2017-03-05 GnuCash IRC logs
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10:30:52 <MrKeuner> hi, adding credit card transactions from the latest cc statement to my first gnucash book. I imported the csv and set the target accounts properly. however with respect to the cc account in gnucash there are some negative balances as the statement is not the first cc statement bu the latest one only. What is the proper way of entering this?
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13:14:38 <MrKeuner> I think I figured it. I just created an opening balance for the amount paid in my statement.
13:15:38 <MrKeuner> so for march bill, amount paid for February was $x.00. So the opening balance I created is $x.00 charge.
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13:33:35 <cizzi> hi
13:33:50 <cizzi> anyone can tell me if gnucash can connect to my canadian RBC accounts to get transactions from it?
13:35:35 <jralls> gjanssens: I discovered yesterday that when one does a cmake build one can run GC without having to install. I haven't yet tested to see if having an installed GC on ld's path causes the wrong library to link, but it's nice to save a step.
13:40:50 <cizzi> anyone?
13:41:39 <jralls> cizzi: Patience. It looks like a definite maybe: https://www.rbcroyalbank.com/onlinebanking/bankingusertips/accountingsoftware/index.html Unfortunately I don't find any setup parameters when I search.
13:41:59 <cizzi> jralls: i apologize
13:42:34 <cizzi> so it means no right
13:43:02 <cizzi> there's directions for simply accounting
13:43:04 <cizzi> but not gnucash
13:43:54 <jralls> cizzi: No bank provides GnuCash information. You
13:44:18 <cizzi> is simply accounting a good product worth investing in?
13:44:24 <cizzi> im a linux user thats why i went to gnucash first
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13:44:53 <jralls> cizzi: We have no information about other accounting packages here.
13:44:54 <cizzi> right now i use openoffice spreadhseets to manage my finances but i find it rather static
13:45:01 <cizzi> i want to manage by finances better
13:45:12 <cizzi> my
13:45:35 <jralls> You might be able to get the requisite information from RBC's tech support if you can get past the script-readers to someone who actually knows something.
13:46:27 <jralls> The other option is that almost all banks allow you to download transactions in QIF and/orOFX files which you can then import into GnuCash. A couple of extra steps but much less setup.
13:47:58 <cizzi> okay
13:48:02 <cizzi> what is the goal of gnucash
13:48:08 <cizzi> i dont have any experience with financial software
13:48:13 <cizzi> what this it achieve in the end
13:48:17 <cizzi> does
13:48:29 <cizzi> just better management?
13:49:55 <jralls> GnuCash is a FOSS double-entry accounting program for personal and small-business use. It does require that you learn double-entry accounting; for most users the Tutorial and Concept Guide (part of the documentation) is enough, though some need to do some extra reading or take a basic bookkeeping course.
13:50:52 <jralls> If you find that a bit daunting you might prefer KMyMoney, which is a personal finance program more like Quicken.
13:51:04 <cizzi> is it on linux too?
13:51:52 <cizzi> ok i found it on ubuntu
13:51:53 <cizzi> thank you
13:51:54 <cizzi> i'll try it
13:53:22 <hub> cizzi: I use the same bank. I just never even tried to do that.
13:53:37 <cizzi> hub: cool how do you do it? export from rbc and import it?
13:53:45 <hub> by hand
13:53:52 <cizzi> you copy hte info over?
13:53:53 <hub> less than 10 transaction / month
13:53:55 <cizzi> every month?
13:54:10 <cizzi> whats the benefit of gnucash to you?
13:54:33 <hub> that I'm freelance and I need to deal with HST and other crap
13:54:43 <hub> (I just started too)
13:55:01 <cizzi> what field? programming?
13:55:11 <hub> I'm also the kind of person filing taxes with paper
13:55:40 <hub> yes software
13:55:59 <cizzi> im thinking of doing the same
13:56:02 <cizzi> develop software in C
13:56:10 <cizzi> but i already have a full time job
14:00:19 <gjanssens> jralls: that's nice of cmake :)
14:00:59 <gjanssens> I do suspect it will take some objects from an installed path, at least on linux
14:01:23 <jralls> BTW, I finally got the WebKit2 window to display a report after some false starts.
14:01:24 <gjanssens> The environment file is set up to look for guile modules in the install path, not the build path
14:01:51 <gjanssens> Do you still skip the environment file on OS X ?
