2017-04-24 GnuCash IRC logs
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00:10:06 <stevecoh1_> Can anyone help a newbie get online access to his Chase accounts? Trying to get away from Quicken. If I can't get one bank set up, this is not going to work.
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00:53:48 <gr8kodr> where has the wiki GnuCash Trac content moved to? within the left top menu, the link still exists as "svn.gnucash.org/trac" but that opens to a 404 page
00:56:47 <gr8kodr> ... additionally, I don't has sufficient permissions to fix menu links (so far as I know), nor do I particularly want them, I would rather just advise of 'global' 404 links here and let those who know here the links should point make any needed corrections :)
00:58:08 <gr8kodr> oops, typo ^^^ *where the links ...", not "here the links ..."
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07:49:03 <stevecoh1_> Can anyone help a newbie get online access to his Chase accounts? Trying to get away from Quicken. If I can't get one bank set up, this is not going to work.
07:53:16 <stevecoh1_> Is this still true: OFX access may need to be enabled by visiting https://resources.chase.com/secure/CustomerCenter.aspx Customer Center / Reference Center / Tools / Activate Money, Quicken, etc. $9.95/month Access Fee. If so, I may as well stick with Quicken.
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09:00:48 <gjanssens> .
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09:28:24 <Robert> Hi. I am using release 2.6.15 in windows. I am in a bank account register, after waking my computer up from sleep. I want to move the highlight to a different transaction from whereever it is now, but I do not see it when I scroll through the register. I get a message that the transaction is changed, but I don't know if it is a change that I want
09:28:48 <Robert> How can I find the edited transaction?
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09:41:00 <Robert> I just figured out that using the up or down arrow key will either bring the window back to the transaction or again trigger the accept edit message. Where is that information in the manual?
09:41:56 <Robert> It is not in the Help Manual under Editing a Transaction.
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12:19:51 <jralls_afk> gr8kodr: We don't use trac anymore. Code browsing is best done from the github repo, https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash.
12:20:45 <jralls_afk> gr8kodr: If fell gave you edit priv (and he should have, there's not much point to having a wiki account otherwise) you should be able to edit anything on a page.
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12:26:08 <fell> (edit) is granted by emailconfirmed.
12:26:46 <fell> Yes, we verify the email 3 times.
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12:29:22 <fell> the group emailconfirmed is a relict from the times, when new users did not need confirmation by admins.
12:29:43 <gjanssens> jralls_afk: fyi I have poked some more at the double free earlier today with no success. I just don't see how a double free can happen as I'm not invoking any free/delete myself.
12:29:56 <gjanssens> So I'd rather have expected a memory leak than a double-free.
12:30:40 <gjanssens> I don't understand the vector internal memory management enough to make sense of this I'm afraid.
12:30:58 <gjanssens> Did you see anything ?
12:32:42 <jralls_afk> gjanssens: I'm working on that right now. It appears that the GncDateFormat destructors are getting called at the end of the creation of c_formats.
12:34:03 <gjanssens> jralls_afk: I saw that as well. I interpreted this as them deleting a temporary GncDateFormat as we're using copy construction.
12:34:04 <jralls_afk> I've got to go for a dentist appointment in about 1/2 hour, so I probably won't be able to finish until this afternoon/your bedtime.
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12:34:51 <jralls_afk> Uh, no, we're not using copy construction.
12:34:56 <gjanssens> That's ok. I have plenty of other things to do...
12:35:42 <jralls_afk> We're trying to construct the GncDateFormats inside the vector and it isn't working. The vector seems to be storing a ptr.
12:37:44 <gjanssens> The vector is constructed using an initializer list.
12:38:04 <jralls_afk> Yes....
12:38:08 <gjanssens> http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/vector/vector/vector/ says in that case the vector is constructed by copying each element in the initializer list
12:38:31 <gjanssens> So at the end of the vector initialization I'd expect the original elements in the list to be destroyed ?
