2017-10-20 GnuCash IRC logs

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01:22:01 <fell> How can I call the "Account Period Assistant"?
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02:49:20 <Chris> fell: interesting, never used this before -
02:49:20 <gncbot> Chris: Sent 4 days, 15 hours, and 26 minutes ago: <lmat> Good idea. Shedding light on this would be helpful for all involved.
02:50:32 <Chris> Actions > Scheduled Transactions > Mortgage & Loan Repayment... which seems to use some sophisticated formulas for long-term loans
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02:53:59 <fell> OK. I will rebuild with my updated translations and compare ...
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04:41:22 <fell> but that is assistent-loan
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04:55:06 <Chris> jralls: have struggled to launch 2.7.0 on win10 unfortunately. deleted/renamed .gnucash and AppData\Roaming\Gnucash profile dirs, to no avail. I haven't done install-onto-clean-windows. It just shows splash for up to 30-60s then quit. tracelog file is empty.
05:05:29 <Chris> fell: oops my mistake, this snippet seems dead unless CLOSE_BOOKS_ACTUALLY_WORKS is 1, as commented in https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/master/gnucash/gnome/assistant-acct-period.c#L29
05:12:50 <fell> Chris, I am currently on maint and it is there. If it is unused, can we add the glade file to potfiles.skip/ignore?
05:15:28 <Chris> im not a dev and don't know; it's dead because https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/src/gnome/gnc-plugin-basic-commands.c never actually defines CLOSE_BOOKS_ACTUALLY_WORKS - see all relevant calls to assistant-acct-period rely on an inert #ifdef
05:16:31 <fell> OK, thanks!
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05:19:16 <Chris> I'm really just a user with years of using basic bookkeeping, and learned scheme out of necessity to hack reports :)
05:25:57 <fell> gjanssens:src/engine/ScrubBusiness.c:522 says "http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Business_Features_Issues#Double_Posting", but the wiki says "https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Business_Features_Issues#Double_posting"
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05:26:19 <fell> which should I adjust
05:26:35 <fell> ?
05:28:25 <gjanssens> fell: well spotted :)
05:29:00 <gjanssens> As none of the other wiki subtitles have more than one capitalized word, I'd propose to change the entry in ScrubBusiness.c
05:29:16 <fell> OK
05:29:43 <fell> and switch to https?
05:29:56 <gjanssens> Chris: I haven't checked in this particular case, but CLOSE_BOOKS_ACTUALLY_WORKS can also be defined in the build scripts (CMakeLists.txt, Makefile.am) and picked up by the compiler while compiling that file.
05:30:06 <gjanssens> fell: yes, that would be better
05:34:18 <gjanssens> Chris: and as to getting 2.7.0 to run, this needs a few tweaks to the configuration files that get installed
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05:38:13 <gjanssens> (had to reboot because my system ran out of memory :( )
05:39:17 <gjanssens> Chris: I saw jralls pushed a few commits yesterday to this effect but these changes will only appear in the next nightly and 2.7.1
05:39:57 <gjanssens> The nightly needs intervention from warlord to fix the upload locations, but he hasn't had the opportunity yet to look at it.
05:40:25 <gjanssens> You can do the tweaks yourself in the current 2.7.0 installer if you like to try it:
05:43:10 <Chris> the guile 1.8->2.0 tweak? tried it, didn't work
05:44:21 <gjanssens> Ok, then there's probably still something else not right
05:48:24 <Chris> well 1.8 -> 2.0 pushed the crash some time later but still crashes, even after I wiped the profile directories. hence will await some more.
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06:23:34 <fell> Chris, why is the interest rate restricted to 0.001 - 100? If you deposit money at ECB, you might get -0.5%.
06:25:38 <fell> sorry, -0.4%. It is rising again.
06:29:06 <warlord> gjanssens: what's the issue with the nightlies?
06:29:41 <fell> warlord: Please delete code:public_html/win32/unstable and make a directory of the same name for unstable branch nightly builds.
06:29:58 <warlord> fell: yeah, I just noticed that. Fixed.
06:30:11 <fell> Nice!
06:33:42 <warlord> It'll help if I let the uploader write to it ;)
06:36:03 <gjanssens> warlord: you just fixed the issue I was referring to :)
06:38:45 <Chris> I've just noticed 2.7.0-2 and it's still not launching on Win10
06:41:04 <warlord> gjanssens: okay, great.
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07:40:00 <xmaka> gnucash is so mighty x_x
07:41:03 <xmaka> how could i start gnucash in another language then my system langauge?
