2017-08-01 GnuCash IRC logs

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01:25:28 <Mechtilde> in Debian Gnucash 2.6.17 was removed
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10:17:08 <guy> Hi! Could someone help me out with the billing/payments in Gnucash? I've tried to add A/Receivable account under assets (and everywhere else for that matter) as per instructed here: https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.6/C/gnucash-help/busnss-ar-components1.html - But I can't process the bills, Gnucash just tells me it can't find the A/Receivable account and it's
10:17:18 <guy> grayed out. Any help would be appreciated!
10:17:52 <guy> Or am I looking at this all wrong, maybe I should just import the transactions directly?
10:18:42 <guy> Hope this is the right place to ask, I'm kind of desperate here :)
10:18:55 <warlord> guy: A/Receivable is for Customer Invoices. Vendor Bills require an A/Payable
10:19:38 <warlord> Also, are you sure the currency matches?
10:22:18 <guy> Hmm, ah ok, that might explain it. Currency should be ok. Do I need to add something in the Vendor tax for it to handle VAT and such properly?
10:22:25 <guy> And thanks :)
10:22:55 <warlord> You need to set up your tax tables and then in the vendor bill you need to mark the line-items as taxable apply the tax table.
10:27:06 <guy> I think I've got that right, now the bill shows the VAT correctly and everything, but when I try to process it the info is all wrong.
10:27:55 <guy> And the payment account window is grayed out
10:28:22 <warlord> What do you mean by "when I try to process it the info is all wrong"?
10:34:08 <guy> Sorry I'm currently using the Finnish translation and I'm new to this, so the terms might be a bit off. I meant I have the bill open, it shows the VAT correctly, then I press the 'Pay Bill' button in the upper right corner and the info in that window just shows 0€ as the bill total. But I figured it out, I have to import the transaction to the account before
10:34:10 <guy> I can pay it
10:34:16 <warlord> Also, what do you mean by :the payment account window"? Can you create a screen shot and upload to someplace like imagebin?
10:34:44 <guy> As described here http://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.6/C/gnucash-help/busnss-ap-bills1.html
10:34:46 <warlord> You have to post the bill to A/P before you can pay it.
10:34:58 <guy> Yeah, I figured that out, thanks!
10:34:58 <warlord> Did you successfully post the bill?
10:36:06 <guy> Yes, great! Is there another way to handle the bills though, i.e. mass import / process them, or do I have to look at each bill separately?
10:37:02 <warlord> Bills like this are generally for delayed payments.
10:37:13 <warlord> You cannot "import" transactions for bills.
10:37:43 <guy> Ok, so what if I take eg. my bank statement and want to import all the bills, is there a smart way to go about doing that?
10:37:46 <warlord> For me, even for my company I never used the Bill system, only Invoices. Bills are relatively heavy-weight for most things
10:37:57 <warlord> Dont use Bills.
10:38:01 <guy> Yeah, it seems a bit overkill
10:38:02 <warlord> You cannot import bills like that.
10:38:21 <warlord> However, if you want Automatic VAT split-out, you need to use Bills.. and you need to manually input them.
10:39:35 <gjanssens> There is an import option for bills, contributed by mikee if I'm not mistaken
10:39:42 <guy> That's what I was aiming for, but I guess I'll just add separate VAT transactions then somehow, or how do you handle VAT?
10:39:50 <gjanssens> However this will not let you import directly from a bank statement
10:39:56 <warlord> No VAT here in the US.
10:40:00 <gjanssens> That wouldn't make sense either
10:40:03 <warlord> But you can just add VAT splits manually
10:40:07 <guy> Yeah, I managed to import my 60+ bills but now I'm stuck with them and need to handle them manually :P
10:40:15 <warlord> Yep.
10:40:27 <warlord> I dont think "bill" means what you think it means.
10:40:38 <gjanssens> Indeed
10:40:45 <guy> Yeah, I guess my terminology is not quite accurate
10:41:29 <guy> Hmm, anyway, I guess I'll just create an excel sheet to separate the VAT transactions and import them separately
10:41:41 <guy> Appreciate the input
10:42:35 <warlord> guy: no, you dont want that.
10:42:43 <warlord> You want VAT as a split off your normal transactions.
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10:42:48 <warlord> VAT is not "separate"
10:43:11 <guy> Ah, so use the split feature? I haven't gotten that far in the manual yet
10:44:20 <warlord> Yes
10:47:31 <guy> Ok, I'll get back to it. Thanks again.
10:49:53 <warlord> You're welcome.
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11:42:48 <gour> hello, one queszion about budgets...
11:43:55 <gour> if i want to create budget for e.g. 2017, starting with Jan 1st until the end of the years with 12 monthly periods, which date should i put in the Estimation dialog so that GC will proeprly learn from my past transactions? the docs in regard is not 100% clear to me :-(
11:45:50 <gour> i also do not know how to remove old budgets?
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12:28:29 <warlord> i dont know if you can remove budgets/.
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12:35:58 <gour> @warlord: what about valu e for estimated amounts?
12:35:58 <gncbot> gour: Error: "warlord:" is not a valid command.
12:36:10 <gour> warlord: what about valu e for estimated amounts?
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12:39:45 <gour> this is not clear to me: "In the Estimate Budget Values dialog, select the date past which GnuCash should look for past transactions."
12:42:11 <gour> e.g. if i put 1.1.2017. will GC consider all the transactions before that date?
12:45:59 <warlord> no clue. ive never used budgets
12:46:22 <gour> ok. ta
12:46:31 <warlord> I think if you put 1.1.2017 it will look for all transactions AFTER that date.
12:47:32 <gour> hmmm....how does it make sense if the budget is for 2017 and there ae 5 months ahead which are still empty?
12:48:15 <gour> and the docs before says: "If you have past transactions recorded in GnuCash, the second way is to let GnuCash estimate the budget values by looking at those transactions."
12:48:54 <gour> in any case, a bit confusing to me...let's hope someone else is budget-user :-)
12:48:57 <warlord> right. You could have it look at, say, 1.1.2016 - 1.1.2017
12:49:18 <warlord> Then you can compare that to 2017 use
12:49:36 <gour> the best it maybe to experiment a bit...
12:50:20 <warlord> Yeah. Copy your data file and then work in the copy to play
12:50:27 <warlord> Feel free to update the wiki with your findings :)
12:50:35 <gour> ;)
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