2017-01-18 GnuCash IRC logs

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05:13:50 <fell> Special:ListGroupRights link to Gnucash:<Groupname> while the manual wants MediaWiki:Group-<group-name>[...]
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14:43:53 <fell> gjanssens, are you here?
14:52:08 <gjanssens> fell, yep
14:54:12 <fell> I am asking myself, if we should move your nice section http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Documentation_Update_Instructions#The_Make_Utility to a new page e.g. autotools.
14:55:00 <fell> and refer it by translation, build ...
14:56:06 <gjanssens> That section was added by Chris Good, though based on an explanation I gave in a gnucash-devel mail
14:56:24 <gjanssens> Having said that, I'm fine with moving it to a separate page
14:57:41 <gjanssens> fell: Did you read my reply to Chris about some sections on that page I found confusing ?
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14:58:04 <gjanssens> I haven't checked who wrote them (yet)
14:58:06 <fell> yesterdey ar newer?
14:58:14 <gjanssens> But curious to your input
14:58:38 <gjanssens> yesterday
14:58:41 <fell> You created the page for TBullok
14:59:01 <fell> Then MCri improved it
14:59:27 <fell> me, jawar, jralls, ...
14:59:52 <fell> The idea with the comment was mine.
15:00:55 <fell> Depending on the task, I have up to 3 diffs open: Changes in en, in de and en vs. de
15:03:26 <fell> Because the changes overlap in time. E.g. a few people change en, Mechtilde de and I am confused reviewing it.
15:04:58 <fell> At some point, I thought, it might be a good idea, but today I know, how to work with my 3 diff windows.
15:09:12 <fell> Perhaps I shoud add a section about it to translation.
15:09:54 <gjanssens> The overlap in changes is indeed something I was thinking of as well
15:10:21 <gjanssens> I realized the overlap is actually due to us rebasing changes before pushing them to maint/master
15:10:57 <gjanssens> Without this rebase, changes would appear chronologically but on different branches sometimes
15:11:23 <gjanssens> That alternative is also confusing if not more so to people not used to git
15:11:52 <gjanssens> So I don't have a strong good opinion about that currently.
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15:21:54 <fell> Really important for the diffs are the section ids. Whithout them the diffs would not synchronize after inserting or removing of sections
15:35:09 <warlord> Hey All. I've got the new server up and running. I've duplicated the data from the old server and I've tested most of what I can so far (including email)..
15:35:28 <warlord> Are there additional tests you'd like me to run before I do the final migration/cutover?
15:35:42 <warlord> Is there a good time to schedule the final migration/cutover?
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15:39:03 <fell> Could we probably shorten the logfile names to <day>.html? It is annoying to enter year and month twice - fits in the path and the in the filename
15:39:18 <fell> first
15:40:09 <fell> We had that a few machines ago.
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15:58:04 <warlord> fell: how is your python?
15:58:38 <fell> I know only the Flying Circus
15:58:58 <warlord> This is the code in question:
15:59:00 <warlord> def __init__(self, date):
15:59:00 <warlord> year,mon,day = date.split('-')
15:59:00 <warlord> filedir = os.path.join(cfg['output.dir'], year, mon)
15:59:00 <warlord> filename = os.path.join(cfg['output.dir'], year, mon, '%s.html' % (date))
15:59:34 <warlord> It's clearly the last line that needs to be changed. I don't know if I just need to change (date) to (day) or if I need to do more.
16:01:10 <fell> day is defined 2 lines above.
16:01:29 <fell> Is there no formatstring?
16:01:54 <warlord> Nope. I think it assumes the input 'date' .
16:02:08 <warlord> ... is a string of the form YYYY-MM-DD
16:03:34 <warlord> I SUSPECT I can just change the argument on the last line.
16:03:43 <fell> %s means string, I assume
16:04:34 <warlord> I presume. But not sure what the '%' at the end of the line means
16:05:38 <warlord> I wonder why the filename= line doesn't use filedir?
16:05:45 <warlord> That seems like a potential bug.
16:06:25 <warlord> Anyways, yes, I can work on migrating to that. Of course all existing links would break
16:07:03 <fell> ... as they did a few years ago ;-)
16:07:24 <fell> but the old links will work then again
16:07:44 <warlord> LOL.
16:13:12 <warlord> I've got a script to rename everything. So I'll run that after the migration.
16:13:29 <warlord> I'm PRETTY sure I just need to change that (date) to (day)
16:13:51 <fell> I believe it, too
16:14:04 <warlord> Oh, I think I know why we did this -- so when you had a tab open you have the full date in the titlebar.
16:15:49 <warlord> although there's a <title> that has the full date..
16:15:54 <fell> That should be the title inside the fil
16:16:28 <warlord> Yes, just tested that.
