2015-06-28 GnuCash IRC logs
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11:10:28 <jralls> gjanssens: You have shell privs on code, right? Can you remove those posts from the logs?
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12:21:14 <candyflip> what's the deal with bitcoin?
12:21:39 <candyflip> i see that the gnucash project accepts bitcoin donations (http://www.gnucash.org/donate.phtml?lang=fr_FR)
12:22:10 <candyflip> but bitcoin is not an "ISO" currency, and I don't see it as an option when creating an account
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12:29:45 <jralls> candyflip: Sounds like you answered your own question. Bitcoin isn't an ISO currency. You have to treat it like a security.
12:29:59 <jralls> If you're in the US, the IRS requires that you do so.
12:37:31 <candyflip> jralls: a security isn't really appropriate for what it is
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12:37:50 <candyflip> bitcoin doesn't split, merge, or pay dividends
12:38:05 <candyflip> it's more like a currency than a stock
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12:39:10 <jralls> candyflip: Neither do most securities, nor any commodities. We used to call non-monetary assets commodities, which is more correct, but some users found it confusing.
12:40:39 <jralls> candyflip: Besides, common stocks are only one category of security. Bonds, options, swaps, warrants, and futures are a few others. There are many more.
12:41:41 <candyflip> jralls: i only see "stock" and "mutual fund" as choices in gnucash
12:41:59 <jralls> Regardless of which, in Gnucash "currencies" are those recognized by the ISO. All other assets are securities/commodities.
12:42:29 <jralls> No, you also see "Assets", which is more generic.
12:43:26 <candyflip> jralls: if I choose "asset", then gnucash has a mandatory field for "currency"
12:44:11 <candyflip> and there is no "new" button there to add btc
12:46:14 <candyflip> it also looks like the "smallest fraction" field for assets is limited to 1/1000000
12:46:35 <jralls> candyflip: Huh, you're right. You'll have to pretend it's a stock for now. When I get to rewriting Account in C++ I'll review the types, or at least the names presented to the user. It's hard to change anything that's written to the DB for backwards-compatibility reasons.
12:46:37 <candyflip> bitcoin needs 1/100000000
12:47:32 <candyflip> looks like the stock form allows 1/100000000
12:48:32 <candyflip> now suppose I buy something with bitcoin
12:48:45 <jralls> Yes, that's a result of the implementation of our rational numbers. It's fixed in the development branch, for the next release. In the meantime you can use either satoshis or milli-btc. The stock form only looks like it allows it, stuff breaks if you try.
12:49:01 <candyflip> will I be able to use stocks in expense transactions?
12:49:19 <jralls> Sorry, I should have said the next *major* release.
12:50:58 <jralls> No, expense and income accounts require a currency. GnuCash doesn't at present know how to handle barter.
12:57:32 <candyflip> jralls: when you say I can use satoshis, do you mean that I'll need a stock with the smallest fraction of 1?
12:59:34 <jralls> candyflip: That's what you'd do with satoshis. If you use milli-BTC then you'd have a fraction of 1/1000000. Either will work and get around the maximum denominator problem.
13:05:15 <candyflip> jralls: are you saying a fraction of 1/1,000,000 works in stocks, but not 1/100,000,000? Because what I see is that 1/100,000,000 is not available as an asset, but seems to be available as a stock
13:06:04 <candyflip> so i'm not sure why I couldn't have a btc stock with 1/100,000,000 in gc 2.6.4
13:13:01 <jralls> Yes. There are hard-coded 1/10000000 rounds buried in the code, so you'll get unwanted rounding if you try to use a smaller fraction.
13:13:36 <candyflip> ok, thanks
13:18:43 <gjanssens> jralls: I don't have shell access to code... only to www
13:18:54 <gjanssens> We'll have to wait for warlord to pop up again
13:19:07 <gjanssens> How's the release work going ?
13:19:40 <gjanssens> I noticed you pushed a lot of branches around earlier this week. Was that intentional ?
13:20:49 <jralls> The Windows VM is having trouble downloading. It works OK for a while then dies. Take a look at http://code.gnucash.org/builds/win32/build-logs/build-2.6.7-2015-06-28.log, which was my last attempt, then look at the VM.
13:23:25 <jralls> The branches thing bites me in the rear every time I try to push a new release tag. It's all leftovers from when I swept all of the old dev branches and tags into archive.
13:23:54 <jralls> Every time I think I've cleaned it up, and it invariably bites me the next time.
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14:33:21 <jralls> gjanssens: Found the problem with the VM server. It's out of disk.
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