which ubuntu distro we'd need to have C++14 support.
14:39:49 <jralls> I think it got aimed at master because lmat told me that he wanted to make Account C++ and I thought that he wanted to start on rewriting it.
14:40:23 <gjanssens> According to https://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx-status.html full C++14 is the default in 6.1, but it's less clear as of which version it's fully supported
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14:41:33 <gjanssens> The new language features all seem to be implemented in gcc 5 (except for one which is set as N/A)
14:41:44 <gjanssens> Does that mean gcc 5 has full support already ?
14:41:53 <lmat> jralls: Ah yes, I just meant that it would compile as c++. On the other hard, carwynnelson_ and I have been collaborating a lot (several e-mails per day!) on making struct Account proper C++. But that's separate work.
14:42:10 <gjanssens> The next LTS (16.04) ships with gcc 5.3 by default and 5.4 via standard updates
14:42:33 <gjanssens> lmat: good. Keep those separate
14:42:45 <gjanssens> The kvp flattening can then still go in unstable.
14:43:02 <carwynnelson> I imagine this part of the work lmat and I are doing is going to be quite a large PR
14:43:22 <lmat> Although I've seen all the conversation, I haven't carefully tracked it: What is the latest gnucash release version? 2.6? And 2.7 is an unstable version not yet released?
14:44:20 <gjanssens> Another link: http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/compiler_support confirms c++14 is fully supported in gcc 5.0
14:44:28 <jralls> lmat: Right. 2.7 will lead to releasing 2.8 as the new stable early next year.
14:45:04 <gjanssens> Full support for C++17 will require gcc 7 so that's probably not feasible yet.
14:46:35 <lmat> bayes import map->GUID is a 2.7 feature?
14:46:44 <gjanssens> So once our first master only commits get merged we can consider increasing the minimum required compiler version
14:46:51 <gjanssens> lmat: yes
14:47:34 <carwynnelson> Just to confirm - we are currently compiling against c++11? But are looking to move up to c++14 soon?
14:47:41 <gjanssens> lmat: http://gnucash.org/news.phtml 4th user topic
14:48:02 <lmat> carwynnelson: aye.
14:48:19 <gjanssens> carwynnelson: for the master branch only
14:48:32 <gjanssens> unstable and maint will remain c++11
14:48:32 <carwynnelson> Good news :)
14:48:46 <lmat> In that case (guid bayes is 2.7), I can rewrite so that there is only one conversion? That would make the code much tighter.
14:49:11 <lmat> gjanssens: Does master correspond to 2.8 and unstable 2.7?
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14:50:02 <gjanssens> lmat: rewriting would be great
14:50:06 <jralls> gjanssens: Right. Where does Ubuntu pick up gcc 6? Or clang 4, for that matter. The only C++17 feature that needs clang 5 is constexpr lambdas. I can surely live without that, but I'd like to have *this capture.
14:50:27 <gjanssens> jralls: I'll check
14:50:50 <gjanssens> lmat: master and unstable are now conceptually two different branches
14:50:52 <lmat> I'm mostly looking for auto var { ... }; to work correctly! That would be swell :-)
14:50:57 <carwynnelson> Just got a quite obscure error When compiling some of my AccountPrivate to Account changes
14:50:59 <carwynnelson> :-1: error: [lib/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.0/gnucash/unittest-support.go] Error 1
14:51:21 <gjanssens> unstable is what we use to release 2.7 editions until it's stable enough for 2.8
14:51:52 <lmat> carwynnelson: hmm, that doesn't look applicable. It may be a "one-off" error, or caused by an applicable error. More output pasted to paste.ubuntu.com?
14:52:04 <gjanssens> master is in theory open for development that is not targetted ad 2.8, but rather for the next stable release after that (2.10 or 3.0)
14:52:08 <lmat> gjanssens: Ah, and master just continues as "bleeding edge"?
14:52:14 <carwynnelson> Unfortunately that's the only output I got from the compiler :P
14:52:16 <gjanssens> Yes
14:52:24 <lmat> carwynnelson: whoa! That's pretty minimal!
14:52:30 <jralls> lmat: We can have auto {...} with gcc 5.0.
14:52:40 <carwynnelson> Yes - it seems compiler wants to give me a bit of a challenge
14:52:52 <gjanssens> As there are no bleeding edge commits yet, master is currently still the same as unstable
14:53:08 <lmat> jralls: Excellent. Of course, there are a number of other things that would be nice... "auto" lambda parameters come up quite a bit.
14:53:17 <gjanssens> Because we cascade our merges from older to newer maint->unstable->master
14:53:26 <lmat> carwynnelson: If things seem quite borked, I would restart rm -rf build; mkdir build; ... cmake...
14:53:37 <carwynnelson> good idea
14:53:39 <lmat> gjanssens: Right.
14:54:31 <jralls> lmat: Rerunning Travis 1459.4 passed.
