2016-03-29 GnuCash IRC logs

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16:33:52 <jralls> gjanssens: Did you see the note I left for you the other day?
16:34:32 <gjanssens> jralls: I didn't see the note (just read it now)
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16:34:39 <gjanssens> I did see your changes
16:35:05 <gjanssens> I will have to double-check but I think it won't work anymore now
16:35:44 <gjanssens> There was a subtle issue in my original work which required me to explicitly unset a kvp
16:36:18 <gjanssens> Without that, is wasn't possible to return to the built-in counter default
16:36:35 <gjanssens> From what I see you have removed that unset branch of the if clause
16:37:04 <gjanssens> I intended to work on that today, but was afk almost all day
16:37:11 <gjanssens> I'll try again tomorrow
16:37:30 <gjanssens> Thanks for another release by the way :)
16:37:51 <gjanssens> Is private kvp a master-only feature ?
16:38:08 <jralls> Yes.
16:38:17 <gjanssens> Ok
16:38:58 <jralls> It's a first step. Engine needs to be moved to C++ before the next one.
16:38:59 <warlord> hey, jralls, gjanssens -- are either of you sendmail experts?
16:39:08 <gjanssens> How about commit fbec25529ac and d7112e9ff, shouldn't they go on maint also ?
16:39:34 <gjanssens> warlord: I have some experience with postfix, not sendmail
16:39:47 <jralls> warlord: I used to be, but I haven't done anything with sendmail in 10 years. All postfix since.
16:39:54 <warlord> :(
16:40:08 <warlord> Maybe I should spend the time to convert code from sendmail to postfix.
16:40:25 <jralls> It's a *lot* easier to administer.
16:40:30 <gjanssens> Agreed
16:41:25 <gjanssens> Anyway, I quickly passed by to talk about your change jralls and the question whether the two commits would make sense on maint
16:41:44 <gjanssens> It's late here, so I won't stay around tonight.
16:42:32 <gjanssens> See you later
16:43:05 <jralls> gjanssens: I think that fbec255 was fixing a mistake I made in master, not maint, but I'll dig a little deeper. The d7112e9 changes were flagged when I switched to master and hadn't been in maint so I assumed that they were master-only. I'll look at those too to make sure.
16:43:10 <jralls> Good night.
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16:44:20 <jralls> warlord: What's the mail problem you're having?
16:45:23 <warlord> spam getting through because the from: address is "local"
16:46:05 <jralls> That's usually handled with an add-on like Spamassassin.
16:46:11 <warlord> I'm not sure why it's accepting "mail from" a local address.
16:46:15 <warlord> I have SA.
16:46:41 <warlord> And honestly it's usually handled before SA. the mailer knows when an external source is sending mail "from" itself.
16:48:08 <warlord> for postfix I can add reject_unauthenticated_sender_login_mismatch -- I'm looking for a sendmail equivalent
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16:50:07 <jralls> This looks like a good starting point: http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/doc8.12/cf/m4/anti_spam.html
16:51:36 <warlord> The problem isn't using the system as a relay, it's sending mail to local endpoints but claiming to be a local sender when it's not. E.g. from: user@foo.example, to: user@foo.example
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16:53:12 <jralls> Yes, I understand. There's more besides relays further down, but I don't see anything about faked from headers.
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17:00:42 <warlord> Ditto. I've read that page earlier. But it doesn't look like it's just a faked header, but a fake "MAIL FROM" smtp command.
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17:07:44 <jralls> Yes, but the relaying MTA just parses the from header and passes the result in the MAIL FROM.
17:09:17 <warlord> The origin MUA does, yes. At my side I see both the SMTP MAIL FROM: and DATA (From: header) sections... They are effectively connecting directly to my server and claiming to be a "local" user. This shouldn't be possible, but because the RCPT TO: is local it seems to be bypasing the auth check
17:11:43 <jralls> Every MTA in the chain between the originating MUA and the destination MTA does too. The system was originally designed for a store-and-forward dialup network, so there's no state kept between the receipt and send on a relay MTA.
17:13:06 <warlord> jralls: No, the envelope and the body (including the headers) are usually kept separately. The MAIL FROM: does not need to be the same as the in-mail From: header.
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17:21:13 <jralls> Only during processing. The info from the setup commands (HELO/MAIL FROM/RCPT TO) are encoded in the Received headers added to the mail when it's spooled. I presume that's how you know that someone is pumping spam at you directly without any relays.
17:23:04 <warlord> Yes, during processing, which in a multi-hop MTA gets sent separately. The mail message is not "re-parsed" enroute. But yes, I'm seeing that the received-by headers imply a direct connection to my server..
17:23:20 <jralls> Anyway, I'm sure there's a way to add a rule to sendmail that looks at the From: or the MAIL FROM and rejects a local domain if the HELO host isn't localhost. I just don't remember how.
17:24:01 <warlord> Me either... And google is failing me... And the documentation is... old.
17:24:44 <jralls> Of course it's re-parsed. That's how store-and-forward works. That's why my original announcement email showed up on gnucash-user 18 hours after I'd sent it.
17:25:11 <warlord> It's not reparsed. The MTA stores the envelope data in one file and the message itself in another file.
17:25:41 <jralls> It seems that Google knows mostly about postfix, and you already know how to set up what you want in postfix. Seems like a sign from Above to me. ;-)
17:25:56 <warlord> I've worked with the SMTP protocol for about 25 years; I know the person who invented it (including the guy who came up with the @-notation)..
17:26:04 <warlord> LOL.
17:26:05 <warlord> Yeah.. :(
17:40:50 <warlord> Aha, I think I figured out how to do it..
17:41:22 <warlord> Oh, dammit -- that doesn't work..
17:46:42 <Simon> you do realise HELO can be faked too? you need to check the sending IP
17:48:05 <warlord> I dont care about the HELO, it's the MAIL FROM:
17:50:28 <warlord> Alas, when I block it from /etc/mail/access then it blocks mailman too :(
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18:55:44 <andrewralph> Hi Experts I have imported QIF data from a bank account to my gnu cash accounts, the detail information in the description box is from the bank account referance. I am manually sellecting the specific accounts I want to assign the transactions to from the drop down menu from the box for each individual transactions in the transfer coulumn, most of these are reocurring. I think I have missed a step in the import process of linking
18:55:44 <andrewralph> the transaction in the description column to the specific account in the transfer column, saving me the repetative individual assignment. Could you review how I might do this when importing or setting it up after the data has benn imported. Thanks Andrew
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19:12:18 <jason> I've been googling for awhile. Setting up my business to accept credit cards. Going with PayPal Here for it, there is a 2.7% charge for each transaction. How do I set this up to balance in my Gnucash file. Currently I have a PayPal vendor and enter it as a bill when I do a credit card for that week. Thinking there has to be a more efficient way to keep it balanced. Suggestions or guidance
19:12:20 <jason> appreciated.
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20:14:33 <warlord> andrewralph: you're right; during the import you should do that mapping
20:15:20 <warlord> jason: you could just enter in 123.45 * 0.027
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23:13:23 <hits> Thank you devs for Gnucash. Just starting out with it. Liking it
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