14:02:18 <gjanssens> Something we can probably patch though if we want to.
14:02:31 <gjanssens> And congrats on WebKit2!
14:02:32 <jralls> No, but I'm actually working in F25 right now because I have some build issues with WebKit2 on OSX.
14:02:43 <gjanssens> Oh better even
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14:03:05 <gjanssens> I'm still fighting the register code
14:03:58 <gjanssens> I've managed to display all related gui elements, but when navigating around the display gets corrupted
14:04:09 <jralls> And no, gnc_environment_setup() is run after set_mac_locale() so that users can override the Mac environment if they want.
14:04:10 <gjanssens> Looks like I'm overlooking some offset calculations
14:04:21 <finster> hello all. i'm using gnucash 2.6.15 on osx (intel). i have some reports that default to the current accounting period wrt to begin and end. is there a quick setting to scroll one accounting period backward without setting it in the global preferences?
14:05:04 <gjanssens> I'm taking a break this weekend and plan to continue in the course of the week
14:06:01 <jralls> finster: Depends on the report. Some have a "Previous Accounting Period" date option on the report options General tab. Otherwise you can always set specific dates.
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14:06:33 <jralls> Once you've done that you can save the report description so that you can run that set of options at will.
14:07:40 <jralls> gjanssens: How does the display get corrupted? Are elements drawn in the wrong place?
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14:07:53 <finster> jralls: i see. thanks for the info!
14:16:09 <finster> out of curiosity: is there a significant user base for gnucash on osx/ppc these days?
14:17:39 <jralls> finster: Hard to say. There are a few downloads/week, but I don't know how many of them are mistakes. MacOS X 10.5 doesn't support C++11, so GnuCash 2.8 won't run on PPC.
14:18:37 <jralls> So if you're still on an old PPC box it's time to get a new Mac. The oldest version that supports C++11 is 10.9 (Yosemite).
14:20:02 <jralls> Of course you could always put Linux on that PPC. It's an excellent way to keep antique hardware running without being a major security threat to the rest of the internet.
14:21:00 <finster> hehe :)
14:21:06 <cizzi> is the salary entered monthly in gnucash?
14:21:19 <cizzi> or do i enter the bi weekly?
14:21:20 <cizzi> amount
14:21:22 <finster> last time i touched a ppc-based mac was like 8-9 years ago
14:21:28 <jralls> cizzi: How you maintain your books is entirely your decision.
14:21:34 <cizzi> finster: i hope that the next mac minis will be arm
14:21:55 <cizzi> jralls: if all my expenses are entered monthly i should enter the monthly figure for my salary as well right?
14:22:31 <cizzi> finster: my lsat one was about the same time.. it was an emac
14:22:37 <cizzi> old crt style 50lbs box
14:22:37 <jralls> cizzi: One more time: It's entirely up to you, and it's incumbent on you to learn bookkeeping well enough to make a good decision.
14:23:48 <jralls> I've got a PPC mini and a G4 iBook right here... Needed to build the PPC version of GC and Gramps. I'm kinda looking forward to retiring them.
14:24:34 <cizzi> my main station is this
14:24:35 <finster> that's why i asked initially. must be a hell of effort to build/maintain gnucash for ppc platforms
14:24:36 <cizzi> Linux cactus 4.9.12-gentoo #1 SMP Sun Feb 26 19:03:50 EST 2017 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
14:24:47 <cizzi> makes for a smooth experience with ssds
14:26:05 <finster> cizzi: bleh, your kernel build is over a week old. you could as well use debian ;P
14:26:13 <cizzi> finster: funny
14:26:49 <cizzi> compiling the latest right now then
14:27:08 <cizzi> i compile kernels on weekends on my spare time :)
14:27:39 <hub> cizzi: you'd enter it as a recurring transaction fortnightly or twice monthly depending on how you are paid
14:28:26 <finster> hub: interesting to hear. how would you deal with varying payments in this scenario (i'm not an accounting pro, just curious)
14:28:29 <cizzi> hub: so if im paid twice a month i would update gnucash twice a month you mean?
14:28:45 <hub> finster: you'd adjust it as it goes.
14:28:59 <hub> cizzi: you can schedule transactions, they appear automatically
14:29:09 <hub> and you can tweak is it goes
14:29:09 <cizzi> hub: neat, thanks for that info
14:30:08 <finster> hub: ah, i see. thanks from my side, too
14:30:38 <cizzi> finster: does gnucash do forecasting too?
