2017-01-27 GnuCash IRC logs
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04:23:02 <gjanssens> warlord: I think Mr. Redelmeier has a point that it's worth updating the mailing list descriptions
04:23:24 <gjanssens> Is this something only you can do, or can our list moderator (Liz) do this as well ?
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04:32:36 <Mechtilde> I will be at FOSDEM next weekend
04:32:58 <Mechtilde> you can meet me at Apache booth
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05:37:59 <fell> Oh, next weekend! Good to remind us. :-)
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08:40:10 <fell> gjanssens: I thought the same about Redelmeier.
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09:14:02 <warlord> gjanssens: he does. (I know Hugh from other venues...)
09:14:15 <warlord> gjanssens: I can do it.
09:14:43 <warlord> jeltsch: You could use GSSAPI-protected NFS.
09:15:36 <gjanssens> warlord: ok
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09:19:46 <jeltsch> warlord: Is there proper client-side support for this under Windows? That is, can a Windows user access a GSSAPI-protected NFS drive as a Windows network device?
09:20:32 <warlord> jeltsch: I dont know. I don't use Windows.
09:21:09 <jeltsch> warlord: I guess this could be problematic. WebDAV has the advantage that is supported out-of-the-box under Windows and “natively” supports encryption.
09:22:06 <warlord> gjanssens: I just updated both -patches and -changes.
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09:22:20 <warlord> jeltsch: except it's not POSIX
09:22:58 <jeltsch> warlord: Windows is not POSIX-compliant either. And GnuCash is supposed to work under Windows. So it generally should not rely on POSIX-specifics.
09:23:35 <warlord> jeltsch: windows is very much a second-class citizen
09:23:52 <warlord> and on Linux/Mac/Unix it certainly depends on POSIX semantics.
09:24:01 <jeltsch> Fair enough.
09:24:22 <warlord> So I could consider this a bug in the fuse client
09:24:36 <gjanssens> warlord: thanks :)
09:25:09 <warlord> gjanssens: no problem. I also removed "CVS" and made the wording more generic.
09:25:13 <gjanssens> warlord: did you hear linas__ about the ssh key updates on his webserver ?
09:25:50 <warlord> gjanssens: no. what did he say?
09:25:52 <jeltsch> warlord: Yes, the fuse client apparently does not provide POSIX-semantics. On the other hand, I wonder whether it can do this across machines. I guess, that WebDAV doesn’t provide means to create and open a file and block access by keeping it open, or so.
09:26:05 <warlord> (and when did he say it?)
09:26:10 <gjanssens> warlord: I didn't either. I wondered if you had been in touch with him...
09:26:26 <warlord> No. I sent him email but haven't heard back yet.
09:26:38 <gjanssens> Because I saw your news item about the maintenaince being finished is not up yet
09:26:50 <gjanssens> It gives a bit of a worrying message as it stands now
09:27:10 <gjanssens> The maintenance should only have taken an hour or so, but still no formal message it's actually complete
09:27:19 <warlord> jeltsch: it's not even the keep-it-open that matters -- it's the actual creation of the file before it's "close"d. That's the bug. If I open/create, write, sync, it should flush the file to the server.
09:27:46 <warlord> gjanssens: I understand... Nothing I can do about that since I don't think I have access to the web server..
09:28:05 <warlord> (and clearly you don't either)
09:28:08 <gjanssens> warlord: yes, I know
09:28:13 <gjanssens> nope...
09:29:08 <warlord> :(
09:29:20 <jeltsch> warlord: Why is the file not close, by the way?
09:29:44 <warlord> jeltsch: because it's not necessary under POSIX.
09:30:07 <jeltsch> warlord: It seems cleaner to me to not keep a file unnecessarily open.
09:32:18 <warlord> jeltsch: there's nothing wrong with keeping it open, and it follows the O_EXCL semantics.
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09:42:33 <warlord> gjanssens: how's the new wording look to you?