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08:07:46 <gjanssens> xmaka: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Locale_Settings
08:07:56 <gjanssens> Which one applies to you depends on your operating system
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08:39:52 <carwynnelson> Hi. I'm trying to compile gnucash on a mac (using jhbuild) and I'm getting the following error:
08:40:11 <carwynnelson> *** Checking out gnucash *** [68/69]
08:40:11 <carwynnelson> bunzip2 -dc "/Users/carwynnelson/gtk/source/pkgs/gnucash-2.6.18.tar.bz2" | tar xf -
08:40:11 <carwynnelson> bunzip2: /Users/carwynnelson/gtk/source/pkgs/gnucash-2.6.18.tar.bz2 is not a bzip2 file.
08:40:12 <carwynnelson> *** Error during phase checkout of gnucash: could not unpack tarball (expected gnucash-2.6.18 dir) *** [68/69]
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08:43:49 <fell> carwynnelson: from where did you pull the file?
08:44:07 <fell> Are the chcksums OK?
08:44:23 <carwynnelson> it looks like the jhbuild build command is pulling it from sourceforge
08:44:42 <carwynnelson> if I try to untar it manually it seems to get the same error too
08:45:05 <carwynnelson> I'm trying to build the stable version first so that I know that I can compile it on my machine - before I move to compiling the unstable development version
08:46:43 <fell> Try to get it manual from SF and verify that.
08:46:55 <fell> -ly
08:47:18 <carwynnelson> will do
08:47:40 <carwynnelson> ah
08:47:41 <carwynnelson> that would do it xD
08:47:54 <carwynnelson> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/gnucash/stable/gnucash-2.6.18.tar.bz2 (where it appears to be downloading from) does not exist
08:48:27 <carwynnelson> 404
08:48:49 <carwynnelson> I'll try and download a release from github directly - see if that works
08:48:53 <fell> 404 is no bz2 file ;-)
08:50:05 <fell> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/2.6.18/gnucash-2.6.18-1.tar.bz2/download should work.
08:51:12 <carwynnelson> cheers - I'll give that a go
08:51:15 <fell> patch level 1
08:53:33 <carwynnelson> There we go - build is moving again. Thanks fell :)
08:54:01 <fell> welcome, carwynnelson!
08:54:21 <carwynnelson> thanks :) I've wanted to contribute to gnucash for a while but I could never get it to build under my mac
08:54:27 <carwynnelson> It's looking more promising now
08:58:18 <carwynnelson> there we go - successful build :)
08:58:36 <fell> Congrats!
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11:58:13 <sefnot> Reading the german wiki, do I need to recompile with --enable-locale-specific-tax? or is this deprecated?
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12:36:45 <fell> it has become default IIRC :-)
12:36:55 <fell> sefnot
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12:37:51 <sefnot> Ü
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12:38:16 <fell> Else loading SKR04 would crash.
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12:48:20 <finster> what is SKR04 ?
12:48:52 <finster> oh, got it
12:49:20 <fell> Standardkontenrahmen (der Datev)
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13:06:27 <carwynnelson> I've had success building gnucash-stable but now I want to build gnucash from the git repo so I can get a little closer to contributing
13:07:03 <carwynnelson> When running the autogen.sh script I'm getting an error about intltoolize not being found. It's supposed to be a part of libtool from what I can find on the internet but I have libtool installed
13:07:22 <carwynnelson> Any ideas how I can get this on my system?
13:10:36 <carwynnelson> ooh `brew install intltool` seemed to do the trick
13:12:08 <fell> carwynnelson: Pls search the wiki for building on MacOs
13:12:23 <carwynnelson> Hi fell - I was following the instructions on the wiki
13:12:30 <fell> Do not mix different build environments.
13:12:41 <carwynnelson> specifically this page https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/MacOSX/Quartz under "building for development
13:12:53 <codesmythe> carwynnelson: Generally, you'll want to configure your PATH to pickup the gnucash-stable/bin (or gnucash-unstable/bin) directory. inittoolize should be there
13:12:53 <gncbot> codesmythe: Sent 3 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, and 54 minutes ago: <jralls> Seems to work. I've committed and will push with the release commits.
13:13:01 <fell> Then it should be right,
13:15:53 <codesmythe> carwynnelson: Are you building under 'jbuild shell', which I thnk will set the PATH appropriately?
13:16:11 <carwynnelson> Yep
13:16:51 <carwynnelson> Although I don't have a bin folder right now under $PREFIX/bin
13:17:08 <carwynnelson> I had success building gnucash-stable so I'm too sure why I'm having problems building from maint
13:18:07 <carwynnelson> Hmm - probably going to be easier for me to boot up an Ubuntu vm and compile under Linux.
