2016-01-05 GnuCash IRC logs

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08:23:56 * mikee is reading https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/making-tax-digital
08:27:05 <mikee> Reducing the burden of annual tax returns by making small business update every quarter instead.
08:28:08 <mikee> Using an app or UK goc supplied software. What can possibly go wrong?
08:28:22 <mikee> s/goc/gov/
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10:12:57 <warlord> mikee: hahah... the best gov't money can buy?
10:21:56 <fell> @tell Mechtilde You might wish to replace "(Ansatz)" in http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/FAQ by a more suitable term.
10:21:56 <gncbot> fell: The operation succeeded.
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11:06:54 * mikee Just reading a UK gov paper concerning passwords:
11:07:11 <mikee> Step 1: Converting to lower case and UTF-8 encoding
11:07:25 <mikee> So no point in using mixed case then?
11:07:48 <mikee> Step 2: MD5 hashing
11:08:15 <mikee> As if MD5 is still a secure hashing method?
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11:10:35 <mikee> In a document called "Government Gateway Document Submission Protocol" from the HMRC website. (That's the UK tax people).
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11:12:27 <mikee> I assume these protocols are to be used when interfacing with their new tax reporting system.
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11:14:51 <mikee> I wonder if max_pass_len = 8;
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11:24:31 <mikee> Ah, it's an "alphanumeric string", so that's alright then.
11:24:45 <mikee> I need a drink now...
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12:00:47 <jralls> @tell fell You can attach the pot to the bug if you like, but TP won't do anything with it. They only work on release tarballs.
12:00:47 <gncbot> jralls: The operation succeeded.
12:03:17 <Mechtilde> TP?
12:03:17 <gncbot> Mechtilde: Sent 1 hour and 41 minutes ago: <fell> You might wish to replace (Ansatz) in http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/FAQ by a more suitable term.
12:04:47 <warlord> Translation Project
12:05:42 <Mechtilde> thanks
13:07:53 <fell_> jralls: OK, I will commit my changes and attach the new pot to bugzilla and perhaps annouce it on devel.
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13:08:09 <jralls> OK.
13:09:06 <fell> and yes. I read the TP guidelines, also in context with the other intltool bugs we have.
13:09:06 <gncbot> fell: Sent 1 hour and 8 minutes ago: <jralls> You can attach the pot to the bug if you like, but TP won't do anything with it. They only work on release tarballs.
13:10:11 <Mechtilde> and then they stumble over some problems to generate an actual *.pot file
13:11:07 <fell> Mechtilde, if you like, I will merge it in de.po
13:11:27 <fell> then you can git rebase
13:12:16 <Mechtilde> that makes it easier for me
13:12:48 <fell> It will remove meaningless placeholder labels like postd
13:17:50 <jralls> fell: Did you fix the build system so that xgettext picks up the context-labeled strings in glade files when building in-source?
13:20:15 <fell> Still in progress...
13:21:06 <fell> If you release in between use a build dir to get the right pot
13:23:25 <fell> Mechtilde, it is in github now.
13:23:44 <Mechtilde> thanks
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17:15:42 <omni> I'm having a technical problem that's making GNUcash unusable. Whenever I click on "Transfer" to assign an account with an entry, nothing pops up, making me unable to record any transactions. I also note the buttons that say "transfer" "reconcile" also can't be pressed. Tried restarting the software multple times. Help?
17:16:51 <fell> omni, tell us more: GC version, OS, ...
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17:18:17 <fell> BTW, did you try <alt> or <ctrl><Arrow down> to get the account list, too?
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18:44:48 <omni> I'm trying to get help for my problem that I posted about, but this server keeps disconnecting me
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20:17:57 <warlord> jralls: BTW, does the maint gnucash-docs build look good?
20:18:10 <warlord> It certainly seems to have converted to origin/maint
20:23:38 <jralls> warlord: Yup, looks good to me. We need to change the website so that it says stable instead of unstable. Also git instead of subversion.
20:24:46 <jralls> Looks like the developer docs still point to master.
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20:28:29 <warlord> They do. I'm working on that right now. (going to be building both side-by-side)
20:29:11 <jralls> Website updated.
20:29:54 <warlord> As of tonight there should be a docs/HEAD and docs/STABLE
20:31:47 <warlord> gnucash repo is up to 133MB
20:31:49 <jralls> I'd do it docs/MASTER and docs/MAINT. Makes it crystal clear what branch each goes with.
