2017-05-01 GnuCash IRC logs
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04:36:25 <guolei> I want to use python in GnuCash, but When I "import gnucash", output "ImportError: no module named gnucash". How do I get the module gnucash?
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04:42:09 <mikee> guolei: You will likely have to add the path to the modules
04:42:40 <mikee> on my machine It's : sys.path.append('/home/mikee/progs/gnucash-master/lib/python2.7/site-packages')
04:43:35 <mikee> But that's because I've installed to a non-standard location. (Linux, obviously)
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05:05:10 <guolei> Thanks I found it.
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06:54:03 <gjanssens> .
06:54:03 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 1 day, 18 hours, and 37 minutes ago: <jralls> OK. We'll need to figure out how to manage passing GncDates at some point.
06:54:04 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 1 day, 15 hours, and 16 minutes ago: <jralls> I had a thought about the bootstrap for the new MinGW64 build environment: Can we use inno-setup to create a bootstrap.exe that's both easier to configure (nice Wizard) and evades the PowerShell Script security issue?
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09:34:09 <troker> Does anyone here have any experience setting up Open Financial Exchange (OFX) on a Bank of America account?
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09:34:17 <troker> Or any other account for that matter
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09:50:11 <Aussie_matt> hi, I'm now using 2.6.15 in the testing repo for magiea, should be able to push it to stable if no problems arise! Only used it for maybe 2 hrs, but it's very, very nice! Love how it predicts entries. Great work devs!
09:50:33 <Aussie_matt> gjanssens: ^^^^
09:51:12 <warlord> troker: have you tried the Wiki? Or OFXHome?
09:51:26 <warlord> Aussie_matt: thanks.
09:52:13 <Aussie_matt> warlord: I use MYOB (it's australian) for my business, it's not as smooth as gnucash
09:54:59 <warlord> I'm sure it has some things that are easier and some things that are harder.
09:57:22 <gjanssens> Aussie_matt: glad you like it and thanks for your efforts to get a more recent version into mageia!
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09:58:46 <Aussie_matt> gjanssens: once it's in stable, I'll talk to who ever manages you're gnucash website to update the the mandriva bit.... mandriva's been gone quite a while RIP
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10:45:00 <troker> warlord, I tried ofxHome but seems the website is down?
10:45:20 <troker> Is there any other good resource online? Everyone seems to say "go to ofxhome"
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10:50:18 <warlord> troker: huh. interesting.
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11:10:47 <troker> warlord, is there a cache of the directory somewhere? I'm trying to get it via google. This site just hold the OFX address of banks right? Thats all I would need.
11:10:55 <troker> (I think)
11:13:55 <warlord> try the google cache
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12:09:07 <gjanssens> jralls: using inno to create some kind of bootstrap.exe is an interesting thought. To investigate when we start the mingw64 port.
12:09:54 <gjanssens> jralls: as for my previous claim to get by without copy semantics on GncDate - well that claim was wrong :(
12:11:55 <gjanssens> So next step is to implement deep copy constructor and assignment operators...
12:14:43 <warlord> gjanssens, jralls --- I've only marginally been following Wm's comments about the "immutability" change that went into 2.6.16.. What's up with that? Is his analysis correct that you cannot change account types?
12:16:18 <gjanssens> warlord: you can't any more if the account already has splits. This was the result of an attempt to fix https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=603379
12:16:33 <gjanssens> Unfortunately the fix is too strict, so Wm is correct
12:16:49 <gjanssens> I've already reopened the bug and added my thoughts
12:16:53 <warlord> gjanssens: I was going to say... yeah, that's way too strict a change.
12:18:01 <jralls> Eh, I think it's only a little too strict.
12:18:19 <gjanssens> It should have been implemented that only account types with the same commodity/currency are selectable instead of none at all
12:19:10 <gjanssens> And you should be able to switch to/from business account types
12:19:26 <gjanssens> All restrictions only apply when there are already splits in the account.
12:19:26 <warlord> *nods*
12:19:28 <jralls> Well, that would have limited the fix to the topic of the bug. But moving an account from say Assets to Liabilities will make a mess too.
12:19:56 <gjanssens> jralls: how so ?
12:20:15 <warlord> I see nothing wrong with moving from Asset to Liability if the currency is the same.
12:20:44 <jralls> Consider the effect on the balance sheet.
12:21:40 <jralls> Assets and Liabilities are opposite in sign, so the book won't balance any more.
12:21:43 <warlord> What effect? It'll still be in balance, it would just move the amount from one section to a negative in the other section.
12:22:01 <warlord> Sure it will, because the debit/credit would remain the same..
12:23:20 <warlord> it just moves it to the other column
12:23:20 <warlord> (or section)
12:25:07 * jralls is launching 2.6.15 for a test.
12:27:10 <warlord> Thank you.
12:33:22 <jralls> You're right.