14:30:40 <hub> similarly you can do rent or mortgage. or other recurring bills
14:30:42 <cizzi> in the reports
14:30:54 <cizzi> i mean hub
14:31:00 <hub> note: I'm a beginner on that too so I might be doing it wrong
14:31:04 <cizzi> its ok
14:31:07 <cizzi> we can learn together
14:31:11 <hub> I have to figure out how to deal with the GST for example
14:31:17 <cizzi> yeah
14:31:27 <hub> and foreign currencies
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14:33:00 <cizzi> finster:
14:33:03 <cizzi> finster: better?
14:33:06 <cizzi> finster: Linux cactus 4.10.1-gentoo #1 SMP Sun Mar 5 14:30:13 EST 2017 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
14:33:07 <hub> I learned basic accounting in europe 20 yeas ago :-/
14:33:11 <cizzi> oh
14:33:45 <finster> cizzi: i was just joking. irony doesn't come across well in irc. sorry.
14:34:00 <cizzi> finster: its okay.. took exactly 5 minutes of my time and a remote reboot
14:34:07 <cizzi> had to do it anyways
14:34:10 <cizzi> i keep my systems up to date
14:34:27 <hub> my kernel gets more update than I do reboot
14:34:28 <hub> ...
14:34:39 <cizzi> im looking to buy a mac mini
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14:34:45 <cizzi> but it hsant been refreshed since 2014
14:34:47 <hub> and I don't even have an i7
14:34:48 <cizzi> so waiting till they refresh it
14:35:01 <cizzi> hub consider the ryzen 1800x with 16 threads
14:35:08 <hub> cizzi: in a laptop?
14:35:09 <hub> nope
14:35:46 <cizzi> im still off in gnucash
14:35:52 <cizzi> the net assets is wrong
14:35:56 <cizzi> cause i have a big student loan
14:36:03 <cizzi> i shouldnt have any assets
14:36:08 <hub> cizzi: they didn't refresh the MacMini because for a while lot the Intel smaller CPU where limited to 8GB
14:36:27 <hub> cizzi: it is a liability. put the opening balance to what you owe
14:36:34 <cizzi> right they should just let go for intel and use their own CPUs like they used to
14:36:41 <cizzi> hub: ok thanks ill try
14:36:50 <hub> cizzi: it never was their own CPU
14:36:56 <cizzi> but under student loan
14:36:58 <cizzi> there's descrease or increase
14:37:00 <cizzi> and balance
14:37:34 <cizzi> its under increase and balance
14:37:39 <cizzi> so i think its right
14:38:44 <hub> cizzi: "increase" you put what you owe. and then when you pay some, it will be put in decrease automatically. (I do it from the account the money comes off)
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14:40:03 <cizzi> hub: you know the line at the bottom? grand total
14:40:08 <cizzi> net assets shows a positive number
14:40:17 <cizzi> how is that possible when my student loan is bigger than all my cash combinbed
14:57:28 <cizzi> hub: how do I set the reccuring payments and payroll deposits?
14:58:04 <hub> Actions -> Scheduled Transaction
14:58:35 <hub> you even stuff for loan repayment
14:58:43 <hub> (aka I have been doing it wrong it seems(
14:59:18 <cizzi> ok
14:59:34 <cizzi> so things should match up in my bank account automatically
14:59:38 <cizzi> unless i make manual purchases
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15:13:56 <cizzi> hub: i got my accounts to match in gnucash.. but it says profits 201$ or something, where does that come from?
15:14:15 <cizzi> net assets: C204.71 profits: C$204.71
15:14:35 <cizzi> Oh i think i kno
15:14:43 <cizzi> maybe it did my paycheck - my monthly expenses
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15:33:09 <cizzi> i think i found a bug
15:33:17 <cizzi> can someone verify if this is normal or not?
15:33:24 <cizzi> when i create a recurring loan payment
15:33:29 <cizzi> and it goes on the loan review page
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15:33:51 <cizzi> it shows just 1.38$ for the payment amount instead of the 210.00$ i entered on the previous screen
15:40:38 <cizzi> fixed it
15:45:53 <cizzi> hub: you here?
15:46:03 <hub> somewhat
15:46:36 <cizzi> hub: im trying to add by bi-monthly pay recurring.. but it only allows me to select 2 days out of the month, however my company pays me on the 9th of this month and 14 days after that, and so on
15:46:40 <cizzi> its not ever on the same day of the month
15:46:42 <cizzi> any way around this?