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12:41:19 <gjanssens> I also find the vector can be used perfectly as the unit test passes. It's only at the end of the run (in program cleanup) the double free/corruption abort happens.
12:41:58 <jralls_afk> Ah. That explains the problem then. It's going to be a shallow copy. This version of gcc appears not to do small-string optimization so the actual contents of the strings are on the heap and the shallow copy copies only the ptrs to those contents. They're freed when the destructors are called and so the second time the destructors are called from the vector's destructor it barfs.
12:42:44 <jralls_afk> That's only because the heap memory happens not to have been overwritten by something else.
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12:43:48 <jralls_afk> I don't know offhand how to do it on Linux, but turning on scribbling, which writes a pattern to freed memory, should cause the tests to fail.
12:44:24 <gjanssens> I'll try to figure that out.
12:45:00 <gjanssens> More importantly though would be how to implement it then that this doesn't happen ? How to force deep copy ?
12:47:45 <jralls_afk> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8467049/c-stl-string-copy-constructor-always-a-deep-copy says it's supposed to, so maybe we just need to provide a copy constructor.
12:48:02 <jralls_afk> Sorry, a copy constructor for GncDateFormat.
12:51:59 <gjanssens> jralls_afk: isn't there one by default ?
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12:52:22 <gjanssens> Or do you mean we should write our own ?
12:52:23 <jralls_afk> Yes, but it's apparently not doing the right thing.
12:52:54 <jralls_afk> I just added a basic one. It still crashes so I'm debugging it now.
12:52:59 <gjanssens> ok
12:53:30 <gjanssens> I'll stop bugging you :)
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13:05:20 <jralls_afk> gnomey: You're flooding the channel again. Fix it ASAP or you'll get banned again.
13:07:49 <jralls_afk> gjanssens: No, I'm all wet. The GncDateFormat destructor is getting called twice during exit handling. *And* for some reason the initialization of c_formats is creating two sets of GncDateFormats and they're both getting destroyed (correctly) at the end of the init.
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13:13:33 <jralls_afk> Interesting. It seems that c_formats is trying to destroy more GncDateFormats than it has... this will taks some more digging, but it's time for me to go.
13:14:11 <gjanssens> Ok. See you later.
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13:29:18 <fell> I reviewed the wiki sidebar. Do you like it, warlord, jralls_aft, gjanssen, gr8koder?
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13:32:59 <gjanssens> fell: as it's hard to compare with what was there before: what changed ?
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13:50:56 <fell> gjanssen: I replaced trac by github and added bugzilla and the header "Related Sites"
13:51:24 <bunk3m> Q: Should we be reporting bugs to github or bugzilla?
13:51:35 <fell> and the related urls
13:51:56 <fell> only tu bugzilla
13:53:34 <bunk3m> @fell Thx will do
13:53:34 <gncbot> bunk3m: Error: "fell" is not a valid command.
14:03:52 <gjanssens> fell: its gjanssens by the way. I missed your message directed at me twice because you omitted the trailing 's' :)
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14:04:36 <fell> Oh sorry
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14:07:36 <gjanssens> fell: looks good. Only sitesupport should probably point at http://gnucash.org/donate.phtml to also show the European bank account.
14:08:06 <gjanssens> And it's not having a fancy title like the others. It's just "sitesupport", no more
14:09:08 <fell> Good Idea. And do you have some better wordening for sitesupport?
14:09:44 <fell> Donations?
14:10:38 <gjanssens> That would do just fine IMO
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14:14:10 <fell> Or "Contributing to GnuCash" as starting page, which in section Money links again to donations
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14:18:34 <fell> Gjanssens?
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15:16:25 <gjanssens> fell: Sorry, I was called away for diner.
15:17:33 <fell> I hope, it tasted ;-)
15:17:34 <gjanssens> Personally I would keep Contributing separate from Donations. But you could add both links in the related pages section perhaps ?