14:56:14 <gjanssens> jralls: Ubuntu 16.10 comes with gcc 6.1.1. That's not an LTS release though
14:56:36 <carwynnelson> hmm. I rm'd build and re-ran cmake and compiled and I got the same error...
14:56:58 <gjanssens> But you can safely assume 18.04LTS will have at least that and I suspect even 7.2 or more recent by that time
14:57:33 <carwynnelson> what are .go files? My mind instantly goes to golang files but I somehow doubt that's the case.
14:57:33 <jralls> Do you have it in mind that the current Ubuntu LTS should replace RHEL as the minimum required? Should that be the LTS when we begin a dev cycle or for release?
14:57:34 <lmat> carwynnelson: Push a branch for that so I can see?
14:57:41 <carwynnelson> sure thing
14:57:58 <jralls> carwynnelson: go files are compiles scheme.
14:58:12 <jralls> sorry compileD sScheme.
14:59:18 <carwynnelson> https://github.com/CarwynNelson/gnucash/commit/0c0d93c4c698ec3cc7b7c6642e2ab38a45132239
14:59:43 <lmat> carwynnelson: thanks
14:59:54 <carwynnelson> I should point out that I'm expecting this to be quite broken. I haven't really removed many GET_PRIVATE's or restructured the code. Was just trying to get it to compile or give me some other kinds of errors
15:00:08 <gjanssens> Clang 4 seems to first appear in 17.04.
15:00:43 <gjanssens> jralls: well RHEL seems to choose to run that much behind I don't think it'd be reasonable to take that as a baseline
15:00:45 <carwynnelson> gjanssens: I'm running 17.10 which has clang 4.0.1-6 if that's any use to you?
15:01:19 * jralls likes clang...
15:01:23 <gjanssens> The most recent RHEL (7.4) still ships 4.8 by default
15:01:48 <carwynnelson> that makes me think. Maybe I should compile with clang instead of gcc and see if it gives me a different error
15:01:49 <gjanssens> carwynnelson: I'm not using clang myself as jralls already id ;)
15:02:20 <gjanssens> It's good if the devs use a balanced mix of compilers and distros
15:03:07 <jralls> I agree about RHEL. I don't think the Red Hat packager (BillN?) pays it much attention, either.
15:03:44 <jralls> Mind, I use mostly Apple clang which is a little different from what goes to Linux.
15:05:40 <gjanssens> On the bright side there are software collections to install a much more recent version of gcc on RHEL
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15:05:42 <gjanssens> https://www.softwarecollections.org/en/scls/rhscl/Devtoolset-7/
15:05:50 <gjanssens> That one ships gcc-7 already
15:06:33 <gjanssens> There's also a software collection for boost 1.57
15:07:09 <carwynnelson> I have to run CentOS on my work dev virtual machine (bank :/) and I swear most of my packages are from third party repos
15:07:21 <gjanssens> So RHEL may get still be a viable platform
15:07:22 <carwynnelson> just to get decent versions of software
15:08:07 <carwynnelson> lmat: Interestingly I get the exact same error on clang
15:08:14 <gjanssens> Of course there are other dependencies than the compiler/boost, but I did that excersise a while back already on the devel ml
15:09:07 <lmat> carwynnelson: I'm building this branch...
15:09:39 <carwynnelson> wait... it works for you?
15:11:44 <carwynnelson> I'm so glad I pushed that branch when I did. My machine just BSOD'd
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15:12:37 <lmat> carwynnelson: no...
15:12:46 <jralls> carwynnelson: BSOD'd? Are you trying to develop in Windows?
15:12:57 <carwynnelson> jralls: I have an ubuntu VM on a windows host atm
15:13:06 <lmat> carwynnelson: http://sprunge.us/IJgW
15:13:35 <jralls> Oh, right. You were trying to build on a Mac and couldn't get it to behave.
15:14:02 <lmat> I think he IRCs from an Apple Mac ^_^
15:14:06 <carwynnelson> Yeah I gave up on that for now. I just wanted to get started on something
15:14:12 <carwynnelson> I do :P
15:15:50 <carwynnelson> To be honest I'll have to get used to doing more on a Laptop. I'm planning on moving to London in a year or two and apartments there aren't exactly big xD
15:16:52 <carwynnelson> certainly not big enough for a desktop setup
15:18:10 <jralls> A second monitor can help a lot if you have the space.
15:19:37 <jralls> And apartments in London can be spacious if you have the budget. We had a lovely one right across from the Science Museum for a vaca rental a few years ago. Darn near 700 ft^2, plenty of room for 4.
15:19:53 <carwynnelson> I'm quite lucky to have a decent sized 2 bedroom house at the moment, so I use my laptop for irc and music etc and then I dev on a desktop with 2 screens. But when I move to London I'll probably try and use something like a tv as a second monitor
15:20:07 <carwynnelson> Oh nice. Are you based in the UK jralls?
15:20:07 <jralls> Probably wouldn't want to spend that much for all year, though!
15:20:17 <jralls> No, Silicon Valley.
