2016-01-04 GnuCash IRC logs

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10:42:02 <Freso> Hello. I'm trying to enter some money I borrowed to a friend via buying something for them, but I can't seem to get it to register right. I have an "Assets:Personal loans:Friend" account and in the transaction, I've tried to make the part of the split transaction point to that asset account instead of Expenses:Miscellaneous, but that messes up everything.
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10:52:51 <warlord> Freso: Can you describe that *actual* purchase transaction you made, and then we can help you model that in GnuCash. I.e., did you buy something for a friend, or are you splitting the costs?
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11:05:34 <Freso> The way things are now, it says I have a negative amount in the "Assets:Personal loans:Friend", which is just wrong, but if I move it to the correct column, it wants to have withdrawn less from the CC/bank account asset.
11:07:24 <Freso> (I did look at http://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.6/C/gnucash-guide/loans_personalLoanToSomeOne.html, but that doesn't help. I've also tried DDG'ing the case, also to no avail.)
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11:24:47 <warlord> Freso: I'm not sure what you mean by "withdrawn less from the CC/bank account"
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11:25:37 <warlord> Basically, assuming you bought it for a friend (and it's not a split), then it would be a regular transaction from your purchase account (bank/cc/cash) to your Asset:Personal Loans:Friend account. It would decrease your Bank (or increase your CC), and increase the Loan
11:27:01 <Freso> warlord: Say, I go to the grocery shop and pick up some stuff as well as some cigarettes for my friend. This withdraws 150 DKK, 100 of those DKK get assigned to my own Expense accounts as appropriate, but the last 50 I assign to Assets:...:Friend. In total, this withdraws 150,- from the bank account.
11:27:16 <Freso> However, Assets:...:Friend now shows as -50
11:28:03 <Freso> If I move the fifty to the other column, it will want to only have withdrawn 100 from the bank.
11:28:46 <Freso> (Actually, only 50, since now it's registered as an income outright and thus deducted from the other 100...)
11:29:37 <warlord> Is your Loan account actually configured as an Asset? It sounds like it might be a Liability.
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11:30:12 <Freso> Oh.
11:30:14 * Freso checks
11:30:47 <warlord> That would account for the negative balance ;)
11:31:06 <Freso> :D
11:31:15 <Freso> Yes, it was indeed a misconfiguration.
11:31:25 <Freso> It's perfect now! 🙌
11:31:28 <Freso> Thanks. :)
11:31:57 * Freso tosses that receipt
11:35:06 <warlord> LOL. You're welcome :)
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12:15:07 <Mechtilde> hello
12:15:34 <Mechtilde> is it possible to get the latest translation into the nightly builds?
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12:57:17 <warlord> Mechtilde: no; translations go into maint, which is built weekly
12:57:30 <warlord> we dont put translations into master because it's changing too quickly
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13:35:30 <nIMBVS> hi all. I can see my Hidden accounts in the list of accounts when adding a transaction. is this desired behavior?
13:36:34 <jralls> Depends on what you desire. If you want them hidden, the setting is on the
13:36:41 <nIMBVS> I would expect the hidden accounts to not be visible when adding a transaction if I don't have "Show hidden accounts" active in "Filter accounts by..."
13:37:34 <Mechtilde> warlord, now I will break continuing translation
13:37:35 <jralls> Ah, sorry, misunderstood. No, hidden accounts are still available for receiving new splits. If you want to disable that, make the account a placeholder.
13:38:11 <Mechtilde> It's not so easy to ranslate the next chapter
13:38:14 <nIMBVS> I have accumulated a prety large number of hidden accounts over the years and I would rather not see them in the transaction input
13:38:58 <nIMBVS> jralls, alright, if I make an account with transactions in it a Placeholder, will the transactions be preserved?
13:39:33 <jralls> Mechtilde: You meant the docs nightly rather than the program strings, I think. warlord was talking about the program nightlies.
13:39:48 <Mechtilde> the docs yes
13:39:49 <jralls> nIMBVS: Yes.
13:40:17 <jralls> Mechtilde: I'll merge master now and your latest will be in tomorrow's nightly.
13:40:42 <Mechtilde> It's because of the German Screenshots
13:41:02 <Mechtilde> I want to give them to some friends
13:41:20 <jralls> warlord: I thought we'd decided here a few weeks ago that since all of the doc maintenance happens on maint that it should be the target of the doc nightlies rather than master. Is that something I can change?
13:42:54 <nIMBVS> jralls, alright, I made a hidden account a Placeholder also and it does work. the account doesn't show in the transaction input anymore. but this is prety unintuitive. is this how it's supposed to work?
13:45:49 <jralls> nIMBVS: Yes, it's how it's supposed to work. "Placeholder" is perhaps not a very intuitive name, but there are two reasons for using it. The one the designer intended was that you'd use it for a container account that shouldn't get transactions. The name makes sense for that. It's a bit confusing for the other use-case.
13:46:40 <warlord> jralls: no, its not something you can change. the scripts are "hard coded". But I can send them to you and you can tell me what to change :)
13:47:27 <jralls> warlord: OK. Or you can probably figure it out on your own: We just want to build git branch "maint" instead of "master".
13:49:54 <jralls> warlord: New subject: Looks like you're the only wiki bureaucrat who's active. You might consider revising the list.
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13:51:44 <warlord> isn't geert one?
