2015-04-07 GnuCash IRC logs
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10:12:07 <Cees> I have a question on how to get rid of differences in Taxes. We got an invoice including a certain amount of taxes (NL: BTW). When we add the multiple components to GnuCash however, the BTW is a little bit higher (rounding errors). So, now the amount we actually paid is lower than the amount the bill needs to be "fully paid". How to tackle this?
10:14:49 <warlord> Cees: add an extra line-item to correct the amount?
10:15:13 <Cees> Thanks for the quick reply. How to add a "tax only" line item?
10:16:58 <warlord> specify the tax account.
10:21:18 <Cees> I do not fully get it. So: add a line, on the invoice, where the Expense Account is the "tax to be payed?", with the couple of cents as quantity, and Tax Included?
10:25:26 <Cees> Correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't that also change the invoice's subtotal, not really reflecting what's going on?
10:28:32 <warlord> No, you add a new line, description is "tax rounding correction", amount is the correction, account is the tax account. no need to mark it "taxable"
10:33:42 <Cees> That changes the "subtotal" with the amount given, but I would like that one to match the original invoice
10:34:27 <warlord> yeah, no way to do that
10:34:41 <Cees> I added two lines now, that does the trick. They negate each other, and just one of the two is taxable, effectively only changing the Taxes for the invoice :)
10:34:44 <warlord> You can make it so the posted transaction is correct.
10:35:54 <Cees> Thanks for the help though, warlord. You steered me in that direction. ;)
10:38:56 <warlord> happy to help!
10:38:59 <warlord> Glad you got something working
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12:05:36 <MechtiIde> fell_, Danke für Deine Ergänzungen
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12:06:29 <MechtiIde> thanks for the additions at wiki.gnucash.org
12:07:39 <fell> Mechtilde: Kein Problem! Du brauchst übrigens nicht so vorsichtig zu sein mit Diskussionsseite und so.
12:08:39 <MechtiIde> ich weiß doch nicht, wie das so bei Euch funktioniert
12:09:55 <fell> Die Hauptseiten .../Gnucash sind wegen Spam geschützt, da geht's nur über die Diskussionsseite.
12:10:37 <fell> Ansonsten wäre das eher was für kontroverse Diskussionen.
12:11:03 <MechtiIde> Ich bin mir noch nicht im Klaren, wie ds funktionieren soll
12:11:25 <MechtiIde> es tut eben nicht, wie ich es erwarte
12:11:34 <fell> Fehlende Infos gleich in die richtigen Seiten einbauen.
12:11:54 <fell> Was tut es nicht so, ...?
12:12:18 <MechtiIde> z.B die Verwaltung der Geschäftspartner
12:12:36 <MechtiIde> direkt aufgeteilt in Kunden und Lieferanten und eben ohne Bankverbindung
12:12:53 <MechtiIde> die kann doch direkt für die Online Zahlung genutzt werden
12:13:50 <MechtiIde> aber für jeden Lieferanten ein eigenes Passiva Konto anlegen ...
12:14:00 <MechtiIde> ist IMO gewöhnungsbedürftig
12:14:21 <fell> Wenns jemand programmiert... -Onlinebanking überlasse ich lieber den "Profis" Christian und Martin.
12:15:20 <fell> Nein, Wenn Du das Geschäftsmodul verwendest, reicht ein Konto pro Währung.
12:15:41 <MechtiIde> Geschäftsmodul, d.h.??
12:16:12 <fell> Menüpunkt Geschäft
12:16:14 <MechtiIde> also mit Lieferanten und Kunden und dort REchnungen und Aufträge einstelle?
12:16:23 <fell> genau
12:16:42 <MechtiIde> von dort kann ich fällige Rechnungen auch zur Zahlung anweisen?
12:17:16 <fell> Gute Frage!
12:17:36 <MechtiIde> da bin ich stecken geblieben
12:21:25 <fell> Nach kurzem Überlegen: Bank-Aktion ausführen und anschließend als Zahlung einer Rechnung zuweisen sollte klappen.
12:22:21 <MechtiIde> also mit "Aktionen -> Terminierte Buchungen"??
12:24:02 <MechtiIde> und erst wieder NACH dem Abruf der Kontoumsätze in "Geschäft - Lieferant - Zahlung verarbeiten..."
12:24:21 <fell> Nein, ich meinte beispielsweise per Onlinebanking Umsätze abrufen und anschließend als Zahlung zuweisen.
12:25:20 <MechtiIde> "per Onlinebanking Umsätze abrufen" = "Aktionen - Online Aktionen - Kontoumsätze abrufen"?
