2016-01-08 GnuCash IRC logs
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01:02:23 <Tropicalrambler> jralls, cannot find gnucash.pot as per your instructions to begin translation from 2.6.7 gnucash.pot, where can I find it?
01:04:04 <Tropicalrambler> seems like you are no longer using it.
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09:04:29 <Tropicalrambler> jralls, nevermind. Found it.
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10:39:31 <lns> Hi all. In "Profit and Loss" report, is there a way for me to show a *percentage* of expense items? I own a home-based business and I need to show the actual percentage of each expense as per things like home office square footage, percent of auto expenses used for business, etc.
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10:58:15 <warlord> lns: I dont understand the question.
10:58:42 <warlord> Percentage of what?
10:58:58 <warlord> Percentage of total expenses? Percentage of some subset?
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10:59:24 <lns> warlord: So I need to generate a profit & loss report where each expense item reflects a *percentage* of the total of each subset (for example rent expense account).
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11:00:21 <lns> Right now the only thing I can come up with is to create separate expense accounts and manually calculate percentages to enter in these accounts, and select the new/calculated expense accounts in my PnL
11:01:27 <lns> I am a sole proprieter so the accurate way to reflect my actual business expenses (vs. personal expenses) is to take a percentage of each expense account.
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11:08:49 <fell> Ins: How about a piechart of your expenses?
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11:09:51 <lns> fell: can I generate a piechart that reflects a percentage of each expense account?
11:15:57 <fell> The piechart reports show by default the percentage.
11:16:54 <warlord> lns: so what you want to see is a report where each line item is, e.g. 10% of the total expense? (is the percentage a constant everywhere?)
11:17:19 <lns> warlord: First question, yes. Second, no.
11:18:08 <warlord> So how do you know what percentage to use for each line-item?
11:18:18 <warlord> (or better yet, how is GNUCASH supposed to know?)
11:18:27 <lns> For example, I would allocate 25% of my cell phone usage to business use, but 10% of electricity usage.
11:19:00 <lns> warlord: well I guess that's my question :) Are there facilities in gnucash to enter these percentages? My guess is no at this point.
11:19:54 <warlord> Yeah, I think the only way for this to work would be for you to manually split out the "personal" vs "business" expenses. There's no programatic way to do what you're asking after-the-fact.
11:20:13 <warlord> Note that when you enter in the transaction you can say, e.g. 123.45 * .25 -- to compute 25%
11:20:36 <lns> warlord: Ok, cool. Thanks :)
11:24:57 <warlord> gnucash's amount entries have equation parsers/evaluation :)
11:27:43 <lns> warlord: that's really cool :) I didn't know that. But of course I'm sure it doesn't store the actual equation elements as for further processing later?
11:30:25 <warlord> no, it evaluates it immediately
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12:02:26 <codesmythe> jralls: gnucash-on-osx/modulesets/gnucash.modules at line 35 has a reference to /Users/john/…, left over from 2.6.10 release process I suppose.
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12:15:24 * linus^ I have used gnucash with PClinuxOS for several years, normally only one a year Jan through Feb for several small companies I keep books for. This year I can't get the program to stay open either starting from scratch or opening a saved **.gnucash file from last year. I have reinstalled using synaptic but no result. Suggestions? Solutions?
12:28:01 <warlord> linus^: get a crash dump?
12:29:03 <warlord> c.f. http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stack_Trace and http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile
12:38:04 * linus^ More info my PClinus machine is running KDE desk top. Gnucash does not fully open I will work on obtaining the crash dump. There is no process listed for gnucash so far
12:38:43 <warlord> run it under gdb?
12:40:48 <linus^> gnucash.trace = * 12:33:35 WARN <gnc.backend.dbi> [gnc_module_init_backend_dbi()] No DBD drivers found
12:42:19 <warlord> that only means you can't use any of the SQL backends. That's not fatal
12:43:58 <warlord> linas: FYI, I've lost my IPv6 tunnel; could you (temporarily) comment out the AAAA record for code.gnucash.org?
12:45:39 <linus^> just installed gdb will try to run with this
12:49:49 * linus^ Here is the out put. * 12:33:35 WARN <gnc.backend.dbi> [gnc_module_init_backend_dbi()] No DBD drivers found
12:50:49 <linus^> Sorry it did not paste I'll try sending the txt file
12:52:47 <warlord> linus^: pastebin is fine
12:53:17 <linus^> (gdb) run
12:53:17 <linus^> Starting program: /usr/bin/gnucash
12:53:17 <linus^> warning: Could not load shared library symbols for linux-vdso.so.1.
