2015-04-04 GnuCash IRC logs
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10:12:48 <dkcarlson> Hi I can try the account sort test on a plain vanilla file that does not have the tab stuff in the .gcm file
10:13:40 <dkcarlson> would that be ok, or should I try to sanitize the first .gcm file?
10:16:55 <dkcarlson> I am also running 2.6.6 on my laptop. My tower which is scrambled now is still on 2.6.5. Maybe I should stay on the tower to minimize differences.
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11:02:49 <fsmunoz> greetings!
11:04:49 <fsmunoz> Small accounting doubt: I have a company car which has a certain amount per year of gas allowance... I was thinking on putting this as "Gas" in Assets, does this sound right? I admit having some difficulties concerning assets and incomes in some cases...
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15:49:46 <jralls-afk> fsmunoz: I
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15:51:44 <jralls> fsmunoz: I'm not an accountant and there may be tax law differences, but ordinarily, yes, when you pay for a reimbursable the transfer is to an asset account and when you're reimbursed you transfer it back to your bank account.
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16:47:52 <fsmunoz> jralls: thank you, appreciated!
17:07:09 <jralls> fsmunoz: You're welcome.
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18:46:56 <micah> hey all, i'm trying to figure out how to do GST and found the FAQ covers this in http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Tax_Handling:_Goods_and_Service_Tax_.28GST.29_or_Value_Added_Tax_.28VAT.29
18:47:34 <micah> however, I dont understand a few things. First of all, what is the 3-account naming scheme and 4-account naming scheme? How do I pick one of those?
18:48:51 <micah> secondly, i'm trying to create the tax table entry as indicated, but I dont have a Liabilities:GST - just have Liabilities:Accounts Payable and Liabilities:Credit Card - should I just create a Liabilities:GST?
18:50:44 <micah> but if I try to add a new account for GST, the tax related box is greyed out
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19:09:01 <micah> i guess I just chose one of 3 or 4 and I add the accounts, edit the Tax Report options to set that as taxable and then create the tax table
19:10:30 <jralls> micah: I don't think there are any GST payers here, unless one is lurking. warlord and I are in the US where sales tax is treated differently. I think you should ask on gnucash-user.
19:11:53 <micah> jralls: yeah, it seems like australians have a similar setup
19:12:09 <micah> i think i more or less figured it out, it seems right - but I'm a little unsure if I did it right :)
19:13:35 <micah> the only thing I'm trying to figure out now is how do I mark certain purchases as tax deductable
19:13:46 <jralls> micah: I think everyone but the US does the value-added thing, they just call it by different names. Of course everywhere does the details differently, so you're best off getting advice from someone in the same country.
19:13:59 <micah> for example, if I purchase a computer, it is a business expense and I can deduct that on my taxes, but if I purchase a bigwheel it is not
19:21:51 <jralls> micah: I don't think that's what Liabilities:GST is about. Usually that sort of account is for when you're selling stuff and collecting tax on it; the tax isn't your money, so it credits a Liability account which you debit when you send in the collected tax to the government.
19:23:10 <micah> jralls: yes, I agree. I was actually trying to talk about a separate subject than the GST liability issue
19:23:41 <micah> jralls: unrelated to GST, I was trying to determine how I can mark certain expenses as business-related deductable expenses
19:24:49 <jralls> Put them in different accounts. As a general rule you should have a separate books for each business and one for your personal accounts.
19:26:15 <micah> jralls: you mean a completely separate gnucash file?
19:26:21 <jralls> OTOH if you're not running a business yourself but your employer requires that you provide certain things, then create a separate Expenses:Business account and put what you pay into those places.
19:26:27 <jralls> Yes, each file is one book.
19:27:31 <jralls> Depending on what you're doing and how much money is involved commingling personal and business books can get you put in jail.
19:27:59 <micah> its a pretty small amount of money and I'm just self-employed
19:28:08 <micah> jail is not my personal goal here :)
19:28:44 <jralls> It's funnier if you use the ancient spelling: Gaol isn't my goal! ;-)
19:30:37 <micah> maybe if I was a Gaul, I would be galled if gaol was my goal
19:31:04 <jralls> Anyway, if you're the only one involved then you're not likely to get prosecuted. Committed, maybe... The thing is that you want the business book to tell you how well you're doing. If it's mixed up with your personal book then that's a lot harder. Depending on the situation, tax reporting might be easier too.
19:31:23 <jralls> In that case I'd think you'd need a *!
19:31:39 <micah> a *! ?
19:31:59 <jralls> An Asterix! ;-)
19:32:03 <micah> ahaha
19:32:25 <micah> asterix and obelisk: * & |
19:32:35 <kimmo2> heh
19:32:59 <micah> I'm not really interested in seeing how "my business is doing" because I'm more or less an independent consultant
19:33:36 <kimmo2> as an independent consultant, I'm most interested in seeing how my business is doing
19:34:02 <micah> there is no difference to me between how my business is doing and my personal finances
19:34:20 <kimmo2> where are you based?
19:34:26 <micah> Canada
19:34:35 <micah> I know in the US you might care if you are an S-Corp
19:34:43 <micah> and you are paying yourself dividends or something
19:34:44 <kimmo2> hrm, not familiar at all with their tax code
19:35:14 <kimmo2> I'm assuming since you don't care, you and your business are considered a single taxable entity?
19:35:21 <micah> its not too different from the US, except this part is a bit simplier I think
19:35:29 <micah> yes, they are a single entity
19:35:32 <micah> taxable, that is
19:35:57 <kimmo2> ok so basically just your very basic doing business as
19:36:23 <micah> yes. when I file taxes, I only do it as myself, but I can take deductions for my business related expenses
19:36:38 <jralls> micah: In the US you'd file your business income and deductions on a Schedule C. I imagine you have something similar in Canada, so just create accounts that reflect the things you have to fill in on the form.
19:37:10 <micah> so when it comes tax time, I need to individually total up all those business related expenses that are allowed, so I'd like to track those as I go along
19:37:27 <kimmo2> I'd imagine the tax reporting in canada would also separate business income from salaries so you could keep books separate
19:37:58 <kimmo2> just combine when you file
19:38:21 <kimmo2> so, anyone got any experience with Belkin displayport kvm's ?
19:38:51 <micah> i guess I can do that, it just would be a lot easier if I could have one file where some items are flagged as deductable business expenses
19:40:12 <jralls> micah: You can. In GnuCash you do that by having a separate expense account for them. Or accounts, if you need to split it up.
19:41:14 <micah> jralls: like make an Expenses:Business:Computer vs. an Expenses:Personal:Computer ?
19:41:36 <jralls> micah: Right.
19:43:52 <micah> i see, thanks
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