13:18:25 <codesmythe> Do you have a gnucash-stable/bin directory?
13:18:43 <carwynnelson> Yep
13:18:53 <codesmythe> Is inittoolize in there/
13:18:54 <codesmythe> ?
13:19:01 <carwynnelson> Though I built that by just running jhbuild build instead of using the jhbuild shell method explained on the wiki
13:19:12 <carwynnelson> it is
13:19:15 <fell> the tar contains a few files which are normally built.
13:20:32 <carwynnelson> I have changed my prefix to gnucash-git because I'm building a different version now
13:20:32 <carwynnelson> from source
13:20:45 <carwynnelson> which the documentation recommends - but of course that means that I don't have the binaries I built earlier
13:21:32 <carwynnelson> I'll switch back to gnucash-unstable and see what happens
13:22:23 <carwynnelson> There we go
13:22:42 <carwynnelson> that looks a lot better. I've got to pop off (on the train) but I'll be back on irc in a bit
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13:45:04 <gjanssens> fell: are you sure --enable-locale-specific-tax is deprecated ? From my reading of the code it should be set or the German oriented reports will not be made available
13:45:26 <gjanssens> Moreover it looks like the cmake based builds are ignoring this option
13:45:40 <gjanssens> (which should be corrected IMO)
13:46:28 <fell> gjanssens: IIRC it should be default
13:46:47 <gjanssens> It probably should indeed.
13:47:22 <gjanssens> I presume the German community has been testing this 'experimental' feature for quite some time now :)
13:47:30 <gjanssens> So any bugs with it would be fixed by now.
13:48:00 <gjanssens> To be fair, it really is a hack, which needs a better design and implementation at some point :(
13:48:18 <gjanssens> But it's not default in cmake for sure
13:48:31 <fell> If the option is disabled, loading SKR04 would crash GnuCash.
13:48:41 <gjanssens> Why ?
13:49:28 <fell> Because SKR04 has tax key set, which are defined in locale specific tax.
13:50:23 <fell> and yes, it was a copy and adjust of US
13:50:57 <fell> At some point we should move de_DE in its own directory,
13:51:19 <fell> but we might do some modularization before
13:51:54 <fell> eg. 3 dirs: comon, US and DE
13:52:03 <gjanssens> I meant even more than that. I think the choice of tax report to offer should not depend on the system locale. It should be a choice the user can make in the gui, like when configuring a book.
13:52:37 <gjanssens> Splitting it in separate subdirectories would still be done as well.
13:53:25 <gjanssens> Anyway, have you tested a default build (of either master, unstable or maint) without the configure option set and then load SKR04 ?
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13:54:05 <gjanssens> From my reading of the code and your assertion SKR04 requires it, I think it won't work atm.
13:55:28 <fell> Not recently.
13:56:50 <gjanssens> fell: FWIW, I'm trying this now as most of my recent builds were without the option.
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13:57:25 <gjanssens> It loads the SKR04 just fine. But where can I play with the tax keys (my German is not that fluent...)
13:57:52 <sefnot> I think the last option in the menu of bearbeiten
13:58:02 <sefnot> But I myself am trying to figure this out...
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13:59:05 <gjanssens> Right, that's it.
13:59:24 <gjanssens> Well, it doesn't crash, but all of the German-specific tax keys are missing.
13:59:39 <sefnot> so recompile Ü
14:00:08 <gjanssens> The whole page is read-only, and trying to add a new key will list US categories.
14:00:23 <gjanssens> sefnot: sure, but that's not my point :)
14:00:53 <sefnot> I mean I need to recompile.
14:01:20 <gjanssens> Oh, oops. I misunderstood :(
14:02:09 <fell> Start LANGUAGE=nl LANG=de_DE.utf-8 gnucash
14:02:38 <fell> Bewerken->Fiscale Instellingen
14:03:38 <gjanssens> Heh, that's a cool combination :)
14:04:30 <gjanssens> So what to do with the configure option: I'm tempted to drop it and make the locale specific tax implementation the only one for now.
14:04:56 <gjanssens> Would there be German users that would be offset because they have been relying on the us tax implementation you think ?
14:06:07 <gjanssens> That would be very odd IMO, but if so they would probably be upset if I make locale-specific behaviour the only one...
14:06:50 <gjanssens> Of course they could use a variation of your LANG/LANGUAGE trick to get the us tax info back...
