2016-10-20 GnuCash IRC logs

00:01:33 <RotenVOrest> hi
00:01:37 <RotenVOrest> any body ?
00:01:39 <RotenVOrest> here me ?
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10:37:43 <To7> Hello, trying to compile GNUCASH on Windows (took a brand new VM) and ran the bootstrap thingy; but when running ./install.sh I get systax errors in the install MSys part. Do I need to fix them manually ?
10:38:06 <To7> Unterminalted 's' command
10:43:10 <warlord> To7: Ah, the 'sed' problem. I think jralls was seeing that.
10:43:19 <warlord> I'd ask, tho, why are you trying to build from scratch on windows/
10:43:19 <warlord> ?
10:43:21 <To7> :)
10:43:23 <To7> Yes
10:44:00 <To7> I am setting up my dev machine to tweak it to replace my Quicken.
10:44:21 <To7> So I need to add the functionality that I need, and remove that I don't need.
10:45:24 <To7> It's a ToDo that has been sitting on my inbox for 2 years and 1/2.
10:46:28 <warlord> I'm not sure what you mean by "remove that you don't need".. If you don't need a feature, then don't use it. As for adding functionality -- what do you want/need to add?
10:47:28 <To7> I need to add receipt scans organizing and OCR.
10:48:08 <To7> and I want to fork it to hide the dual entry for simple checkbook management for home usage.
10:49:05 <To7> At first just wanted to add Bitcoin in the thing
10:50:52 <To7> And then needed to understand how the "automatic update" works to get my Credit Union to add that format in their download offering (but that's politics.)
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10:57:03 <warlord> To7: there is already a way to link image files with transactions. GnuCash shouldn't be a scanner app. There are already scanner apps out there.
10:57:33 <warlord> As for "hiding dual entry" -- the basic ledger mode already does that. But there really is, fundamentally, no way to remove the requirement of the "transfer account".
10:57:46 <warlord> If you really want single-entry accounting, gnucash is not the place for you to start.
10:58:23 <warlord> As for bitcoin -- gnucash 2.6 cannot handle bitcoins. The best you could do is a milliBitcoin
10:59:14 <warlord> I'm not sure what you mean by "automatic update".. If you mean OFX Direct Connect to pull transactions from your credit union, that's there. In the US there are no other online pull methods supported.
10:59:26 <To7> I need to see what it does first so I need to build it ...
11:00:17 <To7> About Credit Union, I can force whatever protocol I want them to do by a vote.
11:00:51 <To7> So the first part to learn is to build it :)
11:01:05 <warlord> Why not just install it?
11:01:06 <To7> So I need to fix the Sed problem .... it's a know problem.
11:01:17 <warlord> If you just want to run it, just install it
11:01:59 <To7> I need something to replace Quicken ....
11:02:16 <To7> It's the closest I have seen in Open Source
11:03:05 <warlord> Well, perhaps just install gnucash -- no need to build it. There are windows installers.
11:03:12 <warlord> Just download and install and try it out.
11:03:49 <To7> I am trying to use open source to tweek it for what I need.
11:04:22 <warlord> I understand.....
11:04:36 <To7> Installing was done a long time ago
11:05:04 <To7> But I never got to transition from the Quicken / QuickBook duo to GnuCash
11:05:36 <To7> So before I even consider transitioning, I need to make sure I have a handle in the compiling part ... :)
11:07:55 <warlord> I still dont understand why you need to compile it.
11:08:43 <warlord> It sounds like you want to do a lot of work to it, but I can tell you now that adding direct scanning feature into gnucash wont be accepted, so you'll have to maintain that code yourself in perpetuity.
11:09:20 <warlord> And I still dont understand your "hide double entry" qualm, or how you expect to change that.
11:10:29 <To7> I don't know where to take it yet or what to decide .... but before it get started compiling is the first step :)
11:10:58 <To7> What I am trying to answer is : "Is it easy to setup the dev environment"
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11:16:37 <warlord> On windows, no
11:16:55 <warlord> Most of the devs work primarily on Linux; one works on Mac.
11:17:01 <warlord> Windows is kind of... off to the side.
11:17:24 <To7> I saw that :)
11:17:55 <To7> I do my dev on Linux as well, but need to make sure I can have my finish product.
11:18:51 <warlord> then I would recommend working with the dev team to ensure that any changes you propose would get pulled back into gnucash!
11:19:25 <To7> Proposed changes will be in a year or two :)
11:19:32 <To7> I am still at step 0.1 :)
11:21:26 <warlord> Fair enough, but I still recommend working within the developers framework
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13:07:12 <Jam> Hey hey, does anyone know why I might be getting an error where my report totals are always zero?
13:08:18 <warlord> Jam: bad report dates? missing prices/exchange rates?
13:10:34 <Jam> Boom, it was my currency settings
13:10:37 <Jam> Thanks!
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13:14:48 <warlord> you're welcome
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13:23:36 <jralls> To7: I haven't seen a sed problem in a long time. What version of Windows are you trying to build on?
