2017-10-13 GnuCash IRC logs
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12:42:59 <fell> Hi, Mechtilde!
12:43:14 <Mechtilde> fell hello
12:43:17 <fell> I am just reviewing de.po
12:43:44 <fell> Many accellerators are suboptimal.
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12:45:24 <fell> I found a few mistakes, but most time consuming is the documentation, where the MsgIds need improvement. ;-)
12:46:57 <fell> So, don't be confused, if the next version contains a bunch of Fixme comments.
12:47:14 <Mechtilde> what do you mean with " accellerator"
12:47:37 <Mechtilde> leo.org don't know it
12:48:11 <fell> The underlines before the hotkeys.
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12:51:23 <fell> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation#Special_characters_and_other_tips
12:52:07 <Mechtilde> yes thats right, I had a try to pick up the right one but this need more experience than I have to do so
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12:54:12 <fell> On one screen I have the program open and then start a list, then search the entries...
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12:59:56 <jralls> lmat: WRT Kvp & GValue, not really. We want to bottle up Kvp so that it's an implementation detail ideally in the backend, meaning that the parameters should be normal members of engine classes. Getting there is part of rewriting the engine classes in C++.
13:03:47 <jralls> lmat: As for GValue, eww, no. GValue is a hack almost as horrid as GObject. I used it to hide KVP as much as I could outside of engine as an interim measure.
13:08:13 <jralls> lmat: The C++ gurus from Stroustrup on down recommend that std::vector is the only container one should use except in extraordinary circumstances; all of the others are based on linked lists which perform badly on modern cached processor architectures. Other containers should be used only based on profiling evidence.
13:10:57 <jralls> lmat: WRT the conversion of account info in imap from name to GUID, it will be necessary for as long as we intend to load 2.6-and-earlier files in 2.8-and-later.
13:13:45 <fell> jralls, perhaps you should write it in https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/CodingStandard, too?
13:14:13 <jralls> fell: The bit about containers?
13:14:25 <fell> yep
13:15:50 <fell> So if someone sees form a and form b, he can decide, we a going from x to y.
13:16:45 <fell> ... b in the sources,...
13:20:47 <jralls> I don't think we want to turn the coding standard wiki page into a text on how to write C++. Maybe incorporate https://www.worldcat.org/title/c-coding-standards-101-rules-guidelines-and-best-practices/oclc/838906286 by reference?
13:36:44 <jralls> fell: WRT travis build 1393.3 it looks like a problem initializing app-utils. I just told it to try again; if it fails we'll need lmat to look into his arch/autotools docker since that's the only one that fails.
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13:39:25 <fell> OK
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14:43:49 <fell> Good Night!
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17:39:22 <jralls> warlord: Can you check on a gnucash-user subscription request from tblackley@hushmail.com?
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21:16:27 <lmat> jralls: Thanks for that. Yes, std::vector, I'm with you there. The tests for the conversion from account names to guids are interestingly robust. Is it likely that we'll see books with imap information that has some accounts in GUIDs already, and some with account names?
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21:31:51 <lmat> Hmm, perhaps... if a new set of books is created in, say, 2.8, and some accounts and bayes data are created, they will be created with GUIDs in imap info. Then, when the user opens the books again, the "run once" value is *not* set, so the bayes imap data will need to be converted. Of course, the conversion should be a no-op at that point.
21:33:54 <lmat> If that's the only circumstance under which the conversion may run with GUIDs already in place, the solution is simple: when creating a new set of books, set the "run once" value so that the conversion never happens.
21:34:18 <lmat> But then again, it's not a big deal not to know whether GUIDs are already in place ahead of time...
21:39:57 <lmat> jralls: Oh yeah, I don't know if I've said, I'm working on solving that problem Robert Fewell pointed out in the bayes matching. Since keywords are allowed to have the kvp delimiter in them, and changing the kvp delimiter is a bit out of my reach at the moment, I decided to simply change any instance of the delimiter in the bayes keywords to "-".
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21:41:26 <lmat> jralls: So, if the description was New/Health, it will be changed to New-Health. The only problem I see with this approach is that if there is also already a "New-Health" description, it will get the same bayes weighting. That clash seems minor enough to be acceptable to me. Do you see any pitfalls here?
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23:47:47 <Chris> lmat: nothing technical to add from my end, except gratitude that this is being fixed. May I ask however how things are currently being done, and your proposed fix in pseudocode? I'm sure gnucash-devel will be able to offer suggestions