2015-04-20 GnuCash IRC logs
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00:05:56 <newbiel> anyone?
00:06:18 <newbiel> when i type "locale" in my terminal i see that everything is set to C
00:06:27 <newbiel> and lang is not set
00:06:35 <newbiel> maybe this is the problem
00:19:31 <newbiel> nop
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00:37:08 <newbiel> anyone?
00:37:12 <newbiel> i think i found something
00:37:27 <newbiel> i went to /usr/share/locale
00:37:45 <newbiel> and there is the locale that gnu cash is using
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00:42:04 <newbiel> its kind of weird
00:42:09 <newbiel> it's a clean os install
00:42:25 <newbiel> maybe i can create my own locale?
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06:42:46 <fell> gjanssens: Thanks, I found the strings which I were seraching in import-export/aqb/dialog-ab.glade etc. But I was wondering, why there are still files with the ending .xml
06:45:01 <fell> Something else: Mark Murray reports on devel, that cmake is missing your changes on iso-currencies.
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07:01:45 <fell> gjanssens: For Theo Richel on -nl: It is better to adjust the font size in edit->stylesheet->... instead of using html tags.
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11:56:38 <gjanssens> fell: the xml files serve other purposes
11:57:03 <gjanssens> one is to organize a menu structure (links actions to menu items)
11:57:23 <gjanssens> the other is used by the code to migrate preferences from the old Gconf to the new gsettings backend
11:58:03 <gjanssens> I read Mark's message. As Derek answers only cstim was maintaining cutecash
11:59:04 <gjanssens> I may have a look just out of curiosity (I am interested in the cmake and qt stuff) but don't plan to spend too much effort on getting it fixed
11:59:18 <gjanssens> I unfortunately don't have that much spare time these days...
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12:01:17 <fell> NP :-)
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13:23:44 <neilv> is this a known bug in 2.6.4? i have a split transaction for a bank deposit (for an invoice-paying check, plus some other deposit), and when i go to assign either the split or the transaction as a whole as payment for the invoice, the transaction disappears from the bank account register
13:26:56 <warlord> is, perhaps, the invoice in a different currency?
13:31:35 <neilv> no. everything is USD
13:32:46 <warlord> hmm.. gjanssens, have you heard of this?
13:34:04 <neilv> the income account on the invoice agrees with the account on the bank deposit transaction split
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13:35:40 <gjanssens> neilv, warlord: I'm not sure the "Assign as payment" code was designed with multi-split transactions in mind.
13:35:55 <gjanssens> I'd have to look that up (cstim originally implemented this feature)
13:36:52 <neilv> thanks
13:36:55 <gjanssens> neilv, which accounts other than the bank account were involved in the split transaction ?
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13:39:10 <neilv> gjanssens: the transfer accounts for the split transaction in the bank account were an income account and a cash asset account
13:40:00 <fell> I got a PM about downloading the docs. Are they somehow bundled to the win32 and macosx packages?
13:41:19 <neilv> don't know whether this is relevant: each time i tried "add payment" (i quit gnucash and restarted with the save file each time), the dialog defaulted to showing the value from the cash asset account part of the split, not the income account part of the split. so i changed the number to the value of the income account part of the split
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13:42:43 <gnubiecash> hello everyone
13:42:55 <gnubiecash> can someone help me with a locale problem?
13:43:11 <neilv> as a workaround, i can make two transactions in the bank account, but they'll eventually not resolve with odf import, and i'll have to fudge reconciling with the next statement
13:43:31 <gjanssens> neilv: looking at your situation more closely, it seems you are trying to create a payment that the gnucash logic can't handle
13:43:42 <neilv> er, ofx import, i meant
13:44:20 <fell> gnubiecash: something not handled in http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Locale_Settings ?
13:44:26 <neilv> gjanssens: it's letting me try to do it, without error message, just corrupts my data :)
13:44:47 <gnubiecash> yes, i tried everything there :) i installed Gnucash in OS X in spanish, i notice that the currency formatting is showing a comma as decimal separator
13:44:51 <gjanssens> I haven't seen the exact transaction you start from, but it's a payment involving two asset accounts
13:45:02 <gjanssens> The business logic can't deal with this.
13:45:14 <gnubiecash> how can i make it show a "." as decimal separator
13:45:38 <gjanssens> Using the payment window directly (instead of having it pre-filled via Assign as payment) you can only select one asset account per payment
13:46:00 <gjanssens> The transaction you feed into it via "Assign as payment" has two asset account splits
13:46:33 <gjanssens> Gnucash only keeps the first one and silently removes the other ones as that's the only way it can create a valid payment.