09:45:08 <gjanssens> warlord: better although I would make it more clear these are "read-only" lists
09:45:33 <gjanssens> "No discussion should take place on this list. " implies to me it shouldn't happen but is the user's responsability to avoid this
09:45:55 <gjanssens> while it simply can't happen because it's read-only or announcement only if you prefer
09:46:24 <gjanssens> How about starting with "Developer, notification-only list"
09:46:40 <gjanssens> *mailing* list
09:47:01 <warlord> I dont htink we need "mailing' in there -- it's understood it's a maling list ;)
09:47:02 <gjanssens> And "No conversations will take place on this list"
09:47:24 <warlord> Oh.. "mailing" is still in there.
09:47:28 <gjanssens> or "No discussions" as you used already
09:47:49 <gjanssens> yeah, that's why I readded it, but it can be omitted indeed
09:47:51 <warlord> I changed it to "No disucssion takes place on this list"
09:48:06 <gjanssens> Even better
09:48:25 <warlord> Changed both.
09:49:46 <gjanssens> And lastly, there are a lot of capital letters in there. Is that intentional ?
09:49:47 <gjanssens> Notifications of Commits to various GnuCash repositories with Changes
09:50:07 <gjanssens> GnuCash should be capitalized, but the other perhaps not ?
09:50:14 <gjanssens> I mean in the description, not the window title
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09:51:44 <warlord> Yeah.. I'll fix that.
09:52:49 <warlord> fxed
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09:53:46 <warlord> FYI, Network Upgrade scheduled for Monday. Wont affect GnuCash stuff at all.
09:55:47 <gjanssens> Ok. Now for some REAL(tm) nitpicking...
09:56:04 <gjanssens> The title says Notification, the description says Notifications
09:56:28 <gjanssens> (single vs plural)
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09:59:33 <warlord> changed to singular
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10:02:17 <gjanssens> warlord: no more comments... thanks :)
10:02:25 <warlord> YAY.
10:02:29 <warlord> I'll email High
10:02:30 <warlord> hugh, even
10:02:51 <gjanssens> \o/
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11:35:28 <fell> warlord, about "The requested URL /docs/HEAD/ was not found on this server.", should be <p>View the GnuCash Developer/API Documentation of the <a href="https://code.gnucash.org/docs/MAINT/">MAINT</a> or <a href="https://code.gnucash.org/docs/MASTER/">MASTER</a> branch</p>
11:39:01 <fell> in code's main page.
11:41:58 <warlord> fell: fixed. try now?
11:42:25 <fell> Nice!
11:45:01 <warlord> Great.
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12:07:43 <warlord> Can I say how much I'm HATING systemd right now...???
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12:42:06 <warlord> gjanssens: good news is that I just heard back from Linas!
12:45:30 <gjanssens> warlord: good!
12:45:44 <gjanssens> I'll bite - what's with systemd?
13:03:40 <warlord> it wasn't starting ntpd at boot time, even though it was enabled. And then named and bind were starting without a valid current-time.. so they were failing.. even though they were configured to start after ntpd.
13:04:15 <warlord> The only way I got around this was to create rc.local which basically watched eth0 until an ip address appeared, then started ntpdate, and then restarted named and dhcpd
13:04:24 <warlord> sorry s/bind/dhcpd/
13:13:47 <gjanssens> warlord: did you disable the chronyd service at the same time? That's the new default ntp client server on fedora
13:14:28 <gjanssens> Or even, do you really require ntpd or can chronyd do what you need as well
13:14:39 <warlord> no; that was the first problem. I did that and then ntp started, BUT it still wasnt starting ntpdate.
13:14:55 <warlord> I really want ntpd, because I want to be a time server for the network.
13:16:52 <gjanssens> From what I understand chronyd can perform that task as well ?
13:16:54 <gjanssens> http://chrony.tuxfamily.org/
13:21:17 <warlord> Eh, I like ntpd
13:22:05 <gjanssens> Well, then that's the end of it ;)
13:28:26 <warlord> Yeah. I've got ntp conf files that do what I want. I see no reason to figure out how to beat chronyd into submission.
