2017-01-05 GnuCash IRC logs
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11:40:45 <finster> hello! what is the common name to refer to the backspace key in the accelerator map?
11:41:04 <finster> apparently it's neither <back> nor <backspace>
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11:55:46 <warlord> finster: what OS/Distro?
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11:58:43 <jralls> finster: Should be "BackSpace", caps are significant.
11:58:54 <mib_oawfrm> I installed Ubuntu 16.04 in US english and would prefered to keep it, but I googled that gnucash is relying on the locale to load a Swiss accounting framework. I did change load German as a Language, but it does not give me the Swiss KMU account option
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11:59:26 <jralls> finster: See https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/gdk/gdkkeysyms.h?h=gtk-2-24 for the full list. Leave of the GDK_KEY_ part.
12:00:01 <finster> warlord: oh, sorry, forgot to mention: OSX
12:00:10 <finster> jralls: okay, thanks! that does work"!
12:01:20 <jralls> mib_oawfrm: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Locale_Settings
12:01:34 <jralls> finster: You're welcome.
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12:06:29 <mib_oawfrm> jrails: The error message: The locale defined in the environment isn't supported. Falling back to the 'C' (US English) locale if I start gnucash in the terminal with LANGUAGE=de_CH the system wide change to German worked for all but gnucash
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12:22:35 <jralls> mib_oawfrm: https://wiki.debian.org/Locale
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13:28:06 <mib_oawfrm> jralls: I did regenerate the locals it changed the Language back to de_DE (which was de_CH prior) locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory LANG=de_CH LANGUAGE=de_DE:en_US:en LC_CTYPE
13:28:29 <mib_oawfrm> LC_CTYPE="de_CH" LC_NUMERIC=de_CH.UTF-8 LC_TIME=de_CH.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE="de_CH" LC_MONETARY=de_CH.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES="de_CH" LC_PAPER=de_CH.UTF-8 LC_NAME=de_CH.UTF-8 LC_ADDRESS=de_CH.UTF-8 LC_TELEPHONE=de_CH.UTF-8 LC_MEASUREMENT=de_CH.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=de_CH.UTF-8 LC_ALL=
13:28:42 <mib_oawfrm> Sorry no clue how to format things in this chat
13:29:44 <mib_oawfrm> Gnucash still starts in German / Germany if I click the icon and in English as fallback if I try to force it to start in "swiss"
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14:08:49 <jralls> mib_oawfrm: Sorry, I don't use Ubuntu. I do use Debian from time to time and they do support de_CH. If Ubuntu doesn't then perhaps that's a good reason to switch.
14:23:40 <mib_oawfrm> Ubuntu does seem to have the locale de_CH (even though I do not know how to distinguish it from de_DE I only want to have the Swiss accounting framework that apparently only loads if the settings are right. Any other way to obtain the Swiss framework?
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14:36:14 <warlord> mib_oawfrm: You could temporarily rename the swiss hierarchy into something else?
14:36:32 <warlord> Note that the account names from the swiss hierarchy would still remain in Swiss -- they are not translated.
14:38:21 <mib_oawfrm> This is a fresh installation - I try to retrieve the Swiss hierarchy / default. I could use the German one and rename each single account to the according Swiss one and so on, but was hoping to avoid this - I did it on my other Ubuntu since I did not want to switch the language to German....
14:39:11 <warlord> mib_oawfrm: I mean rename the accounts/de_CH directory to some locale you DO have
14:40:24 <mib_oawfrm> I do have the locale only gnucash does not use it for some reason...
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14:42:24 <warlord> How are you running GnuCash?
14:42:35 <warlord> Have you tried setting both LANG= and LANGUAGE= ?
14:42:42 <jralls> mib_oawfrm: GnuCash uses the operating system's (actually the c runtime's) getenv/setenv functions to set locales. Those error messages about the being unable to set the default locale come from the OS, not GnuCash.
14:45:49 <mib_oawfrm> if I type "locale" in the terminal window is gives me: LANG=de_CH.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=de_CH:en and Ubuntu is "talking" German ....
14:46:07 <warlord> and if you run gnucash from that terminal...???
14:51:59 <jralls> mib_oawfrm: Don't set LANGUAGE=de_CH. LANGUAGE is for gettext and AFAIK nobody makes separate de_DE and de_CH (or de_ anything else, for that matter) translation files.
14:53:52 <jralls> mib_oawfrm: Use LANGUAGE=de:en if you want the UI in German with a fall-back to English for bits that don't have German translation.
14:53:56 <mib_oawfrm> OK what to set the LANGUAGE to? de_DE?
14:54:17 <mib_oawfrm> Ah, thanks
14:58:00 <jralls> mib_oawfrm: The other pieces of localization, like number formats and the account templates, are driven by the various LC_ variables. LANG is a fallback for any variables that aren't explicitly set, LC_ALL sets everything. So for example if you want Swiss account templates but German number formats you could set LC_MESSAGES=de_CH.UTF8 LC_NUMERIC=de_DE.UTF8. If you set LC_MONETARY=de_DE.UTF8 you'll get the locale currency s
14:58:00 <jralls> et to Euro, if you set it to de_CH.UTF8 it will be Swiss Francs.
15:02:19 <mib_oawfrm> Funny enough it did suggest SFR from the start. Now I have LANG=de_CH.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=de_DE:en_US but still no Swiss framework, but adapt the German one, ....
15:02:38 <mib_oawfrm> Many thanks!!!
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17:13:47 <fell> jralls, warlord: In such cases, you could ask to check locale -a for installed languages.
17:15:05 <fell> Some mature Linux' still point to *@euro instead of .utf-8
17:15:39 <fell> if the suffix is missing
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