15:47:05 <hub> no sure, I just tweak manually
15:47:06 <hub> :-/
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15:48:06 <cizzi> ok
15:48:16 <cizzi> you write software for a living right now?
15:49:51 <hub> sadly
15:50:12 <cizzi> you do that full time and sell them on your website or something?
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15:56:36 <frakturfreak> cizzi: How about using autocompletition or setting it up via a receivable account
15:58:13 <hub> cizzi: I sell myself.
15:58:20 <cizzi> frakturfreak: whats that?
15:59:25 <cizzi> hub: I'm very interested in what you are doing because I have experience from personal projects, i work for a hosting company. what type of software do you write? im trying to find a niche i want to write. or a type of software that there is a market for
15:59:38 <frakturfreak> if you enter the same description for a transaction it should fill out the remaining fields with the accounts and amounts you used on a previous transaction
15:59:48 <cizzi> frakturfreak: i managed to balance everything to the cent right now
15:59:55 <cizzi> frakturfreak: as things change i will have to update it
16:00:00 <cizzi> thats the point of software like this right?
16:03:05 <cizzi> hub - looks like your IP is from montreal, like me, is that where you are?
16:04:17 <frakturfreak> yes, but I really would do it via an account receivable at least so you don’t have an imbalance account popping up. And then debit your checking account and credit the account receivable the day you’re paid.
16:04:37 <hub> cizzi: the internet lies all the time ;-)
16:05:26 <cizzi> hub: ok thats fine you dont have to say, you mentionned you were in canada thats why i asked
16:06:22 <cizzi> frakturfreak: whats imbalance?
16:06:26 <cizzi> i have a number in there right now
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16:08:13 <frakturfreak> An account that automatically created if the transactions don’t add up
16:08:35 <cizzi> dont add up how? i created an entry for every place
16:08:40 <cizzi> expense,income,etc
16:08:43 <frakturfreak> for example if you changed a split transaction and forgot the change the debit or the credit side to the right ammount
16:08:47 <cizzi> now theres a whole bunch of transactions in imbalance
16:09:49 <frakturfreak> all debits must equal all credits. If you change one but not the other, the difference will show on the imbalance account until you change it to the right account
16:10:19 <hub> cizzi: seems like sarcasm isn't conveyed properly
16:10:50 <hub> cizzi: but could be worse. you could be told the IP is in Chatham, which virtually every other website thinks
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16:11:48 <cizzi> hub: like openvpn
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16:12:02 <cizzi> easy to fool people with ips
16:12:14 <hub> cizzi: no, they are just wrong.
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16:12:20 <cizzi> oh ok
16:12:22 <cizzi> i see what you mean
16:12:26 <cizzi> so you could be in ontario
16:12:28 <cizzi> but the ip shows montreal
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16:12:56 <hub> and it is right
16:13:36 <cizzi> hub: there's a developper that writes dating website software on toronto
16:13:43 <cizzi> for a few hundred dollars per license
16:13:48 <cizzi> i ended up buying it a few years ago
16:13:54 <cizzi> so i know there's a market for software online
16:13:57 <cizzi> but i didnt like it
16:14:01 <cizzi> so i wrote my own
16:15:10 <cizzi> frakturfreak: where do i correct them
16:15:16 <cizzi> in the list of imbalance?
16:15:20 <cizzi> i can just switch the columns?
16:16:45 <hub> cizzi: you can also split the transaction. like take from bank account, pay expense, pay tax.
16:17:20 <cizzi> i think its all reverses in imbalance
16:17:23 <cizzi> why does it do that
16:17:30 <cizzi> like it shows my student loan in deposit column
16:17:35 <cizzi> it should be an entry in withdrawl right?>
16:17:36 <cizzi> to fix that?
16:17:40 <hub> imbalance should be at 0
16:17:46 <cizzi> right
16:17:50 <hub> if it is not, you have a problem
16:17:52 <cizzi> but how do i enter the entries
16:17:56 <frakturfreak> no you have to jump to corresponding transaction in the other account
16:18:00 <frakturfreak> and change it there
16:18:13 <cizzi> ok so i go to the liabilities loans education loan?
16:18:16 <cizzi> account
16:18:18 <cizzi> and change it there?
