2016-03-19 GnuCash IRC logs
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05:12:51 <gnomey> i have data loss
05:13:13 <gnomey> i shutdown gc after adding one or two transactions
05:13:19 <gnomey> (kill -9)
05:13:41 <gnomey> and i didn't just lose the 1-2 transactions.. my whole register is fucked
05:14:41 <gnomey> i see there are *.log files.. how do I use them?
05:15:11 <finster> kill -9 is not exactly a shutdown. it's like pulling the power chord
05:15:23 <finster> cord
05:15:48 <gnomey> indeed.. I did a "shutdown -h now", and the effect of that is kill -9 on everything
05:16:00 <gnomey> gnucash is *very* touchy
05:16:18 <gnomey> i try to remember to close it, but sometimes I fail
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05:18:19 <gjanssens> gnomey: you can use the log files via File->Import->Replay gnucash log file
05:18:34 <gjanssens> Note the log files are limited in capability
05:18:45 <gjanssens> They only record transactions
05:19:07 <gnomey> gjanssens: thanks! i'll go to my last backed-up .gnucash file, and import all *.log created thereafter
05:19:07 <gjanssens> If you had added/deleted accounts, these will be gone
05:19:40 <gjanssens> I'm surprised though your whole register is messed up
05:19:55 <gjanssens> Did you do the reboot while an autosave was in progress ?
05:20:58 <gnomey> well, i have no idea. If I knew gnucash was open, I would have closed it gracefully first (as I know how fragile it can be)
05:21:25 <gnomey> the balance is off by tens of thousands
05:21:54 <gnomey> and many transactions of type "increase" are there, but no longer reconciled
05:22:23 <gnomey> so reconciliation marks were lost for years back
05:22:31 <gnomey> seems really bizarre
05:22:53 <finster> gnomey: you probably have a backup, do you?
05:23:48 <gnomey> finster: it appears so. I only proactively backup my file every ~4-6 months (not often enough)... but it appears gnucash created backups regularly
05:23:52 <gnomey> so that might save my ass
05:24:53 <gnomey> i'll exit from my scewed up file, and rename it as "corrupt...", and copy the most recent to the current filename
05:31:43 <gnomey> btw, i'm using the XML-formatted data file. I suspect the sqlite setup would be more resilient to gc corruption
05:35:33 <gnomey> isn't it foolish that "shutdown -h now" does a kill -9 on everything? It should do a SIGTERM, then wait for everything to self-terminate.
05:35:47 <gnomey> I'll have to look into smartening the /shutdown/ command
05:36:04 <gjanssens> sql should indeed be more resilient, but still may have some corner cases that are buggy
05:36:18 <gjanssens> kill -9 is indeed quite drastic
05:37:51 <gnomey> OTOH, "kill -s SIGTERM" may not have helped.. gc probably doesn't save the file in that case
05:38:07 <gnomey> is there a signal that tells gc to save?
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05:49:56 <finster> gnomey: just quiting gnucash regularly is not an option, I suppose?
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05:51:20 <gnomey> finster: that's already what I try to do. but i need a safety net
05:52:16 <gnomey> fuck me.. the last backup has the same corruption, and the backup before that. it's almost hard to believe it could have been correupt for over a week
05:53:12 <gnomey> i think i would have noticed
05:53:20 <gnomey> trying the 3rd to the last now
05:54:05 <gnomey> shit. There's something else going on here
05:54:21 <gnomey> every file i open, it says "22 transactions added"
05:54:49 <gnomey> that's a hell of a lot of transactions. it's well exceeding the number of transactions that I would put in the editor
05:55:47 <gnomey> ah!
05:55:56 <gnomey> i see the problem.. it's not corruption after all
05:56:45 <gnomey> i added salary as a scheduled transaction with a start date of years past
05:57:06 <gnomey> so just a bad start date
05:58:30 <gnomey> question-- how can I start gnucash in a way that it does not process the scheduled transactions?
06:03:44 <gnomey> looks like I have to delete them manually
06:04:22 <gnomey> (which is a pain in the ass because the "don't ask again this session" confirmation does not work.. it asks me every time)
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06:08:04 <gnomey> it's always annoyed me that it says "<N> transactions added" without showing which transactions
06:10:00 <gjanssens> hmm, not sure how to do that
06:10:18 <gjanssens> I always configure my SX such that I have to confirm before they get added
06:10:34 <gjanssens> That will also show you which transactions will get added
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07:55:16 <finster> so gnucash keeps a whole lot of .log files in the directory of the book file. is it okay to move older log files out of the way, into a separate directory?
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09:25:26 <finster> quote from the gnucahs logging wiki page: "As of Winter 2007"
09:25:33 <finster> we're in 2016, right?
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09:29:02 <finster> okay, that particular page was last modified in 2011. one could assume gucash development is dead?
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09:49:12 <gjanssens> finster: you can safely (re)move the log files. Gnucash doesn't need them to function properly.
09:49:29 <gjanssens> They are some kind of backup files in case something goes wrong.
09:50:06 <gjanssens> Strictly speaking the only log files that are worth keeping are those since the last successful backup gnucash makes
09:50:24 <gjanssens> The "successful" part is the tricky thing here.
09:51:13 <gjanssens> If you made mistakes and have saved several iterations since, your recent backups are no good
09:51:21 <gjanssens> A transaction log can help
09:51:44 <gjanssens> in those cases to reconstruct most of what you did so far
09:52:21 <gjanssens> You can even manually tweak these logs to filter out the bad transactions, although that's tricky
09:53:53 <finster> gjanssens: okay. thanks for the explanation. I'll move the files into a separate directory then, which is not covered by my regular backup.
09:54:48 <gjanssens> And about the "As of Winter 2007", and the last update of the logging wiki page. What about it does you assume gnucash development is dead ?
09:55:24 <gjanssens> There have been new releases roughly every 3 months as displayed on the main gnucash page
09:56:09 <gjanssens> Would you be more comfortable if the date indications where removed ?
09:57:10 <finster> gjanssens: it was kind of a teasing statement, probably not justified by any means. one could, however, get the impression that gnucash development stalled at some point.
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09:58:16 <finster> not to get me wrong: i like gnucash and the effort all the volunteers take in their spare time
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10:00:32 <gjanssens> Heh, got me there. I tend to be too serious... :(
10:01:39 <finster> gjanssens: really, no offense meant :)
10:01:54 <gjanssens> None taken
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12:19:01 <user> Hi I am trying to get comfortable with release 2.6.11 in Debian Jessie with Gnome. Generally, it is working ok but in the OFX import window for matching new transaction to existing, the window that is supposed to be showing the new transaction is not tall enough to see the top and bottom of characters. I cannot find a handle to expand it vertically.
12:22:19 <user> is it a matter of knowing where to look or is it missing?
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12:27:47 <user> I have already used the Gnome tweak tool to reduce the desktop fonts mostly to 9 pts.
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12:50:11 <gjanssens> jralls: thanks for your feedback on my text for the split memo
12:50:29 <gjanssens> I have used your last version as the others were getting long
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13:49:52 <jralls> gjanssens: You're welcome. I saw your post on the BZ.
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15:29:59 <warlord> finster: URL to page that says "As of Winter 2007" please?
15:30:49 <finster> warlord: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/index.php?title=Logging&action=history
15:32:13 <finster> warlord: cute nick btw
15:34:05 <warlord> Thanks. I've had it for 27 years.
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15:35:57 <warlord> Okay, changed that to "Since 2007 GnuCash has an ad-hoc layer.."
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