12:34:50 <warlord> Phew
12:36:04 <jralls> Even changing a cash account to an expense account keeps the book in balance, though obviously a lower balance.
12:36:04 <gjanssens> jralls: with this knowledge, what should we do with https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=548021 ?
12:36:47 <gjanssens> warlord states in that bug the data loss is not due to changing account type but due to changing commodity
12:37:16 <gjanssens> So we probably shouldn't worry about account types other than the business accounts ?
12:38:06 <gjanssens> I believe those keep additional information not typically in the other account types.
12:38:36 <warlord> Well, I disagree with jralls' statement that account types should not be mutable.
12:40:31 <warlord> My view is that GnuCash is a tool that has lots of rope lying around in various places where users could build a noose.. Those corner cases are relatively rare, and in places where joe average user isn't playing around (i.e., I dont think Joe Average User is going around changing their stock accounts to a bank account -- why would you even attempt that?) Well, there MAY be reasons to do it, but disallowing the change is, IMHO, too strict.
12:41:07 <jralls> warlord: I understand why you disagree from a computational standpoint, but I think from a real-life standpoint that changing one's checking account to a Liability or an Expense account makes no sense.
12:41:45 <jralls> Obviously one user did change a stock account to a bank account.
12:42:40 <jralls> But blocking account changes that would result in a change of commodity will still prevent that and so prevent the data loss.
12:45:40 <gjanssens> jralls: the question here is are there any account type changes that can result in an implicit change of commodity ? Or is changing commodity always the user has to perform explicitly ?
12:46:01 <gjanssens> If so we should only be concerned with preventing the user from changing commodity.
12:46:32 <jralls> gjanssens: Yes, STOCK & FUND are forced to non-currency commodities and all other types are forced to currency commodities.
12:47:00 <gjanssens> Ok that's the part I wasn't sure about.
12:49:14 <jralls> But I bet it changes only Account::commodity_guid and Account::commodity_name, not the fields in the lot management KVP.
12:49:21 <warlord> jralls: STOCK & FUND are forced to non-currency commodities only in the New Account Dialog. In the Account Hierarchy Assistant you can (last I checked) still create a STOCK/FUND account with a currency commodity.
12:50:53 <warlord> jralls: It would be interesting to go back and find out why that user did that in the first place. I can certainly see reasons to change from Asset to Expense if, for example, you were booking something you thought was a reimbursible but really it's an expense.
12:52:19 <jralls> warlord: Not just the New Account dialog but (germane to this discussion) the Edit Account Dialog. If you change a STOCK account to type ASSET the dialog blanks the Security/currency field and offers only currencies when you click "Select".
12:53:42 <warlord> jralls: sure.
12:53:42 <jralls> That logic is probably in the dialog code so it's not enforced on the account hierarchy templates.
12:53:49 <warlord> right.
12:55:18 <jralls> In your reimbursable example that would make sense to change the transfer account for the split, not the whole account full of reimbursables.
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13:06:20 <jralls> Part of the problem, I think, is that we have too many account types for which there are no functional differences. Maybe we should just have asset, liability, income, expense, and equity. The register-with-values display could be triggered by commodity type rather than by account type or even by any commodity that isn't the book commodity.
13:09:27 <gjanssens> True. Having too many account types was another side remark of Wm.
13:13:42 <gjanssens> And thinking more about this it does indeed make sense to display values also for non-book currency accounts.
13:15:20 <jralls> Yeah, a few folks who dabble in foreign exchange speculation have whined about that over the years.
13:17:35 <warlord> jralls: the "functional difference" is the displayed headers that make more sense in context.
13:18:22 <jralls> Displayed where?
13:19:00 <jralls> Do you mean the alternative names for the Debit and Credit columns?
13:31:18 <jralls> gjanssens: Re the mingw64 build system, that's what I'm taking up now. IIUC that's what's blocking the merge of gtk3 into master and the sooner we get that done the better. I've no doubt that there will be kinks and we need to get it out there for wider testing.
13:41:08 <gjanssens> jralls: good
13:41:25 <gjanssens> How is your webkit build on OSX/Quarz going ?
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14:01:13 <warlord> jralls: yes, that's what I mean (sorry for the long delays -- I'm in meetings and need to pay attenion IRL)
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14:05:10 <MrKeuner> hi, trying to import an OFX file from Schwab. This is a 401K account for those familiar with it. For each commodity in my account, GNUCash is displaying a dialog box named Select security/currency which is actually asking two questions... Type: and a Security/Currency: Where can I read what these are?
14:09:08 <jralls> MrKeuner: http://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.6/C/gnucash-guide/chapter_invest.html
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15:27:32 <gil> Hello
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16:12:11 <MrKeuner> jralls, thank you
16:12:20 <jralls> N.P.
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18:21:13 <Derperperd> how do i make gnucash look less ugly on osx?
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18:29:51 <Derperperd> nevermind, just had to make ~/.gtkrc-2.0.gnucash
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