13:46:49 <neilv> gjanssens: i will have to work around it, for my immediate practical problem. but for the future, it would be very nice if the logic could handle this (since apparently my major bank creates the situation easily)
13:47:01 <gjanssens> It could have warned the user about this, I surely agree
13:47:40 <gjanssens> The way to work around this is to correct the payment afterwards
13:48:18 <gjanssens> That is, assign the payment (for the total income amount) to either bank or cash account
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13:48:44 <gjanssens> Then edit the transaction to add a split for the other account and reduce the original split to the real amount
13:49:44 <neilv> and that workaround won't cause a consistency problem with the payments representation? (if we're running into a problem when we don't use this workaround?)
13:50:29 <fell> gnubiecash: I am not using macosx, perhaps jralls knows more details. And which is used in numerics?
13:50:36 <neilv> the reason i ask is that the silent data corruption makes me nervous. i'm just glad i noticed it
13:52:11 <gjanssens> neilv: it's probably better if you give a concrete example (with fake numbers) because I'm not sure I'm talking about the same kind of transaction as you do
13:52:35 <fell> In POSIX there are the variables LC_MONETARY and LC_NUMERIC involved.
13:52:40 <gjanssens> At this point I'm not even sure you really need a multi-split transaction in the first place
13:53:02 <neilv> gjanssens: ok, this will take a minute
13:53:37 <gjanssens> neilv: take your time
14:02:55 <neilv> gjanssens: 2 lines...
14:02:58 <neilv> | Invoice #1 (total $30.00). Invoice tems: 1. MyIncomeAccount ($10.00), 2. MyIncomeAccount ($20.00)
14:02:59 <neilv> | Split transaction for deposit in MyBankAccount (total $33.00). Transfer splits: MyIncomeAccount ($30.00 "check"), 2. cash for MyCashAccount ($3.00 "cash")
14:04:01 <gjanssens> Thanks
14:04:52 <gjanssens> So what does the $3 represent in this ? When you received the bank payment, did you automatically get $3 in your wallet ?
14:06:31 <neilv> this was a deposit to my bank account. i handed them a check plus some cash (technically, coin counter receipt, but i think that's irrelevant)
14:10:14 <neilv> for now, i'm going to make two separate transactions. but it would be nice if gnucash either let me do it with a split, or prevented me from trying to do it with a split :)
14:10:41 <gjanssens> So if I understand correctly, you received a check payment from a customer. Then you deposited that check and some cash to the bank ?
14:11:19 <neilv> gjanssens: yes
14:12:40 <gjanssens> Ok, the way I see this your bank deposit is not the payment of your invoice. That's a transfer between your cash and the bank
14:13:11 <gjanssens> (For simplicity I count checks as cash money, though you could also create a separate account for it if you like)
14:13:50 <gjanssens> Your invoice payment should then be registered against your cash (or check) account
14:14:00 <gjanssens> And the deposit is only a transfer between accounts
14:14:16 <gjanssens> Of course that's only how things get handled here in Belgium.
14:14:22 <gjanssens> In your country this may be different
14:15:22 <neilv> i have not been using the intermediate cash account you describe for invoice payments
14:16:44 <gjanssens> That's my point
14:16:47 <neilv> my invoice payments are normally very simple (i get a check, it shows up as a deposit in my bank account, i apply the bank account deposit transaction as payment to the appropriate 1-2 invoices from that customer)
14:17:18 <neilv> that has worked fine, as far as i know. i don't know whether that would work if i received partial payments, though
14:17:56 <gjanssens> It does work with partial payments as well, but not if you combine different payments from different sources in one transaction
14:17:58 <neilv> i know almost nothing about accounting, so i might be doing it wrong
14:18:40 <gjanssens> Technically the coin counter receipt also represents one or more business transactions from a different customer
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14:19:13 <neilv> for my immediate problem, i will work around it with multiple transactions (which ofx might not agree with later). i'm going to try not to add intermediate accounts, since i haven't needed them so far
14:19:29 <gjanssens> So by assiging the whole deposit to the invoice you are trying to add payments for different customers in one transaction
14:19:32 <gjanssens> That is not possible
14:20:03 <neilv> i understand why the split failed. i'm going to avoid that situation now and in the future
14:20:09 <neilv> thanks for your help
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14:20:14 <gjanssens> If you don't want intermediate accounts, you could also make a habit of separating the deposits
14:20:33 <neilv> i actually tried to separate the deposits, but the bank teller didn't understand what i said :)
14:20:39 <gjanssens> Deposit the checks independently from the cash
14:21:08 <gjanssens> That will allow you to cleanly apply your ofx import records against outstanding invoices
14:21:52 <gjanssens> Huh, baffling
14:21:56 <neilv> i said i had 2 transactions to do separately, handed them only the first item, they worked, then they asked for the second item, i gave it to them :)
14:22:18 <neilv> i should've demanded a receipt in between :)
14:22:28 <gjanssens> probably
14:22:52 <gjanssens> Anyway, for your immediate problem
14:23:28 <gjanssens> Although business wise not completely correct you can use one single transaction to record the payment
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14:24:22 <gjanssens> Much like you wanted. The only caveat is you have to split the transaction *after* you ran assign as payment, not before
14:25:06 <gjanssens> All of gnucash will handle this situation just fine. Except the payment window (in case you have to manipulate the payment again for some reason)
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14:26:39 <neilv> thank you. i have to go for now (will be back sometime to talk about some new reports i've made)
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15:01:26 <gnubie> hello :)
15:01:31 <gnubie> sorry for my persistance
15:01:54 <gnubie> anyone knows how can i tell gnu cash what locale to use?