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13:59:41 <To7> @jralls: I am using Windows 7 64bits - Brand new VMWare
13:59:41 <gncbot> To7: Error: "jralls:" is not a valid command.
14:01:23 <To7> Created the directoy c:\gcdev and downloaded the Bootstap_win_dev.vbs and let it rip. (Only thing I did before was to install Git for Windows w/o realizing that the bootstap would install everything.)
14:01:41 <jralls> To7: gncbot thinks that the at-sign starts a command. What's the actual error?
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14:03:02 <To7> Checking catalogue: msys-system-builder.xml; (item 112 of 112)
14:03:02 <To7> upgrade: mingw-get-0.6.2-mingw32-beta-20131004-1-gui.tar.xz
14:03:03 <To7> mingw-get.exe: *** INFO *** package mingw-get-0.6.2-mingw32-beta-20131004-1-gui. tar.xz is up to date
14:03:03 <To7> upgrade: mingw-get-0.6.2-mingw32-beta-20131004-1-lic.tar.xz
14:03:03 <To7> mingw-get.exe: *** INFO *** package mingw-get-0.6.2-mingw32-beta-20131004-1-lic. tar.xz is up to date
14:03:03 <To7> Attempting to install msys-wget-1.12-1
14:04:40 <To7> /usr/bin/sed: -e expression #1, char 26: unterminated `s' command
14:08:19 <To7> I was going to look at it and make it work but I wanted to know if this was normal .. last time I tried the compile thing was in February 2015 but got side tracked.
14:08:52 <To7> And see that a Nice One VB Script was added since
14:09:18 <jralls> Ah, that. I have seen that recently. I think the MSys folks screwed something up in their installation script.
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14:11:03 <To7> Dependencies, dependencies ... :)
14:11:40 <jralls> What happens if you say `mingw-get msys-wget` at the MSYS prompt?
14:13:03 <To7> (rebooted VMWare; installing Win7 updates) Will get back as soon it is over.
14:13:49 <jralls> OK.
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14:17:58 <gr8kodr> Quick question on Billing ... Can recurring Bills be scheduled, or do they need to be duplicated via the Find Bill interface?
14:20:15 <warlord> gr8kodr: you need to duplicate them
14:22:17 <gr8kodr> damn ... I'm recreating a rental ledger currently in Excel - with a 10 year history (sigh)
14:22:29 <warlord> Ignore the history.
14:23:19 <gr8kodr> I can't ... I need the history to prove my local real estate office owes me credit
14:23:45 <warlord> You have the history in excel
14:24:52 <warlord> Or just ignore the "bill" aspects of it (which implies ignoring A/R and A/P for your history) and enter the history as regular transactions.
14:25:16 <warlord> Or I suppose you could attempt to use the invoice importer
14:25:46 <warlord> but honestly, the business features are not designed for history.
14:25:52 <gr8kodr> I have my entire payment history from this address, but they purged their history when the property was sold, so they lost the record of which weekday I was paid to, now our records have a 1 day discrepancy
14:28:27 <gr8kodr> I'll continue as I was .. just entering each "Invoice" and the payment ... then I can print them a report showing when their errors occurred and where the corrections were made to bring the records back into line ...
14:28:58 <warlord> Okay.
14:29:00 <warlord> Good luck.
14:29:19 <gr8kodr> then we can do an adjusting invoice to bring my paid to date back into sync :)
14:30:27 <gr8kodr> which report do I use to show Bill details, or do they need to be shown individually?
14:30:56 <warlord> You have a few reports. the aging report, customer (vendor) report, or individual invoices.
14:32:50 <gr8kodr> I only need the adjustment invoices for reporting, so I might just "print" (to PDF) the specific Invoices, that way I can add extra notes to the report
14:33:05 <gr8kodr> thanks warlord:)
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14:58:05 <To7> warlord: I am back. To inquire that I am using the right prompt, MSYS promt is the MINGW64 bash window ?
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15:00:04 <warlord> that was jralls asking.
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15:00:19 <jralls> To7: Nope, MinGW's MSYS console.
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15:01:44 <To7> Warlord: sorry
15:02:51 <To7> jralls: so I can tpe the mingw-get there?
15:03:45 <jralls> T07: Yes. It might want you to say /c/gcdev/mingw/bin/mingw-get.
15:04:05 <To7> Well, in CMD or that other window, "Command Not find" ....
15:04:22 <jralls> T0y: As it happens I'm working on getting the build to behave in my Win10 VM and just had the same problem.
15:04:23 <To7> the wole path works
15:04:39 <To7> I got the Installation manager to pop up.
15:06:15 <To7> So, it's a dependency bug m the MSYS folks ?
15:16:49 <jralls> To7: Yeah, something's gone screwy, but darned if I can see what it is. The mingw-get package is from 2013.
15:17:28 <To7> I'll find it :) First dev test :)
15:17:53 <To7> Just needed confirmation that it was not me ...