13:31:03 <gjanssens> Sure
13:31:15 <gjanssens> What did linas have to say ?
13:35:48 <warlord> He's been busy, and he'll get to is shortly.
13:36:06 <gjanssens> Ok, good
13:39:25 <warlord> Right now we're commiserating on the heaping pile of dog-s**t called systemd.
13:42:22 <gjanssens> :D
13:43:06 <gjanssens> It's probably not that bad, mostly just different ;)
13:43:19 * gjanssens is no systemd expert by any means
13:43:27 <gjanssens> Just learning as I go along
13:43:44 <gjanssens> The arch wiki has helped me out regularly
13:54:48 <fell> warlord is ways too less precise, but probably code could serve as a time server. ;-)
13:56:39 <fell> systemd remerbers me to COBOL. You have to write a book to set a bit.
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14:04:21 <gjanssens> I'm trying to build gnucash on my winxp test system
14:04:28 <gjanssens> It's been a while...
14:05:23 <gjanssens> Docs build fails, complaining about 0x0 being an invalid character in the docbook dtd
14:05:39 <gjanssens> Before I spend too much time on it, does this ring a bell with the others ?
14:06:08 <gjanssens> The docs appear to build fine on our windows build server on code
14:08:06 <warlord> fell: no, I dont want any VMs to be time servers. I want the hard iron to be the servers (so, e.g. the vm host, etc)
14:08:29 <warlord> No, it's bad. There are things you just can't get systemd to do because it thinks it knows better.
14:10:55 <fell> gjanssens, is the dtd at the right place and not empty?
14:11:30 <fell> Do you have acces rights?
14:12:39 <gjanssens> fell: I'm just using our windows build defaults
14:13:46 <gjanssens> It complains about errors in http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.4/docbookx.dtd
14:14:10 <gjanssens> That suggests it's trying to get this info online ?
14:15:18 <gjanssens> Firefox (on the windows box) can download that file, so I suppose it's accessible and not empty
14:16:46 <fell> AFAIK that URIs don't need be accesible, they exist only to have an unique ID.
14:18:03 <fell> But the dtd should be locale installed.
14:30:33 <lmat> warlord: ouch @systemd
14:30:41 <warlord> lmat: LOL. Yeah.
14:31:11 <lmat> "it wasn't starting ntpd at boot time" I have that problem every time I put a new OS on a machine, then I start and enable ntpd, but you say "even though it was enabled" :-(
14:31:14 <fell> gjanssens: /usr/share/xml/docbook/schema/dtd/4.4/docbookx.dtd on my system
14:32:23 <gjanssens> fell: I'm nuking my gnucash-docs directory on the build machine and let the build script recreate it. Let's see what happens next...
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15:32:45 <gjanssens> hmm, my last commit has broken travis :(
15:33:01 <gjanssens> make check worked fine on my local system though...
15:33:22 <gjanssens> Will check tomorrow what happened
15:35:15 <gjanssens> fell: the windows build continues to fail for me in exactly the same spot
15:35:45 <gjanssens> docbook is available in the right spot and readable
15:36:03 <gjanssens> No idea what happens there...
15:36:16 <gjanssens> But I'm off for tonight. See you tomorrow.
15:36:40 <fell> But at least one dtd is installed?
15:36:57 <fell> OK, CU
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15:45:33 <lmat> I tried to make my docker image a bit more automatic. Here's what I have: https://github.com/limitedAtonement/gnucash-docker
15:46:09 <lmat> It's a bit specific to my setup, so it'll need tweaking...
15:48:17 <lmat> To set it up for yourself, modify the 'src' shell variable at the top of 'mkimage'.
15:49:13 <lmat> The test currently fails with a PO file error in make check; "If some of these files are left out on purpose..."
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22:02:54 <fell> lmat: there are sourcefiles neither in potfiles.in nor in potfiles.skip.
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