13:54:26 <warlord> jralls: I presume I can just change this line: git reset --hard origin/master
13:54:29 <nIMBVS> jralls, ok. thanks for explaining. I looked through the documentation and I couldn't find this behavior described. maybe it should be brought forward and explained in the docs
13:54:39 <warlord> (to origin/maint)
13:54:41 <jralls> No. It's you, Christian Stimming, and Josh Sled.
13:55:56 <jralls> warlord: There should be a checkout line in there somewhere. If not you'll need to do that by hand in the repo it uses: `git checkout -b maint -t origin/maint'
13:57:18 <jralls> nIMBVS: Yeah, there's lots of things that could be better in the docs. Patches most welcome, though writing them is a PITA because its DocBook XML.
13:59:35 <jralls> warlord: The reset is weird. Nobody's making changes to the repo directly, it should always be just pulling.
14:00:23 <warlord> jralls: I had issues with a pull..
14:00:45 <warlord> changes can be made locally during the "make" that cause conflicts.. This was "cleaner"
14:01:20 <jralls> warlord: git clean -fdx would be cleaner still, but building in a separate directory best of all.
14:01:45 <nIMBVS> going through the hidden accounts now, I actually found some that were both Hidden and Placeholder. so it seems I DID use this behavior in the past, but I forgot about it. I wonder how I knew to make the Hidden accounts Placeholders then...
14:02:07 <warlord> I didn't want to do a git clean because I didn't want to rebuild if there were no changes.
14:02:51 <jralls> warlord: Ah, makes sense. Separate builddir then...
14:03:09 <warlord> this way was easier.
14:04:09 <warlord> So my question is: can I just change that 'git reset --hard', or must I also perform a 'git checkout' as well? (the WD is already 'checked' out, but on master)
14:05:18 <jralls> You need to do a checkout. Resetting to a different branch and then doing a pull will make a glorious mess.
14:05:39 <warlord> it's not pulling. it does 'git fetch' and then 'git reset'
14:05:52 <warlord> The code is:
14:07:47 <warlord> ( effectively )
14:07:49 <warlord> cd $srcdir
14:07:49 <warlord> git fetch
14:07:49 <warlord> git reset --hard origin/master
14:07:49 <warlord> ./autogen.sh
14:07:49 <warlord> ./configure --prefix=$prefix --with-mobi
14:07:49 <warlord> make html pdf epub mobi
14:07:51 <warlord> < copy results >
14:10:56 <jralls> OK. That *will* work if you just fetch, but you'll wind up with a branch called "master" that has "maint"'s contents. I think it better to do that checkout. It would be safest if it's included in the script, though obviously without the branch-creatin bits.
14:11:10 <jralls> s/creatin/creation/
14:12:44 <jralls> so:
14:12:51 <jralls> cd $srcdir
14:12:56 <jralls> git checkout maint
14:12:59 <jralls> git fetch
14:13:08 <jralls> git reset --hard origin/maint
14:13:16 <jralls> ./autogen
14:13:24 <jralls> cd $srcdir/build
14:13:40 <jralls> ../configure --prefis=$prefix --with-mobi
14:13:58 <jralls> make html pdf epub mobi
14:15:27 <warlord> jralls: perhaps:
14:15:31 <warlord> git checkout $branch
14:15:31 <warlord> ...
14:15:37 <warlord> git reset --hard origin/$branch
14:15:37 <warlord> ??
14:16:03 <jralls> Sure, if you want to parameterize it.
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14:17:13 <warlord> 99.99% of the time the 'git checkout' is pointless. (probably even less than that)
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14:18:27 <jralls> Roger. But that 1 time in a million will bite hard.
14:21:39 <warlord> LOL. Probably true.
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15:52:49 <warlord> jralls: script updated. tonight's gnucash-docs build should use maint.
15:53:00 <warlord> (the doxygen docs are still off master)
15:53:02 <jralls> super.
16:01:41 <jralls> For now the doxygen docs are probably better on master. I've been updating stuff as I work on C++ over there. If someone gets confused about that we can switch and I can work from a local set.
17:14:52 <warlord> jralls: or we could do both versions of the doxygen. (that might actually make sense)
17:15:32 <jralls> Sure, if you want. Certainly wouldn't do any harm.
17:16:22 <warlord> I'll go work on setting that up.
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17:39:15 <MarcGuay> Hi folks. I would like to ask GnuCash "how much money was added to Liabilities between August 1st, 2015 and December 31st, 2015?" - is this possible?
17:39:40 <MarcGuay> v2.6.1 on Ubuntu
17:39:59 <MarcGuay> A report for all of 2015 would suffice...
17:40:59 <warlord> MarcGuay: run a cash-flow report selecting the liabilities account(s) and choose the date range?
17:41:32 <warlord> that will tell you how much was added to (and removed from) your selected accounts, and where it all came from (and went to)
17:41:50 <MarcGuay> warlord: Can you walk me through it? This is the first time I'm looking at the reporting features.
17:42:09 <MarcGuay> I can't find cash flow in the Reports menu items...
17:43:08 <MarcGuay> Ah I see it
17:45:31 <MarcGuay> warlord: This is great, thank you
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19:52:05 <warlord> MarcGuay: glad you found it..
22:42:47 <fell> jralls, about Bug 760079 - Translations comments; do you prefer a TP prerelease or should I attach a new gnucash.pot to bugzilla?