2017-03-20 GnuCash IRC logs
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07:41:52 <Liam> Hi, I want automatic retrievals of quote. I checked the help manual that says to look for "gnc-fq-update" to find the folder where GnuCash is installed. Yet, I searched the whole root folder "/" for gnc-fq-update and my terminal outuput is "No such file or directory"
07:41:52 <Liam> My OS: Ubuntu 16.04
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07:50:34 <Liam> Please disregard my question. I just found out why, thanks!
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09:41:53 <crimsonmane> Hello. I am trying to figure out how to use gnucash. To begin with, how do I create an account representing my Bank (primary checking) with an opening balance? The problem I can't resolve is the opening balance.
09:43:18 <crimsonmane> Further, I can't figure out how to represent the fact that I got paid (increase the balance).
09:43:26 <crimsonmane> Everything auto-double-entries to a zero balance.
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09:52:46 <crimsonmane> The manual has not been helpful as I don not understand it. I aim to create two accounts, let's call them Bank1 and Expense1, where Bank1 should have an opening balance of 3054.91 and Expense1 should have an opening balance of 2227.54
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10:26:54 <crimsonmane> NEVERMIND ... got it sorted :)
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14:50:27 <fell> jralls, didn't you have a nice answer for requests like http://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-de/2017-March/009876.html ?
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14:57:06 <fell> Mechtilde, hast du Lust, die unterschiedliche Übersetzung aus der Mail 'Konten - Steuerrelevant' anzupassen?
14:57:43 <fell> 'Bearbeiten -> Steuerrelevante
14:57:45 <fell> Informationen'
14:58:00 <fell> versus „Optionen Steuerbericht“
15:00:12 <fell> (I assume reusing the original string is hard to realize in glade)
15:06:49 <Mechtilde> ich habe gerade nicht die Zeit dazu fell
15:07:52 <fell> Hast du denn noch irgendwelche Verbesserungen rumliegen, die in die neue Release sollten?
15:08:13 <Mechtilde> nur zwei oder drei typos von heute
15:08:52 <Mechtilde> muss die aber erst noch in den code einpflegen
15:09:09 <Mechtilde> ist das Kapitel zu den "Währungskonten"
15:09:15 <fell> de.po oder docs?
15:09:22 <Mechtilde> docs
15:10:00 <Mechtilde> de.po schaue ich mal eben nach
15:10:14 <fell> Ok, dann guckich mal in die po und laß von den docs die Finger ;-)
15:11:51 <Mechtilde> in de.po habe ich nichts Neues
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15:12:06 <fell> OK, danke!
15:13:04 <fell> Du bist wahrscheinlich für die wörtliche Übersetzung wie im Menüeintrag, oder?
15:13:49 <Mechtilde> ist auch kürzer
15:13:59 <Mechtilde> und besser zu findne
15:14:10 <Mechtilde> oder es müsste im Menü auch geändert werden
15:14:24 <fell> Gut, dann nehmen wir den. :-)
15:16:43 <Mechtilde> warum wurde bus_ap und bus_ar gelöscht
15:16:47 <Mechtilde> in docs
15:16:55 <Mechtilde> en
15:17:24 <fell> verschoben, meine ich.
15:17:38 <Mechtilde> why are so many changes in en docs (guide)
15:18:01 <fell> Sunfish hat die Gliederung überarbeitet
15:18:09 <fell> Bugzilla ...
15:19:32 <fell> 777318
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15:22:55 <Mechtilde> so now we have several files for personal and one for business
15:26:39 <fell> From my POV there is no personal and business, but basic and advanced
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15:28:45 <Mechtilde> than we should named the chapter as you write
15:28:57 <Mechtilde> s/named/name
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15:33:05 <fell> AR/AP würde ich Offene-Posten-Verwaltung nennen, Die Payroll kann man auch für Haushaltsnahe Leistungen (Putzmann, Altenpflegerin) nehmen
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15:38:48 <fell> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687820 is also about the structure of the docs.
15:42:14 <frakturfreak> Isn’t Payroll Lohn/- und Gehaltsabrechnung?
15:42:36 <fell> Ja, aber sehr rudimentär
15:42:49 <frakturfreak> Aber wir sind doch im Bereich des Unternehmens
15:43:06 <frakturfreak> was interessiert den Unternehmer die Altenpflegerin
15:43:45 <fell> Wenn du deine private Putze anmeldest, führst du doch auch Abgaben ab
15:44:44 <frakturfreak> Ja, im Haushaltscheckverfahren bei der Minijobzentrale
15:44:56 <frakturfreak> ich würde aber eher sagen, dass hier nebensächlich ist
15:46:08 <frakturfreak> Sagt mal, ist die grundlegende Buchhaltungsgleichung denn in der deutschen Übersetzung angepasst auf A=P, A=AV+UV, P=EK+FK anstatt A=L+E?
15:46:10 <Mechtilde> frakturfreak, deshalb bin ich für den Vorschlag von fell
15:46:26 <Mechtilde> es basic und advanced zu nennen
15:46:47 <Mechtilde> denn GnuCash ist nicht wirklich für den Unternehmenseinsatz geeignet
15:47:31 <fell> Also 'ne GBR hab ich damit demacht.
15:47:38 <fell> gemacht
15:47:55 <Mechtilde> solange eben nur einer das Programm nutz
15:48:30 <frakturfreak> Ist halt viel Handarbeit nötig
15:48:37 <Mechtilde> ich dachte jetzt an Unternehmen, in der mehr als eine Person gleichzeitig mit der Buchführung beschäftigt ist.
