2015-08-20 GnuCash IRC logs
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03:20:55 <jralls> sdgathman: You can't, currencies are tied to the ISO standard. You add BTC as a commodity, or rather add milli-BTC because GnuCash has at present a hard-coded limit of 10^6 as the denominator and BTC requires 10^8.
03:21:44 <jralls> sdgathman: If you're in the US, tax law requires that you handle BTC transactions as barter exchanges.
03:22:01 <jralls> warlord: No gncbot!
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06:34:04 <fuzzybunny69y> hey guys I am just trying to reconcile my accounts and in the reconciliation window it is asking me to enter a statement date. Should I enter the statement start date or the statement end date?
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07:40:26 <gjanssens> fuzzybunny69y: the statement end date
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07:55:43 <fuzzybunny69y> oh thanks gjanssens_
07:55:55 <fuzzybunny69y> if I have never reconcilled my account before and want to do it all now
07:56:03 <fuzzybunny69y> what would I put for the statement end date?
07:56:50 <fuzzybunny69y> should I set it to my most recent statements end date?
07:57:05 <obi_wan> hello guys, is there anyone able to give comercial support for gnucash? I whould like to use it but my employees need so guidance. and the only book on gnucash doesn't look too helpfull. And yes with comercial I mean for money
07:59:04 <obi_wan> it also will be much appreciated when the person speaks german, but english is also ok
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09:09:13 <frozenjim> #warlord I'd love to contribute if it would help. What I have found missing is "use cases" and I'd be willing to type these up in the wiki. I am reviewing it now and don't see a place where use cases would be appropriate and I don't seem able to edit the first page(s) to create such a link. Since the guy in charge of the wike appears to be YOU - you might be the best person to help get me started. (you are the same "warlord", are you not?)
09:10:18 <frozenjim> #warlord I'm doing the documentation for myself anyhow so retyping it into wiki would be both simple and a good exercise for me.
09:13:09 <frozenjim> #warlord for example: Use Case section "Invoicing" would have my idea, but also any other - better - ways of doing the same thing. Basic stuff, but for beginners it would be critical. Right now I'm working on Medical Claim Reimbursement. I'd love to submit it to wiki for both commentary and to help others in the same situation (which is everyone).
09:14:01 <frozenjim> #warlord, so two headings under "Use Cases": Invoicing, Insurance Claim Reimbursement. So far.
09:14:44 <frozenjim> #warlord - maybe a format of "scenario" then "solution"? Comments would be awesome as well.
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09:25:45 <warlord> frozenjim: are you looking at the wiki or the actual documentation?
09:35:58 <frozenjim> warlord, wiki.gnucash.org/wiki.
09:36:39 <frozenjim> warlord, or in full: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Using_Business_Features
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10:06:03 <warlord> frozenjim: Ah, the FAQ. Just add to the FAQ. No need to write up a new page.
10:06:08 <warlord> Just add a new question/answer. :)
10:06:52 <warlord> (gotta run -- back in an hour)
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11:27:04 <gjanssens> frozenjim: I like your idea of "Use Cases" and I think it may be useful as an independent category in the wiki
11:27:27 <gjanssens> I'm not sure how to create categories though (I never created them)
11:27:45 <gjanssens> As for the front page, only a limited set of people can do so.
11:28:14 <gjanssens> Once you have your first page ready, just ping me on here or on the mailing lists and I'll create the link
11:29:42 <gjanssens> frozenbunny69y: strictly speaking you'd reconcile statement per statement. That way you don't have to spend too much time hunting for errors (each statement only has a limited set of transactions)
11:30:08 <gjanssens> So in that context, you enter the end date for your first statement, reconcile
11:30:20 <gjanssens> and start over again with your second statement.
11:31:00 <gjanssens> Having said that, GnuCash won't prevent you from entering the date of your last statement immediatly and do one huge reconcile job.
11:31:21 <gjanssens> Gnucash only cares about the end date and the balance at that date.
11:31:41 <gjanssens> The beginning balance is calculated, you should never change it in principle.
11:31:54 <gjanssens> There you go, have to leave again...
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11:59:30 <sdgathman> So, I'm attempting to create an account for Bitcoin. jballs says it has to be a commodity. How do you add a commodity??
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12:11:12 <warlord> sdgathman: You can do it either from the New Account dialog or from the Security Editor
12:12:34 <sdgathman> I have gnucash-2.4.15
12:13:15 <sdgathman> It absolutely insists that I give the "commodity" a currency.
12:13:38 <sdgathman> Currencies include commodities like gold, silver, and platinum, but no BTC.
12:14:02 <sdgathman> I made the "currency" XXX (no currency).
12:14:13 <sdgathman> But I still can't select it when creating an account.
12:14:55 <sdgathman> The Type field is hardwired to CURRENCY.
12:15:40 <sdgathman> It cannot be changed.
12:16:10 <sdgathman> I did create a "security" for bitcoin (even though it's not), but it cannot be selected.
12:16:14 <warlord> sdgathman: You need to select an account type of Stock or Mutual
12:16:37 <warlord> And yes, according to the US Government (and many other governments) it is a commodity, not a currency.
12:17:03 <sdgathman> I understand, like gold or silver (but yet unlike).
12:17:24 <sdgathman> Gold and silver are available.
12:17:33 <warlord> Yeah, I'm not sure why
12:17:56 <warlord> Also, you need to use mBTC (1/1000 BTC), not BTC, due to decimal limitations
12:18:13 <sdgathman> I got that.
12:18:36 <sdgathman> So it lets me create a "mutual fund".
12:18:55 <sdgathman> But this is more like a debit card. I use it to pay for stuff online.
12:19:32 <sdgathman> Like VOIP bill, even Rand Paul donations.
12:20:57 <sdgathman> I guess you can write checks directly from a mutual fund, so that is pretty close.
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12:25:01 <warlord> Yes
12:25:13 <warlord> you just need to "translate" that into an ISO currency for the expense account.
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12:42:36 <sdgathman> If the currency list includes gold, it should include other user defined commodities like crypto currencies.
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13:12:21 <warlord> I would argue that "gold" is not a "user defined currency"..
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13:37:40 <frozenjim> gjanssens_, It seems like whenever i'm searching, it's for a use case. I wonder if others are doing the same thing? I've always found that use cases help guide the UX model as well so the use case category might inform development.
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15:08:26 <sdgathman> But Fiat currencies certainly are.
15:09:07 <sdgathman> Is mining income a "Distribution" or a "Dividend" or something else?
15:09:47 <sdgathman> Dividends have special tax status in US, so it shouldn't be that.
15:14:50 <sdgathman> Or Income?
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15:52:58 <sdgathman> XAU and other metallic currencies are in troy ounces.
15:55:09 <sdgathman> I wonder why oz instead of grams?
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22:50:34 <john> Hey everyone, who can help me figure out if GnuCash will work for us?
22:51:14 <john> We want to be able to pull from database entries on Firebase (cloud) and pull into Gnu
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