12:25:32 <fell> Ja
12:27:56 <MechtiIde> und wo mache ich die Zahlungen?
12:28:08 <MechtiIde> Zahlungsanweisungen?
12:29:41 <fell> Terminierte Buchungen kombiniert mit Online-Banking habe ich nie ausprobiert. Ich erstelle dann lieber bankseitig eine Ãœberweisung auf Termin.
12:30:03 <MechtiIde> Vielleicht so:
12:30:49 <MechtiIde> Konto auswählen: "Aktionen - Online Aktionen - Einzelüberweisung..."
12:31:06 <fell> [SEPA]...
12:31:46 <fell> die Klassische klappt glaube ich in der EU nicht mehr.
12:31:57 <MechtiIde> ja klar
12:32:15 <MechtiIde> aber da muss ich dann die Bankverbindung einzeln von Hand eingeben
12:32:30 <MechtiIde> Schreibfehler sind da nicht auszuschließen
12:33:27 <MechtiIde> aber jetzt habe ich die Informationen, die noch zu Bug #742086 gehören
12:33:51 <fell> Tja, wir sollten noch zwei Enhancement requests erstellen, die abhängig sind von https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742086 Bug 742086 - Additional customer information like VAT number
12:34:14 <MechtiIde> denn dahin müssen IMO die Daten aus den Lieferantendaten übernommen werden
12:34:34 <fell> Einmal gegen Aqbanking, die hinterlegten Infos bereitzustellen.
12:35:06 <fell> 2. Gegen Bayes, die hinterlegten Informationen zu nutzen.
12:35:34 <MechtiIde> bzw beim Lieferanten die Kontodaten hinterlegen zu können
12:36:01 <MechtiIde> das geht ja bisher nur im Bemerkungsfeld
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12:36:17 <MechtiIde> da komme ich an dieser STelle aber nicht mehr dran
12:40:05 <fell_> Geschäft->Liefernatenübersicht; Spalte Bemerkungen aktivieren. Ggf. den Bericht in ein eigenes Fenster Verselbständigen.
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12:41:59 <MechtiIde> ja das geht
12:42:33 <MechtiIde> werde das gleich mal ins Wiki schreiben und einen Hinweis auf die Lsite
12:44:26 <fell_> Sehr schön!
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12:46:53 <MechtiIde> ist ein Würgeraund
12:47:35 <MechtiIde> man muss es erst markieren und dann das Fenster "Einzelüberweisung" öffnen
12:48:26 <MechtiIde> also muss man beide Informationen zunächst im Zwischenspeicher haben, IBAN und BIC
12:48:51 <fell> Den Ausdruck kannte ich noch nicht. (Würgeraund (new german) for workaround)
12:50:37 <MechtiIde> Du kopierst dann beides erstmal in das Feld IBAN, schneidest dann die BIC wieder aus und fügst sie in das BIC Feld ein
12:52:22 <fell> Oder nimmst einen Zwischenspeichermanager, bei dem du auf mehr als den letzten Ausschnitt zugreifen kannst.
12:52:56 <MechtiIde> hast Du ein Beispiel dafür?
12:54:03 <fell> Klipper (KDE) hab ich, Gnome und ein paar andere können das glaube ich auch.
12:54:27 <MechtiIde> ich hab XFCE muss dann mal schauen
12:54:51 <fell> Irgendein clipboard icon im systray?
12:55:46 <MechtiIde> ja gibt es
12:56:04 <MechtiIde> Clipman
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13:01:33 <fell> Rechter oder linker Mausklick sollte dann eine Liste zum Vorschein bringen.
13:02:45 <fell> warlord: http://lists.gnucash.org/logs has the wrong encoding of Umlauts.
13:04:04 <MechtiIde> nobody should write here in German
13:04:12 <MechtiIde> :-)
13:05:58 <fell> Abstract: Discussion of combination of online banking and business module.
13:06:57 <fell> Use information from business modules for online banking and vice versa.
13:07:22 <warlord> fell: for what year(s)?
13:07:36 <MechtiIde> warlord, for today
13:07:40 <fell> warlor: today#
13:07:43 <warlord> Huh..
13:09:12 <warlord> Okay, the issue is between IRC, Supybot, and the Supybot logger. The actual written logfile itself is broken.
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13:09:18 <warlord> (i.e., non-UTF8)
13:10:19 <fell> �s are displayed instead of äöü
13:11:05 <fell> page info clayms UTF-8
13:12:28 <fell> The chars are not HTMLized.