12:53:17 <linus^> Do you need "set solib-search-path" or "set sysroot"?
12:53:17 <linus^> warning: File "/lib64/libthread_db-1.0.so" auto-loading has been declined by your `auto-load safe-path' set to "$debugdir:$datadir/auto-load".
12:53:18 <linus^> To enable execution of this file add
12:53:20 <linus^> add-auto-load-safe-path /lib64/libthread_db-1.0.so
12:53:22 <linus^> line to your configuration file "/home/gpb/.gdbinit".
12:53:24 <linus^> To completely disable this security protection add
12:53:26 <linus^> set auto-load safe-path /
12:53:28 <linus^> line to your configuration file "/home/gpb/.gdbinit".
12:53:30 <linus^> For more information about this security protection see the
12:53:32 <linus^> "Auto-loading safe path" section in the GDB manual. E.g., run from the shell:
12:53:36 <linus^> info "(gdb)Auto-loading safe path"
12:53:38 <linus^> warning: Unable to find libthread_db matching inferior's thread library, thread debugging will not be available.
12:53:41 <linus^> Backtrace:
12:53:43 <linus^> In unknown file:
12:53:45 <linus^> ?: 0* [primitive-load-path "slib/guile.init"]
12:53:47 <linus^> <unnamed port>: In procedure primitive-load-path in expression (primitive-load-path name):
12:53:49 <linus^> <unnamed port>: Unable to find file "slib/guile.init" in load path
12:53:51 <warlord> linus^: STOP......
12:53:51 <linus^> [LWP 4523 exited]
12:53:53 <linus^> [Inferior 1 (process 4523) exited with code 01]
12:53:54 <warlord> PASTEBIN!!!
12:53:55 <linus^> (gdb) ^CQuit
12:53:57 <linus^> (gdb) ^CQuit
12:54:10 <warlord> USE PASTEBIN!!!!!
12:56:14 <warlord> linus^: you have a guile/slib problem that is unrelated to gnucash.
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12:56:30 <warlord> what happens if you run: guile
12:57:01 <warlord> then when you get the > prompt (assuming you do) type: (version)
12:57:12 <warlord> then hit control-D to get out of the guile interpreter.
12:59:17 <linus^> responce is "scrioted guile language is not supported by this copy of GDB
12:59:23 <linus^> scripted
12:59:41 <warlord> from the command-line ... not gdb
13:00:10 <linus^> I was on the command line will try again
13:01:52 <linus^> version = primitive procedure version
13:03:07 <warlord> You didn't type what I said to type: (version)
13:04:21 <linus^> at the guile> prompt I typed "version" no quotes the out put was as above
13:04:32 <warlord> that's not what I told you to type
13:04:38 <linus^> (version)
13:04:45 <warlord> Yes, that's what I told you to type.
13:05:13 <warlord> type that into guile, exactly.
13:05:23 <linus^> out put 1.8.8
13:05:49 <warlord> and what version of gnucash is this?
13:07:14 <warlord> jralls: do you recall offhand when the guile/slib dependency was removed?
13:07:54 <linus^> 2.4.15pclos201.2.4.15-5pclos2015
13:08:28 <warlord> Oh, 2.4.15??
13:08:33 <warlord> Wow, that is OOOLLLLDDDD
13:08:54 <warlord> Okay, you MIGHT still have an slib dependency...
13:09:19 <warlord> Does your system supply an slib package?
13:09:33 <linus^> I'll see
13:10:04 <warlord> any chance you could update to gnucash 2.6.10?
13:10:12 <warlord> 2.4.15 is like 3+ years old
13:10:53 <linus^> yes slib is installed 3b4-1pclos2015
13:12:04 <linus^> I could go outside our repository but that can mess other things up. I would like to solve for all PClinuxOs users
13:12:35 <warlord> for kicks, try running gnucash as root once?
13:13:07 <linus^> In a kde desktop or a terminal?
13:13:30 <warlord> I dont undertand the question?
13:13:44 <linus^> Ok I'll try both
13:14:07 <warlord> doesn't matter if you login as root into the GUI, or if you 'su root' in a KDE terminal shell
13:15:36 <linus^> root GUI did the same thing looks as if it starting then gone
13:19:21 <warlord> same guile error?