15:01:56 <gnubie> in os x
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15:11:01 <warlord> gnubie: hopefully jralls can answer.. he's the Mac guru.
15:11:21 <warlord> But I recommend you stop changing your nick, and just hang around for an answer ;)
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15:16:54 <gnubie> ok :)
15:17:10 <gnubie> yes i think he was the one that helped me to fix it like a year ago
15:17:20 <gnubie> but i lost my irc history
15:17:32 <gnubie> maybe someone has a history of a year ago? xD
15:17:43 <gnubie> the answer is there :)
15:28:01 <warlord> gnubie: http://code.gnucash.org/logs/
15:29:06 <kimmo2> I wish there was a mode where both "," and "." in new input were treated as decimal separators
15:29:47 <fell> gnubie: And this time add it to the wiki page to find it easier. ;-)
15:30:07 <kimmo2> hrm, I should've thought this 2*32" through
15:30:24 <fell> Kimmo2: and which will you use as csv separator?
15:30:50 <kimmo2> I didn't quite realize that there would be a .6" black line right in the middle
15:31:24 <kimmo2> fell, I'm not really entering csv interactively
15:31:56 <kimmo2> just that my KB layout has a comma on the numpad
15:32:31 <fell> my too, as it is the german decimal sign.
15:32:43 <warlord> kimmo2: the QIF importer is the only place that will do that
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15:34:37 <gnubie> wow thanks so much!!
15:34:45 <gnubie> i'll search the answer :)
15:37:32 <warlord> gnubie: you can use google to search, too.
15:41:51 <kimmo2> warlord, it would just be nice, to treat whichever [.,] was last in the split amount input as the decimal separator and ignore the rest
15:43:37 <gnubie> can i use google to search that history?
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15:58:01 <fell> Warlord: Question from gnucash-de: do csv import and business feature cooperate? The user wishs to track payments of 400 conference members.
16:00:43 <warlord> gnubie: yes. use 'site:...'
16:01:31 <warlord> kimmo2: patches always welcome ;) But seriously, if you see 123,456 -- what is it?
16:02:48 <warlord> fell: not directly.
16:04:56 <gnubie> thanks!!!
16:05:36 <warlord> there are two options. 1) they can import invoices/bills using the invoice/bill importer (I think it exists), or 2) they can import a payment transaction via the csv importer and then use the Process Payment to attach it to an invoice.
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16:08:16 <fell> 1 exists, but I don't know the expected format.
16:14:12 <kimmo2> warlord, I would force that to be 123,45 and fractions. Just for the sake of simplicity, and noone really inputs figures with commas
16:14:15 <warlord> fell: alas, neither do i
16:14:32 <warlord> kimmo2: a cut-and-paste would..
16:14:50 <warlord> (that COULD have meant 123 thousand 4 hundred 56
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16:27:44 <gnubie> found it!! jralls was the one who helped me :)
16:32:03 <gnubie> it was 2014-10-23 xD
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16:38:33 <warlord> gnubie: so 6 months ago.
16:38:38 <warlord> glad you found it!
16:41:25 <gnubie> yes thank you so much
16:56:44 <gnubie> it's already on the wiki btw xD
17:07:00 <warlord> gnubie: great!
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