15:49:19 <Mechtilde> frakturfreak, kannst Du kurz beschreiben, was sich hinter den Buchstaben verbirgt
15:49:19 <fell> Dafür gibt es auf LAMP basierende Lösungen
15:49:47 <Mechtilde> fell das sind dann mehr oder weniger ERP Systeme
15:50:02 <frakturfreak> Aktiva=Passiva, Aktiva=Anlagevermögen+Umlaufvermögen, Passiva=Eigenkapital+Fremdkapital, Assets=Liability+Equity
15:51:16 <fell> Deshalb meinte ich ja, du solltest gelegentlich mal die Doku vom fachlichen Korrektur lesen.
15:52:22 <fell> Wahrscheinlich ergibt sich daraus dann, daß einige Änderungen zurückportiert werden sollten.
15:53:23 <frakturfreak> hm, ich werd am sonnabendabend mal schauen, was für verbesserungsmöglichkeiten ich finde.
15:53:25 <Mechtilde> ich mache dann auch die neuen Screenshots
15:54:00 <fell> Z.B. kennen alle von mir überprüften Sprachen außer Englisch die Bilanz mit AKtiv und Passiv als oberste Ebene.
15:55:35 <frakturfreak> Apropos, gibt eine möglichkeit die Gliederung der Bilanz auf volles HGB-Niveau aufzublähen?
15:55:46 <frakturfreak> also mit allen Römischen Ziffern und Buchstaben?
15:56:40 <frakturfreak> bzw. gibt z. B. über die Konto-Nummern die Möglichkeit der Ordnung?
15:56:55 <fell> Wie die aussieht, hängt vom Kontenplan ab.
15:57:21 <fell> Mach doch mal einen auf dem SKR04 basierenden auf
15:57:52 <fell> Ich hab mich damals bemüht, die Gliederung einzubauen
15:58:03 <fell> - Soweit mir Verständlich.
15:59:44 <fell> Die röischen Ziffern haben aber den Nachteil, daß man dann länger scrollen oder tippen muß für 3 vs. III
16:00:09 <frakturfreak> ah
16:00:18 <frakturfreak> verstehte
16:01:01 <fell> In der KOntenübersucht ist rechts oben ein blauer Pfeil, der das einblenden weiterer Spalten ermöglicht, nach denen dann auch sortiert werden kann.
16:01:03 <frakturfreak> nur trotzdem funkt eine diese dämliche unvollständige Amerikanische Darstellung in der Hauptvariante hinein
16:01:13 <frakturfreak> bzw. man müsste die Überschriften weglassen
16:02:19 <fell> Stylesheets (Vorlagen) und Berichtsoptionen anpassen
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16:45:49 <jralls> fell: I just tell them that the GPL grants them the right to redistribute GnuCash but that it's their legal responsibility to comply fully with the terms of the GPL, including providing access to source code. However, while GnuCash itself is free of third-party rights a useful download of it for e.g. Microsoft Windows is not, so they will have to review carefully how they want to proceed.
16:46:53 <jralls> Hmm, better to say that the GPL grants them *permission* to redistribute GnuCash.
16:48:59 <fell> Would you like to answer,jralls?
16:49:38 <jralls> fell: That would require me to subscribe to a list which I won't understand. Better for you to do it.
16:50:00 <fell> The german translation has an additional section, I would not subscribe.
16:50:24 <jralls> Sorry, I don't understand.
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16:53:01 <fell> The german part has the following additional section:
16:53:04 <fell> Please note: By sharing, you also assure us that the software is free of third-party rights and does not contain any components for which GEMA charges or charges of other collecting societies can be levied or that you bear such fees yourself.
16:53:57 <jralls> Ah. What's a GEMA charge?
16:54:29 <fell> They collect for musicians
16:54:45 <fell> composers, ...
16:55:56 <jralls> Right, the two similar agencies here are ASCAP and BMI. We don't have any music. The third party rights are held by Martin, Benoit, the Gnome Foundation, and others.
16:57:02 <jralls> They're all licensed under F/LOSS licenses, but it sounds like their lawyers want them to get permission from every rights holder.
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17:08:36 <frakturfreak> Mechtilde: Yes the whole Basic Concepts Chapter needs an overwrite to accomodate the German theory
17:09:01 <frakturfreak> It’s based on the American formula
17:10:50 <Mechtilde> I tried to write it with German understanding
17:11:45 <frakturfreak> But then it should contain the words Bestandskonten and Erfolgskonten
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17:12:44 <Mechtilde> I'm Amateur not a Professional
17:13:12 <frakturfreak> I’ll try to at least to rewrite it, but I’ve got to bed now
17:13:44 <Mechtilde> I know how to do it but don't know the nomenklatur of wording
17:13:55 <Mechtilde> me too
17:13:56 <frakturfreak> Oh and btw. I think Zusammenfassung is better headline than Alles zusammenfassen
17:14:33 <frakturfreak> Mechtilde: Do you have branch somewhere with your changes, or is the current version von github/gnucash-docs/master my best resource?
17:14:56 <Mechtilde> that is the best source
17:15:12 <frakturfreak> ok, i’ve generated the docs from today
17:15:17 <frakturfreak> let’s see what i find
17:15:17 <Mechtilde> when you look into the history
17:15:19 <frakturfreak> good night
17:15:48 <fell> Good Night!
17:15:53 <Mechtilde> you can see that I found a very small translation in German as I started
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17:16:46 <fell> You made a good job, Mechtilde, but we can still improve it.
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19:04:27 <fell> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/ is funny: Looking for the latest version? Download aqbanking-5.6.12.tar.gz (3.8 MB)
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