2015-10-30 GnuCash IRC logs
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09:49:55 <warlord> gjanssens, jralls --- this is how I feel often about git: http://xkcd.com/1597/
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10:54:39 <gjanssens> warlord: lol
10:55:03 <gjanssens> It does have a steep learning curve
10:55:58 <gjanssens> On the other hand, I find it gives me great power and flexibility to code and manage my history in new ways
10:56:21 <gjanssens> It almost feels like I'm sculpting my code history without fear of losing it halfway
10:56:38 <gjanssens> I never got that with svn
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11:01:51 <warlord> I still prefer the SVK model over the git model..
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12:03:51 <jralls> warlord: Saw that. I guess I've been guilty of the 10-minute sermons about branching. For the opposite view, this week's The Economist has a long paean to the beauty and virtue of block chains, and that's much of how Git works.
12:08:42 <jralls> The problem with RCS-based vcses like SVN is that they insist on copying stuff all over the place. Newer designs like Git, Mercurial, and Bazaar use pointers instead. That has a bunch of benefits that I'm sure you've heard about too many times... and I bet Randall Munroe's inbasket is now overflowing with more of the same.
12:19:10 <warlord> My major beef with git is the merging of repo metadata with working copies..
12:19:51 <warlord> While you *can* use git with a separate repo/metadata storage from the wc directories, you have to jump through hoops to do that, and it doesn't do it "natively"
12:19:54 <jralls> What do you mean?
12:20:59 <jralls> I'm going down for a SW update. Back in a few.
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12:26:43 <warlord> jralls, what I mean is that let's say I want N versions of a tree: I want, say, maint, master, feature1, feature2, bugfix1, bugfix2, etc.. With git I have to "git clone".. which duplicates all the repo metadata. What I really want is a single repo metadata storage locally but still let me have multiple local (different) working directories.
12:27:24 <warlord> (i mean N versions checked out simultaneously in parallel directories)
12:30:34 <jralls> warlord: Clone a single bare repo and then clone from that for all of your local working directories. Git will automatically hardlink the metadata in the bare repo for all of the working clones.
12:31:14 <warlord> jralls: like I said, you can do it by jumping through hoops, but it's not the default mechanism, and git makes it hard to do it.
12:31:56 <jralls> How's that jumping through hoops, especially compared to using an SVN hack like SVK?
12:32:23 <warlord> SVK was, IMHO, easier to use...
12:32:48 <warlord> Yes, SVK was a hack, but it worked fairly well IMHO.
12:33:18 <warlord> It's jumping through hoops because the bare repo isn't the default..
12:33:32 <warlord> and IIRC pushing/pulling from a bare repo has ... issues..
12:34:17 <jralls> It doesn't have to be bare, it just saves a little space. No, pushing and pulling bare repos doesn't have issues. Both code and Github are bare repos.
12:34:35 <warlord> If I have, say, branch X checked out into a local WC, I want "commit" to make a local commit, and "push/pull" to push/pull that branch from the origin. But git wont do that.
12:35:17 <warlord> push/pull will go into the bare repo "parent".. and then I need yet another step to push that up to the origin.
12:35:41 <warlord> Or I need to manually reset the WC origin to upstream; but then pulls take more work..
12:36:12 <warlord> My point is that git always assumes each WC is a full clone.
12:36:41 <warlord> anyways, I need to grab lunch and then grab my kids.
12:38:41 <jralls> OK. TTYL.
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12:49:25 <lwells> How do I move the gnucash file to another system so I can get the preconfigured reports also
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12:55:23 <gjanssens> lwells the preconfigured reports are in a separate file and have to be copied as well
12:55:29 <gjanssens> What OS are you one ?
12:55:36 <gjanssens> s/one/on/
12:56:10 <lwells> I am on Ubuntu now
12:56:14 <lwells> Moving over to Arch
12:57:05 <gjanssens> Ok, in both cases your preconfigured reports are stored in /home/(username)/.gnucash/saved-reports-2.4
12:57:13 <gjanssens> (mind the dot before gnucash)
12:57:36 <lwells> Got it thanks
12:57:45 <gjanssens> You're welcome
12:58:00 <lwells> Is that the only file besides the data file that I need to have?
12:58:06 <lwells> Or move over
12:58:41 <gjanssens> Probably you will also want to copy $HOME/.gnucash/books/<yourfile>.gcm
12:59:14 <gjanssens> And if you tweaked stylesheets, $HOME/.gnucash/stylesheets-2.0
12:59:29 <gjanssens> It won't harm if you copy the whole .gnucash directory
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12:59:37 <gjanssens> With that you will have all at once
12:59:47 <lwells> What if I just copied over the whole .gnucash directory
13:00:42 <gjanssens> Like I said :)
13:00:58 <lwells> Opps did not see that , ok, thanks again
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13:59:43 <MechtiIde> hello Is there a problem updating the pdf in trunk(nightly builds) from the tutorial
14:07:13 <jralls> MechtiIde: If you're asking why your new images didn't show up it's because I didn't merge maint into master yesterday.
14:07:37 <MechtiIde> ah ok
14:07:43 <MechtiIde> then no problem
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14:08:32 <jralls> warlord: I think this is really what you're looking for: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6270193/multiple-working-directories-with-git/30185564#30185564
14:08:57 <jralls> warlord: Requires Git 2.25 or later.
14:09:19 <MechtiIde> so I missinterprete your last commit on master
14:09:59 <warlord> jralls: which doesn't help me; my system only has 1.9.3
14:10:32 <jralls> warlord: https://git-scm.com/downloads ;-)
14:14:32 <jralls> MechtiIde: OK. Yes, I did merge yesterday, but it was before merging your PRs.
14:18:17 <warlord> jralls: you know that I (almost) never update rpm-packaged software on my system
14:18:44 <jralls> warlord: Hence the ;-)
14:19:01 <warlord> :-P
14:23:43 <gour> warlord: have you tried fossil? it keeps repo in single file (sqlite3) database, but then you can open or checkout as many (different) versions as you like, each one in different directory - see http://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/concepts.wiki
14:24:17 <warlord> is it git-compatible?
14:25:10 <gour> warlord: well, it can import/export - see http://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/inout.wiki
14:25:32 * gour is using it for all his projects
14:26:03 <gour> warlord: comparison is here: http://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/fossil-v-git.wiki
14:27:03 <warlord> gour: import/export isn't what I want.
14:27:16 <warlord> I want e.g. git-svn (or fossil-git)
14:27:21 <gour> warlord: i could understand...
14:27:43 <gour> nope, different designs...there is e.g. not rebase in fossil by design etc.
14:27:59 <warlord> right; that means it wont work for me.
14:35:06 <gour> warlord: as its dev (author of sqlite as well) says, "fossil burns less brain cycles" allowing developers to use them for their projects instead of thinking about the tool itself :-)
14:35:21 <gour> i like its simplicity along with robustness
14:35:38 <warlord> Again, doesn't help me if my main issue is interfacing with an existing git upstream project.
14:36:03 * gour nods
15:02:34 <MechtiIde> so now generating pdf works for me too
15:02:47 <MechtiIde> then I can verify the pdf myself
15:04:23 <jralls> MechtiIde: Very good.
15:05:12 <MechtiIde> where should I do some changes to get Din A 4 instead of US Letter
15:05:24 <MechtiIde> for German pdf
15:12:43 <jralls> MechtiIde: I don't know of an easy way. I looked yesterday and only found ways to change xsl/1.75.2/fo.xsl, but that would change it for everything.
15:13:29 <MechtiIde> I hoped there was something only for German
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