16:17:02 <warlord> So the only issue would be dangling links.
16:17:53 <fell> add a ln after the mv to your script?
16:20:17 <warlord> I could... But wouldn't that make it even messier?
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16:21:06 <warlord> Maybe I rename them all and then see if I get a bunch of requests of the old names? OR!!! I could set up a Redirect from the old names to the new names?
16:22:41 <fell> ingenious
16:28:11 <fell> For people with multiple log files from different sources opem, you xould adjust the <title> to "GnuCash Chat Logs for ..."
16:29:59 <warlord> That's more work.
16:33:04 <warlord> Just tested my redirect. That works. :)
16:35:37 <warlord> .. So i've noted my renames.
16:36:24 <warlord> It's been 10 years of IRC logs!
16:36:39 <warlord> jsled wrote this script 2007-01-01!
16:36:42 <warlord> Happy Decade!
16:37:25 <fell> The "good" old times ;-)
16:38:20 <warlord> yeah
16:38:46 <warlord> Any more changes / testing you'd like?
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16:40:37 <fell> I dont't recall anything else [now]
16:43:17 <fell> I still don't know the meaning of the Mediawiki:*<group>* pages
16:44:18 <warlord> Dunno
16:47:13 <warlord> One thing that WILL change is that everyone will have to reset their known ssh keys...
16:47:40 <fell> Why?
16:50:11 <warlord> Because I'm not migrating the host key to the new server, so you'll need to reset your known_hosts
16:50:24 <warlord> I'll email out the new key fingerprints.
16:51:19 <fell> OK
16:51:46 <warlord> I also need to schedule the migration (because it DOES require developers to do work)
16:54:33 <fell> I just check special pages of wiki and found Special:WantedFiles
16:55:31 <fell> Most referred by ConceptGuide
16:56:46 <fell> Created by Bengt in 2006
16:57:24 <warlord> Yeah, WantedFiles is a nice page :)
16:57:49 <fell> Do you remember if they ever have been there und got lost?
16:58:33 <warlord> I suspect they were never there.
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17:03:06 <fell> I am wondering if we could link http://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/figures/oview_intro.png etc.
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17:09:38 <warlord> What do you mean?
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17:12:11 <fell> I will just try to use http://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/figures/basics_AccountRelationships.png in http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Concept_Guide_draft/Basics#The_Accounting_Equation
17:14:46 <warlord> Can't you upload the wiki image?
17:17:24 <fell> Why should I upload it, if it is already there?
17:18:10 <warlord> Um,
17:22:07 <warlord> because it might change names later?
17:22:59 <fell> Then I will see it in broken links
17:25:42 <gjanssens> warlord: today I'm too focussed on getting my VAT declarations done to think much about the server migration
17:25:59 <gjanssens> Ping me tomorrow or the day after if I haven't commented yet by then
17:26:36 <gjanssens> And now it's time for bed. Tomorrow I have an appointment with the accountant. I better be fresh then :)
17:26:44 <warlord> gjanssens: Okay. I'm sending email to -devel about it.
17:27:01 <gjanssens> See you later
17:27:08 <warlord> fell: will you see a broken link to a non-wiki item?
17:27:14 <warlord> Good luck, gjanssens
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17:30:21 <fell> I try to use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=File:...|link=...
17:30:43 <fell> I try to use 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=File:...|link=...'
17:31:24 <fell> IRC is interpreting "[["
17:31:37 <fell> I try to use "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=File:...|link=..."
17:32:21 <fell> "file:...|link=..." is the content
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17:37:11 <warlord> OKay, if it works, great.
17:37:23 <warlord> Anyways, I need to run for now. Just sent email. I'll be back later.
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18:58:23 <fell> I got it. Brackets must not be used. See http://wiki.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/basics-accounting1.html
19:02:14 <fell> Oops, wrong tab. see http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Concept_Guide_draft/Basics#The_Accounting_Equation
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20:01:08 <warlord> fell: cool
20:05:06 <fell> As far as I understand it now, file: expects an upload directory to get file description, license etc.
20:08:29 <fell> All the stuff you enter, while uploading. with the link attribute you can use e.g. wiki commons, wkipedia or any site having this form of upload directory.
20:10:58 <warlord> Huh. Interesting.
20:12:28 <fell> To embed an external image without this infos, just use http://url.for/some/image.png without brackets.
20:13:09 <warlord> k
20:13:58 <fell> It should only work for urls in our MediaWiki:External image whitelist
20:14:46 <warlord> ah. ok.
20:29:32 <fell> For other URLs, you get only a normal link shown in the page.
20:38:07 <warlord> Okay
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22:44:17 <fell> Wrote my findings to http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Wiki_Tips
23:04:23 <warlord> cool.
23:09:29 <fell> warlord, about testing: did you play adv on the new machine?
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