13:19:39 <linus^> will check
13:20:38 <warlord> My guess is still that your guile/slib installation is broken. Has gnucash EVER worked on this installation?
13:21:20 <linus^> no but it's been a year
13:22:32 <linus^> Should I reinstall guile and slib?
13:23:01 <warlord> before you do that... you're saying that gnucash has never worked on this system?
13:24:28 <linus^> No It has worked last year Jan and Feb
13:25:01 <linus^> I do keep the machine updated but only through the repository
13:25:56 <warlord> But you've never tried running gnucash in the past 11 months, so some update most likely broke it. I would suggest you contact your distro provider about this.. not to mention that 2.4.x is extremely old!
13:27:16 <linus^> OK I'll try a guile and slib reinstall though and msg TexStar the PClinusOs founder
13:27:51 <linus^> Thanks for helping
13:28:10 <warlord> You'll need to work on getting guile to load slib.
13:28:32 <warlord> It's been so long I dont recall how to do it.
13:31:38 <linus^> Ok bye for now
13:33:05 <warlord> Good luck
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14:35:16 * linus^ Opening gnucash on PClinuxOS solved Thanks warlord for your help open root terminal gnucash then close and all users are able to open.
14:37:13 * linus^ Here is the link http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,134725.0.html
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15:41:56 <linas> hi warlord
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17:02:16 <jralls> codesmythe: Fixed, thanks.
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17:11:48 <Tropicalrambler> Was working on the 2.6.7. pot file for translation, and I noticed that there are job owners and invoice owners. will 2.6.7 feature users for the software?
17:12:59 <warlord> Tropicalrambler: "owner" means "customer" and "vendor" in that context
17:13:13 <Tropicalrambler> Thanks for defining.
17:13:32 <warlord> The owner of a job is a customer or vendor. The owner of an invoice is a customer, vendor, employee, or job
17:14:07 <warlord> The ultimate owner defines what kind of data object it is (e..g Customer Invoice vs. Vendor Bill vs. Employee Voucher)
17:14:17 <Tropicalrambler> Makes perfect sense.
17:14:24 <warlord> linas: Hi
17:14:37 <warlord> linas: sorry -- missed you popped in.
17:15:06 <warlord> linas: As I said earlier, I temporarily lost IPv6, so we should disable code's AAAA record in DNS. When I get v6 back it's likely I'll be renumbered.
17:15:44 <warlord> gotta run...
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18:45:42 <jralls> codesmythe: Were you able to make any progress on backporting cmake building to maint?
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20:21:42 <codesmythe> Yep, build and install works on OS X. Double checking that I've included all glade and other non-code files. I was building maint to compare install directories when I ran in the module thing I mentioned earlier.
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20:37:37 <codesmythe> Once I get OS X and Linux in working order, I'll do Windows.
20:40:05 <codesmythe> In parallel, I've been working on getting 'make check' to work, but that's still a few weeks out.
20:42:31 <fell> Tropicalrambler, you can find a much more recent gnucash.pot in https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760079
20:44:43 <fell> I would like to suggest, msgmerge it in your es.po
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21:00:10 <Tropicalrambler> I hope it did not change much from previous version. I'm already at line 3019 of the 2.6.7 file :S
21:04:27 <fell> Thats, where msgmerge is for. It should be explained in the wiki on the tranlation page.
21:10:45 <Tropicalrambler> Thanks fell. Will go and learn. thanks for the pointer.
21:13:40 <fell> Good luck! And don't hesitate to ask, if things are not transparent.
21:14:08 <fell> Here or on the mailing list
21:14:23 <Tropicalrambler> I will. I am also documenting the procedure for contributions in spanish, at the end of my adventure I will update the wiki or the documentation
21:16:22 <fell> Yeah, I didn't really finish the restructuring of the page.
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21:38:23 <fell> jralls, I am just wondering about commit 79bb4b8. Shouldn't "*.gschema.xml.in" be inserted in .gitignore?
21:39:53 <fell> As somebody preferring a separate build dir, I didn_t see it before.
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22:30:03 <warlord> fell, is a .xml.in file actually generated during the build? What generates it?
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22:30:39 <fell> the respective .in.in
22:30:49 <warlord> Oh.
22:30:55 <warlord> Then yes, it should be in .gitignore.
22:33:17 <fell> They got a gettext-domain="@GETTEXT_PACKAGE@
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22:33:45 <fell> I will add it
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