16:18:23 <cizzi> what other account
16:18:31 <frakturfreak> and look for the imbalance account
16:18:42 <frakturfreak> and decide what it really should have been in the first place
16:18:56 <frakturfreak> or the other way
16:19:01 <cizzi> im confused
16:19:04 <cizzi> where do i make the change
16:19:17 <frakturfreak> you go to the imbalance account and make a transaction into the right account
16:19:30 <cizzi> ok that screen?
16:19:41 <cizzi> i remove it from deposit field and place it in withdrawl field for example?
16:21:59 <cizzi> or go to liabilities account
16:22:05 <cizzi> and change it there by adding a transaction
16:22:41 <cizzi> but why would it be wrong in the first place
16:22:45 <cizzi> i entered everything right
16:22:47 <cizzi> my loan balance
16:22:50 <cizzi> and then all my expenses
16:22:52 <cizzi> and my salary
16:22:55 <cizzi> its simple
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16:30:52 <cizzi> frakturfreak: you here?
16:31:07 <frakturfreak> yes but i’m going in a moment
16:31:14 <cizzi> ok i just wanted to understand
16:31:18 <frakturfreak> well it could be the auto completition
16:31:19 <cizzi> i re-read all your statements
16:31:33 <cizzi> so i see all my entries in unbalance pretty much
16:31:38 <cizzi> i dont think they are all wrong
16:31:40 <cizzi> thats what im saying
16:31:48 <frakturfreak> Is imbalance 0?
16:31:51 <cizzi> no
16:31:53 <cizzi> 15000 something
16:31:59 <frakturfreak> then something is wrong
16:32:03 <cizzi> yes
16:32:05 <cizzi> but i dont know what
16:32:13 <frakturfreak> find the right expenses/revenues
16:32:15 <cizzi> i deposits 29000$ for my student loan
16:32:20 <cizzi> then the rest are all withdrawls
16:32:26 <cizzi> oh wait
16:32:34 <cizzi> my savings and expenses are all withdrawls
16:32:35 <cizzi> thats wrong
16:32:52 <cizzi> and shouldnt student loan be a withdrawl
16:32:57 <cizzi> why did it put it in deposit
16:33:09 <cizzi> so i need to go change it in student loan right?
16:33:25 <frakturfreak> it’s a deposit on your bank account
16:33:33 <frakturfreak> and the repayments are withdrawals there
16:33:39 <frakturfreak> anywhere i’m going to bed
16:33:42 <cizzi> ok
16:33:43 <cizzi> thanks
16:33:43 <frakturfreak> good night
16:33:46 <cizzi> night
16:34:42 <frakturfreak> cizzi: Or even better use the accounting headlines,
16:34:55 <frakturfreak> than you won’t have to remember if it’s a withdrawal or deposit
16:35:03 <cizzi> how do i use that
16:35:10 <frakturfreak> a credit is always a credit a debit a debit
16:35:21 <cizzi> where do i enable it
16:35:49 <frakturfreak> Preferences • Accounts • Labels • use formal accounting labels
16:35:55 <cizzi> thanks again
16:36:00 <frakturfreak> and always say the account you talking about
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17:17:42 <gjanssens> jralls: re the display, when moving up/down content from one row is written on another
17:18:01 <gjanssens> I suspect there's an issue with relative vs absolute positioning
17:18:27 <gjanssens> I'll continue later. Time for bed here :)
17:18:40 <jralls> gjanssens: Sounds reasonable. Good night.
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19:17:47 <jralls> @tell gjanssens I've got the WebKit2 branch as close as is reasonable. It won't display jsplot when fed html directly because it won't load the js script files, but it works OK with the write-a-file-and-load-that trick.
19:17:47 <gncbot> jralls: The operation succeeded.
19:21:12 <jralls> @tell gjanssens I didn't set up the gnc-register uri scheme because I didn't want to mess around with a back-channel to GnuCash to open the register. That will be easy to set up once we have Gtk3 in place and we're back to a single process.
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19:28:54 <jralls> @tell gjanssens Now it's time to work a few bugs and get the release ready. Next month I'll start on a litehtml + V8 implementation. It seems that the webkit2 API changes rather often, and I'd like not to have to chase that.
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19:33:36 <jralls> lmat: Can you have a look at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779554?
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19:58:27 <jralls> lmat: Make that https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761682, the newer one is a dupe of that.
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