20:32:48 <warlord> Okay, I can "rename" HEAD -> MASTER (I'll leave the links in place so as not to break existing links to the docs)
20:33:09 * fell was alway wondering about the meaning of "HEAD" in the docs dir.
20:35:18 <fell> Has some an idea how to prevent google from listing 2.4 docs first?
20:35:27 <warlord> fell: from SVN days
20:35:47 <warlord> jralls: I'm building the docs manually now to test it out..
20:38:14 <jralls> fell: The 2.4 docs have a higher google score probably because there are a bunch of websites that point to them. To fix it you'd have to track down all the webmasters and get them to fix their pointers.
20:43:23 <fell> We can not add some mark like "Outdated!" this nofollow for bots?
20:43:47 <fell> ...or this...
20:43:52 <jralls> fell: I don't know about managing bots.
20:44:29 <warlord> okay, MAINT and MASTER dev-docs should be available. Please verify?
20:45:08 <jralls> warlord: Checks.
20:45:21 <fell> yep
20:46:07 <jralls> fell: In our robots.txt we have Disallow: /docs/vxx for xx = 1.6 ... 2.2. I'll add 2.4 and we'll see what happens.
20:47:43 <fell> Fine
21:00:59 <fell> warlord, about http://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/bus-setuptaxtables.html below account:
21:01:17 <fell> For tax paid to vendors ...
21:01:46 <fell> in DE would be wrong. How is it in US?
21:03:47 <jralls> fell: In the US, well in most states because we don't have a federal sales tax (yet), you don't pay tax on inputs. Tax is only collected from end users.
21:04:12 <fell> like NL :-)
21:04:34 <jralls> OK.
21:05:00 <jralls> I think the bit about vendor offsets applies to the UK. How does it work in DE?
21:06:03 <fell> It is an asset, which usually will reduce your liability.
21:07:11 <fell> Probably mikee can comment on it in a few haours?
21:08:14 <jralls> Maybe. He's in the UK, but he might know how DE works. Wm explained it in detail on gnucash-user a couple of weeks ago.
21:08:33 <jralls> Including how to fill out their form.
21:10:48 <fell> Yesterday I finished reading and answering -de, now I will read -nl and -devel as soon, as there is time. So -user has a low priority for me. But thanks for the hint.
21:13:02 <jralls> user is pretty active. It can be a serious time-sink.
21:16:09 <lifebird74> so I tried the "Use Trading Accounts" option/method for currency exchanges but running the trial balance report it was off -- because the 'Trading' account debits/credits weren't listed. Changing nothing else but moving those transactions to a set of similarly-purposed equity accounts instead... trial balance works. Wonder if this is potentially a 'bug', a 'feature', or if I was going about 'Use Trading Accounts' all wrong. :/
21:18:45 <jralls> Dinner time...
21:18:59 <lifebird74> agreed! enjoy
21:20:06 <fell> The problem is, the result is not realized, but pending. And that is the reason, it should not below equity.
21:23:37 <lifebird74> the odd part though... the 'debits' side of the trial balance wouldn't even display at all; only the credits. There were some gain/loss parts at the bottom but I couldn't make sense of it. Tried googling around for 'gnucash trial balance' but didn't find much of anything describing it. Perhaps when I understand this right I could contribute a wiki article somewhere ;)
21:25:53 <fell> Did you read the paper by P. Selinger, where he decribed the pitfalls of multicurrency in older gnucash versions?
21:28:28 <fell> http://www.mscs.dal.ca/~selinger/accounting/gnucash.html
21:28:30 <lifebird74> long ago; yes. I've used his methods in older gnucash versions. Should I read it again, perhaps?
21:29:37 <fell> That was the base to implement the trading accounts after long discussion.
21:31:17 <fell> But I am pretty shure, the reports were only partial reviewed after the introduction of that feature.
21:32:11 <lifebird74> k. I'll read it again. one thing I haven't been able to wrap my head around is what sort of 'account' the trading account is mimicking. A negative balance for these accounts results in an unrealized gain on the balance sheet... and vice-versa. I'm mentally flexible but that befuddled me at first.
21:33:07 <lifebird74> not complaining; trust me... I'm no expert. Just tryin' to learn :) so thanks for taking this time with me.
21:34:16 <fell> You could discuss it on the mailing list, prbably with the experts.
21:35:06 <lifebird74> will do (if need be after I carefully re-read that article you linked); thanks again
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