15:18:36 <jralls> And sed from 2010.
15:29:40 <jralls> To7: Figured out what the problem is on my end: I was in the git shell instead of the gcdev shell. Git has its own, somewhat modified, mingw/msys so trying to cross the scripts has bad results.
15:30:17 <jralls> mingw-get not being on the path should have been a clue...
15:32:19 <To7> So technically, I should start with a blank OS, create the \gcdev dir and run the bootstrap vbs and that is it
15:32:38 <To7> everything should be there, git, the compiler, the installer, etc ....
15:38:30 <jralls> To7: Not quite. You run the bootstrap script from a CMD or Powershell window. It should install the basics; then you need to open the MSYS shell *for the right installation of MinGW*, cd to \gcdev\gnucash-on-windows.git, and run install.sh. Install.sh takes care of getting the rest of the environment in place.
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16:33:26 <jralls> I went to warlord's XP VM and found it hung with the sed error...
16:35:03 <jralls> Actually, a stack of them.
16:43:29 <jralls> I dismissed them and the scripted build continued. The last build log was 9/17.
16:45:00 <jralls> Anyway, what I was actually looking for was whether mingw/include/pthread.h was there, because my new win10 build environment doesn't have it and so the build stopped in util/guile.c. It's there, and it's in all of my other VMs, but I don't remember how it got there.
16:45:57 <jralls> gjanssens, do you remember anything about pthread.h?
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16:53:22 <To7> jralls: Thanks ....
17:02:08 <gjanssens> jralls: not really no
17:02:27 <gjanssens> As far as I remember it's installed by one of the mingw base packages
17:02:41 <gjanssens> It's been a while
17:03:01 <gjanssens> I've got visitors this evening so I can't dig in right now
17:03:06 <jralls> I found an error during the mingw update complaining about available version numbers.
17:03:17 <jralls> I'll get it sorted.
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17:21:53 <warlord> The video card arrived yesterday. The PSU arrives tomorrow. Most of the machine is already built and wired; I just need to install the PSU and Video and then I can work on OS and Hypervisor.
17:22:10 <warlord> So we should be able to migrate to a new build server in the not-too-distant future.
17:22:24 <warlord> (I still need to acquire a windows installer/license)
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17:48:30 <jralls> warlord: Meanwhile, more cosmic rays, this time with gnucash-devel. The Diagnostic code is just "smtp;', not at all helpful.
17:48:30 <To7> jralls: what I did wrong is not follow (c) in gnucash-on-windows README file. Thanks for the help ... I kept opening the wrong msys wshell window
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17:48:50 <jralls> To7: That *will* do it.
17:49:22 <jralls> T0y: Have you gotten a successful build or is it still working?
17:49:44 <To7> Still going at it but it's downloading the packages right now.
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19:22:56 <warlord> jralls: if it was from code, give me a timestamp and I can check the logs.
19:24:23 <warlord> There is a load of 32 on code right now..
19:26:55 <warlord> Hmm, being "attacked" by a Semrush Bot
19:44:48 <jralls> warlord: 21:43:44Z
19:56:28 <warlord> jralls: looking.
19:57:04 <warlord> Its rejecting connections because the load average is too high
20:02:39 <warlord> I can stop http to let the load come down...
20:03:06 <jralls> Is it a single-port dos?
20:03:37 <warlord> no
20:04:04 <warlord> Well, yes... It's all against port 80.. There were dozens of port 80 connections in SYN_SENT state... and many in CLOSE_WAIT state..
20:04:15 <warlord> I blocked their /24
20:04:42 <warlord> but there are still lots of http processes running... so I'm stopping it for now.
20:04:55 <warlord> And hey look -- load is now down to 6.
20:05:33 <warlord> now 4..
20:05:35 <warlord> so, restarting httpd
20:05:38 <jralls> Was it all semrushbot?
20:05:57 <warlord> Well, that was they were claiming ...
20:07:51 <jralls> Tried my mail again...
20:08:38 <jralls> Time to go make dinner.
20:09:23 <warlord> It should work now.
20:09:55 <warlord> How annoying, my net-block didn't take -- have to block each IP individually. They're using around 15 distinct IPs. :(
20:10:08 <warlord> I suppose I can fix it by adding a NULL route
20:14:41 <warlord> and.... blocking them fixed the issue (along with restarting httpd)
22:08:35 <warlord> ....for an hour
22:08:45 <warlord> Then the block released.
22:09:13 <warlord> I've put another block in place that wont timeout, but it will reset after the next reboot.
22:34:54 <To7> jralls: Almost .... Goffice not installed correctly, Aborting
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22:59:39 <Elitism> Just curious if you guys have experience with this
22:59:53 <Elitism> but i'm wanting to pull basically 10 years of statements from my bank
23:00:07 <Elitism> and they only allow me to see online data for 18 months. Any experience convincing banks to give out more data electronically?
23:18:42 <Elitism> Have any of you guys ever used TurboCASH, by the way?
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