15:20:35 <carwynnelson> Ah nice. Literally the tech capital of the world :)
15:21:01 <jralls> TVs, even HiDef ones, suck as monitors.
15:21:25 <jralls> HiDef for a TV is decidedly low-def for a monitor.
15:21:26 <carwynnelson> I live in Chester atm and work in Liverpool but I would like to give a start up a go and London seems like the best place to do so in the UK
15:21:44 <carwynnelson> Absolutely. I suppose I'll have to see what I've got to work with when I move
15:22:00 <jralls> Yeah. We had a week in Islington last year. Quite a lot going on.
15:23:13 <jralls> But you could get a place out at the end of the Northern line for a lot less and not have too awful a commute.
15:24:50 <carwynnelson> Is it still cheaper with the commute factored in? To be honest I'm happy to pay a little more but live a bit more comfortably. I'm thinking of going with a house share for the first few months while I get used to London life and understand the local areas and then moving into something a little bigger.
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15:32:06 <jralls> I've never calculated that, and I don't actually know what a good-sized flat in say Barnett would go for. Lessee... a zone 1-5 Oyster card is £2248 for a year, so you'd need to save £190 on rent to pay for it.
15:36:24 <jralls> A 1 bedroom in Islinglton looks like around £1300. https://www.trulia.com/for_rent/Barnett,IL/1p_beds/ shows a 1900 ft^2 house "near Barnett" for £750. Yeah, looks like the difference would cover the tube fare.
15:36:51 <carwynnelson> Thanks for the advice :)
15:38:18 <jralls> Oh, wait, that's Barnett Illinois! Hell of a commute...
15:38:32 <carwynnelson> lol :P
15:40:28 <jralls> The only 1BR flat on the first hit in Barnett UK is £1175, so that's a closer call, particularly when you factor the time.
15:41:31 <carwynnelson> lmat: I'm a little confused. After the BSOD it actually seems to compile for me.
15:44:56 <lmat> carwynnelson: wow, not for me!
15:45:07 <carwynnelson> That's weird wording. What I mean is after my pc crashed and I restarted it I checked out master to make sure I didn't get the same error. I didn't so I switched branches and re-ran cmake and built and it worked. Just running make check to see if the tests pass (I hope they don't)
15:45:29 <carwynnelson> Either I'm doing something wrong (very likely the case) or my compiler is magic! xD
15:45:47 <carwynnelson> well what do you know - I get the same errors as you on make check.
15:46:27 <carwynnelson> Back to the conversion
15:48:11 <lmat> carwynnelson: Excellent.
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16:20:30 <carwynnelson> hehe
16:20:38 <carwynnelson> just found this comment in Account.c (now Account.cpp)
16:21:22 <carwynnelson> https://gist.github.com/CarwynNelson/aab36f55208e082dff2c2f45b201b4d0
16:49:04 <jralls> Yeah, dates back to the original xacc (the original name of GnuCash, for X (as in X11) Accounting) code from 20 years ago. C++ has changed a lot, and so has the rest of that file.
16:54:21 <carwynnelson> Yeah - I went back in the git history to the initial svn import and it looked a lot simpler
16:54:56 <carwynnelson> I have been wondering for a while what the xacc prefix meant
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19:03:16 <montezuma> Hi guys, does anyone know if gnucash is compatible with BBVA Compass bank in USA? I receive the same error every time I try to setup online banking.
19:18:28 <montezuma> this is the output: 18:16:38 Retrieving SSL certificate 18:16:38 Connecting to server... 18:16:59 Using GnuTLS default ciphers. 18:18:00 TLS Handshake Error: -53 (Error in the push function.) 18:18:00 Could not connect to server 18:18:00 Could not connect to server, giving up (-66) 18:18:00 Operation finished, you can now close this window.
19:18:54 <jralls> montezuma: It appears from https://www.bbvacompass.com/content/dam/bbva/usa/en/pdf/digitalservices/onlinebanking/setup_quicken2.pdf that it should be, but it looks like you need to connect with Quicken first to set up your PIM and Password.
19:20:50 <jralls> Ok, there's a problem with their SSL setup. They may be using SSL1, which they shouldn't be as it has been broken. GnuTLS no longer supports it.
19:26:49 <montezuma> hmmm thats interesting. is there anything in special settings that can get me around this?
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19:39:02 <jralls> Hmm, looks from a web search like it might be a GnuTLS problem. No, there aren't any settings for this, it's all really low-level stuff. What OS/Distro are you running?
19:40:08 <jralls> Another possibility: Do you have IPv6 enabled?
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19:52:11 <montezuma> using windows 7, I believe IPv6 is enabled by default but I'll check
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19:53:07 <montezuma> or actually, I think I need to enable that in my router
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23:32:02 <lmat> @tell jralls Here's a fun bug: in gnucash 2.6.11, it was possible to have kvp delimiters in keys. Now, when opening such a file with a key just "/", after making a Path (std::vector<std::string>), it's an empty path, so popping the last item on that vector breaks. Exciting!
23:32:02 <gncbot> lmat: The operation succeeded.