14:06:59 <fell> Then they should start LANGUAGE=de LANG=C gnucash
14:07:08 <gjanssens> Indeed :D
14:07:37 <gjanssens> So let me drop this whole LOCALE_SPECIFIC_TAX condition thing.
14:08:03 <fell> yep
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14:15:47 <fell> The report is in Rapporten->Belastingsrapport & xml-export
14:15:48 <jralls> Chris: I know about the problems with the Win32 2.7.0 bundle, it's an active discussion on gnucash-user.
14:20:13 <gjanssens> fell, jralls: if I drop the LOCALE_SPECIFIC_TAX conditional, do you want configure to fail with an unknown option error when --enable-locale-specific-tax is set ? Or should I just silently ignore it and adjust the configure help to mark it as Obsolete ?
14:20:30 <gjanssens> We did the latter for one release cycle with --with-hml-engine
14:20:47 <jralls> c
14:22:06 <fell> Good Idea before we get questions
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14:22:13 <gjanssens> jralls: c ?
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14:22:57 <jralls> Sorry, wrong window...
14:23:05 <gjanssens> Ok :)
14:23:30 <jralls> Yeah, let's fail for unknown options.
14:26:00 <gjanssens> Well, turns out configure doesn't fail. It just prints a warning in the final summary about an unknown option...
14:26:19 <gjanssens> So that will have to do
14:31:34 <gjanssens> fell: I have never used the tax options, so can you quickly describe to me how it is supposed to work ? Just so I can verify my changes are working properly.
14:31:53 <gjanssens> The Belastingrapport & xml-export give an error here...
14:32:03 <gjanssens> But perhaps that's because I have not entered anything yet
14:32:40 <jralls> The failing thing may depend on the autoconf version, but warning will do.
14:33:04 <gjanssens> Also when I open Bewerktn->Fiscale Instellingen, the whole window is read-only except for the Bewerken button
14:33:20 <gjanssens> When I click that one, I can add extra tax keys.
14:33:51 <gjanssens> Unless I have started with LC_ALL=de_DE, the categories suggested while adding an extra tax key are the US tax keys.
14:34:06 <gjanssens> With LC_ALL set to de_DE, I get something German
14:34:25 <gjanssens> But I have no reference to evaluate what I see to be correct or not
14:36:02 * gjanssens is starting a rebuild on maint with the option set for comparison...
14:37:24 <fell> LANGUAGE=nl LANG=de_DE.utf8 gnucash # you should understand most
14:39:09 <fell> In Rekeningen display the Fiscale Informatie column
14:40:57 <fell> Bewerken, Fiscale Instellingen:select soort "...Umsatzsteuer"
14:42:06 <fell> Now Rekeningen displays the descciptions
14:43:22 <fell> I believe the sums of this side is currently the most useful.
14:43:52 <sefnot> Are the options set from archlinux PKGBUILD sane? ./configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --sysconfdir=/etc \ --libexecdir=/usr/lib --disable-schemas-compile --enable-ofx --enable-aqbanking
14:44:08 <sefnot> I will append --enable-locale-specific-tax
14:44:26 <fell> But there is also an Rapporten Belastingsrapport & xml export.
14:46:23 <fell> sefnot: For test purposes use another prefix
14:47:31 <fell> usr is for versions from your distri
14:48:43 <gjanssens> fell: thanks. So Bewerken->Fiscale informatie works the same on maint and after my option removal which is good.
14:49:07 <gjanssens> I'm still seeing the report fail after my option removal though.
14:49:30 <gjanssens> Next step is to revert and see if it's another unstable issue instead of my option removal.
14:50:03 <fell> which fail in the report?
14:51:17 <fell> When I switched to LANG=C the report disappeared.
14:53:21 <gjanssens> ERROR: In procedure module-lookup: Unbound variable: gnc:account-get-book
14:53:32 <gjanssens> Which seems totally unrelated to this option
14:54:05 <fell> I didn't see it in maint
14:54:11 <gjanssens> But rather a failure to load a certain module (guile or gncmod)
14:54:15 <gjanssens> No, maint works fine
14:55:05 <sefnot> https://pastebin.com/4iuWZzvv is this bad?
14:57:54 <gjanssens> fell: the error is the same when I revert my changes and build with --enable-locale-specific-tax so it must be unrelated.
14:58:22 <gjanssens> Probably the german tax report needs some tweaks to be compatible with the changes on master/unstable
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14:58:53 <gjanssens> I'll just go ahead and push my changes so far, which should make it easier for others to look at this.
14:59:54 <fell> sefnot: somehow you messed up your pathes
15:00:37 <fell> did you read the suggestions in the wiki?