13:12:50 <fell> ä -> ä
13:13:12 <warlord> The issue appears to be supybot storing the data in ISO and not UTF8
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13:19:07 <fell> Warlord: It is only Mechtildes writing, my is displayed correct.
13:20:18 <fell> Mechtilde, guck doch mal, welchen Zeichensatz dein IRC-Client verwendet.
13:20:33 <MechtiIde> Latin/Hybrid
13:20:42 <warlord> Well, that could explain it..
13:21:05 <MechtiIde> Latin/Unicode Hybrid
13:21:24 <fell> Probier mal nur UTF
13:21:45 <MechtiIde> for gnucash I can use UTF-8 if this is bettr for all
13:21:49 <MechtiIde> better
13:22:09 <fell> And now rwite a few umlauts.
13:22:23 <MechtiIde> öäüßÖÄÜ
13:23:03 <MechtiIde> may be I have to restart xchat
13:23:28 <fell> It didn't change
13:23:31 <MechtiIde> or only this chat server
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13:24:57 <MechtiIde> öäüßÖÄÜ
13:25:12 <MechtiIde> now its ok?
13:25:18 <fell> Nice: http://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2015/04/2015-04-07.html#T13:24:57
13:26:31 <MechtiIde> I wrote some information into the wiki
13:26:54 <warlord> Huh. Weird.
13:41:03 <fell> warlord: as a quickfix http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/IRC#Non_ASCII_characters
13:42:09 <fell> The strange thing is, the hybrid chars are displayed correctly in the clients, but not in the logs.
13:50:34 <fell> Mechtilde: the wiki update looks fine!
13:50:46 <MechtiIde> thanks
13:51:40 <MechtiIde> The next days I will prepare the online transactions
13:55:04 <fell> OK
14:00:49 <warlord> fell: yeah, my client displays them correctly, too.
14:00:54 <warlord> Dont know why supybot doesn't.
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17:01:53 <fell> warlord, jralls_: Can you check, why http://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.6/ is still Last modified on 16-Dec-2014?
17:04:42 <warlord> fell: probably because that's when it was last generated and committed to the git repo?
17:05:20 <fell> last commit in github was 2015-02-11
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17:06:07 <fell> on gnucash-docs ....
17:06:18 <jralls_> fell: Good catch. Looks like either I failed to push the updated docs or the push itself failed. I'm trying again now.
17:06:39 <warlord> fell: which repo are you looking at?
17:06:50 <warlord> that URL is not the "nightly build" of gnucash-docs
17:06:54 <warlord> It's manually pushed
17:07:27 <warlord> (I dont think the htdocs-built-docs repo gets pushed to github... but maybe I'm wrong)
17:08:18 <jralls_> I'm pretty sure it doesn't. It's all binaries.
17:08:52 <fell> together with the release the 2.6 gnucash-docs should have been pushed to (I don't know)
17:10:05 <jralls_> fell: The docs release itself is pushed to gnucash-docs and the built documents -- html, pdf, and various ebook formats -- is pushed to gnucash-html-docs.
17:11:14 <fell> right, jralls.
17:12:32 <warlord> gotta run for a bit.
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17:26:31 <fell> jralls_: Can you update the URLs in http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Documentation_Release_Process too?
17:27:32 <jralls_> fell: Which ones?
17:28:19 <fell> The split between ht-docs and html-docs seems to be missing.
17:29:43 <jralls_> html-docs?
17:30:07 <fell> is pushed to gnucash-html-docs.
17:30:52 <jralls_> No, I misspelled it. It's gnucash-htdocs-docs.
17:31:09 <jralls_> The wiki page is correct.
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17:32:08 <jralls> It's right now sitting on transferring the docs to the website.
17:35:28 <fell> OK, now I believe to understand it.
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17:57:51 * fell added http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Documentation_Release_Process#URLs
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18:27:41 <jralls> hmm. An hour later and it's still sitting on "update website docs".
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20:13:22 <warlord> jralls_afk: there is no 'git' process running, so either it finally finished or something timed out
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23:48:33 <Navi> Hello, I'm just trying to work out if something is a bug or not, just thought I'd run it by the room first. In 'Advanced Portfolio', the brokerage fees are (according to the ML) considered to be transfers out to an Expense account rather than an Asset/Liability. However, it seems this only applies if at least one Asset/Liability account is within the split.
23:48:49 <Navi> Transferring money directly from the share to the Expense account is considered 'Money Out'.
23:49:06 <Navi> I have to add a blank line with my debit account in it for the money to actually show up in the brokerage fee column.