15:17:45 <gjanssens> It did :D
15:19:00 <fell> It is still place there, depending on your resolution
15:21:00 <fell> But we should delay the change of Mediawiki:sitesupport-url until www is back in service.
15:21:28 <gjanssens> fell: www is back. It has been for about a week
15:21:55 <gjanssens> I don't understand your previous observation though: It is still place there, depending on your resolution
15:22:21 <gjanssens> When discussing Contributing vs Donating I was only thinking about the side bar
15:22:22 <fell> of your monitor
15:22:43 <gjanssens> Obviously donating is some form of contributing so it can be on the Contributing to gnucash page...
15:23:11 <gjanssens> I don't see "Contributing to GnuCash" in the sidebar. Should I ?
15:23:47 <gjanssens> There's only the sitesupport link on my page (between GnuCash Website and GnuCash Github links)
15:23:50 <fell> No, I wathced my mailbox in between.
15:25:37 <fell> Should we link via http: or https:
15:26:30 <gjanssens> Good question. Isn't https preferred these days ?
15:26:45 <gjanssens> If https is supported for the other side of the link.
15:26:53 <fell> I think so
15:27:30 <gjanssens> But I see I can (and by default apparently do) access both www and wiki over http
15:28:23 <gjanssens> Are we confident enough in our tls configuration to insert automatic redirects/rewrites to https in the webserver configuration ?
15:29:38 <fell> A question for warlord
15:31:00 <gjanssens> Indeed
15:32:59 <gr8kodr> jralls_afk: I wasn't looking to browse code (I have that already), I just wanted to fix the link up so other's are pointed to correct landing page :) I can edit the page, but not sure if I can edit the template which is where the "main" left menu appears ... is 5:30 AM here though, will look into a bit more later in the day
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15:34:52 <fell> gr8kodr:I *believe*, normal users can not edit the Mediawiki pages, so I started already.
15:35:23 <fell> just relaod to see the interim result.
15:41:12 <gr8kodr> fell: just checked http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Account_Hierarchy_Template ... broken link is gone away now :D
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15:44:09 <fell> Nice
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15:52:02 <warlord> gjanssens: I'm confident on code.
15:52:07 <warlord> I can't answer for Linas about www
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16:31:58 <jralls> gnomey, you were warned.
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16:44:52 <warlord> hopefully his IPv6 address wont change
16:46:04 <fell> gjanssens: in http://gnucash.org/donate.phtml?lang=en_US ' Bank Code ' means BIC?
16:52:16 <gjanssens> fell: yes. SWIFT/BIC would probably be a better description. Feel free to update the page
16:54:13 <fell> I think 'Bank Identifier Code (BIC)' will make clear, it is issued by SWIFT.
16:55:36 <gjanssens> It wouldn't for me :) though that's not too important.
16:56:03 <gjanssens> I often see both SWIFT and BIC mentioned together, that's why I suggested this.
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17:00:09 <fell> MT files are defined by SWIFT, too. ;-)
17:02:31 <fell> Most users will have a BIC field on their forms
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17:29:21 <gr8kodr_afk> is the current GnuCash ERD (circa 2014) still current or does it need update for 2.6.16 release?
17:29:48 <jralls> gr8kodr_afk: It's still current.
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19:50:46 <jralls> @tell gjanssens Progress. I've determined that GncDate::c_formats is getting constructed twice and then destructed twice. It leaks the re strings from the first construction and tries to destroy the ones from the second construction twice.
19:50:46 <gncbot> jralls: The operation succeeded.
19:52:31 <jralls> @tell gjanssens *Why* that's happening I haven't yet figured out. I thought that it might have to do with having test_gnc_datetime compiled with gnc_datetime.cpp directly as well as linking libqof, but I tried removing the direct compilation and it still makes two c_formats.
19:52:31 <gncbot> jralls: The operation succeeded.
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