15:03:27 <sefnot> No, I've just edited the archlinux package and recompile 2.6.18
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15:05:31 <gjanssens> jralls: during the master development cycle I sometimes added a release note snippet to the commit log.
15:05:57 <gjanssens> They are not included in the 2.7.0 release notes. Can you add them for 2.7.1 ?
15:06:15 <gjanssens> For your convenience, here are the commits I'm talking about:
15:06:52 <gjanssens> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/commit/ea7eaffd7ea2a2cc
15:06:53 <gjanssens> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/commit/5ef9b8121eb4e1e4
15:06:54 <gjanssens> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/commit/83f820400b6e935a
15:08:28 <jralls> Chris: Can you try changing line 62 of environment to GUILE_LOAD_COMPILED_PATH={SYS_LIB}/gnucash/scm/ccache/2.0;{SYS_LIB}/guile/2.0/ccache;{GUILE_COMPILED_LIBS};{GUILE_LOAD_COMPILED_PATH} ?
15:09:22 <jralls> Chris: The added bit is "{SYS_LIB}/guile/2.0/ccache;".
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15:19:27 <jralls> gjanssens_afk: I didn't (and still haven't) come up with a good way to filter the changes specific to master from the ones merged in from maint and I didn't want to list all of the 1025 bugs we've fixed in 2.6.x.
15:20:26 <jralls> gjanssens_afk: So I'll add the notes on those three to NEWS and update the announcements on the web page and Github. Will that be OK?
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15:23:52 <sefnot> is there any german documentation on tax report options?
15:25:44 <fell> Dazu gab es Diskussionen auf der Mailingliste gnucash-de
15:26:36 <fell> Im deutschen Teil des Wiki's könnte noch was dazu stehen
15:27:34 <fell> Die derzeitige Version hilft eigenlich nur, wenn man monatlich eine UStVA nachen muß.
15:30:39 <fell> Da es inzwischn zusätzliche Felder gibt, könnnte man auch ESt anlegen...
15:34:17 <fell> Ttravis did not complain about my work of this week, so I can go to bed now. CU!
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15:41:47 <sefnot> fell_afk: die UStVA ist mein derzeitiges Ziel.
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16:30:42 <sefnot> How do I get the german Umsatzsteuer in Edit>Tax Report Options>Income Tax Identity>Type
16:30:52 <sefnot> I only have us personal income tax, etc...
16:33:32 <sefnot> in german Bearbeiten>Optionen Steuerbericht>Art der Steuererklärung>Typ
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17:05:50 <gjanssens> jralls: yes that would be fine
17:08:41 <jralls> gjanssens: After I posted that I did figure out how to get just the bugs fixed on unstable. There are 39 of them. Think I should list them all?
17:17:42 <sefnot> Is my problem that the german tax file is not loaded?
17:24:47 <gjanssens> jralls: We do it for the stable releases, so why not for unstable/2.8 ?
17:24:56 <gjanssens> Anyway, I'm off to bed.
17:24:59 <gjanssens> Good night!
17:25:31 <jralls> Only because it's a rather long list.
17:26:20 <gjanssens> 39 is reasonable IMO for a big release
17:26:51 <gjanssens> But a summary if new features should be on top I suppose
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17:46:36 <sjk> Hello
17:48:16 <sjk> I'm considering throwing my stocks and mutual funds into gnucash, but I'm a bit confused, partly about the "type" (AMEX, EUREX, etc).
17:48:46 <sjk> Is this feature of Gnucash's aimed toward users in the US only?
17:49:31 <sjk> I'm in Sweden, do you reckon it'll be inconvenient for me to use Gnucash to track this? I'm already using it to track other parts of my personal finances and it works great...
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18:00:15 <jralls> gjanssens: 5ef9b8/Bug 766200 was committed to maint and your comment was in the release notes for 2.6.13.
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18:06:43 <carwynnelson> are any of you guys building gnucash using cmake on a mac?
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18:55:42 <Chris> jralls: adding {SYSLIB}/etc works better - reaches the Since Last Run window which doesn't paint, and same crash. tracelog = "CRIT <Glib> g_key_file_free: assertion 'key_file != NULL failed'
18:59:09 <jralls> Chris: Thnkas, I don't think I've tested anything with SX on any platform yet. Trying now in the debugger.
19:03:06 <Chris> jralls: just tested 'create new file' does launch now, damn it looks gooood
19:03:31 <jralls> Aside from SLR crashing, anyway...
19:07:43 <Chris> just tried my income-gst.scm - works fine. took 30s to compile for the first time, after that it's nice and responsive across relaunches.
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