2015-03-12 GnuCash IRC logs
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02:49:15 <fell> Hm, after pushing I saw the bug entry had the wrong language in the title.
02:50:07 <fell> While I can localy reword the commit, a push is rejected.
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03:02:18 <fell> I hope it was OK to force push.
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08:56:12 <warlord> fell: generally, no, it's not, because idon't think that code will force-push to github...
08:56:17 <warlord> Check if your change made it over?
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09:56:49 <warlord> GRRR.... cartsoftware please turn off Thunderbird IRC!
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12:36:22 <cartsoftware> warlord: Ok why this problem should involve you?
12:37:04 <warlord> cartsoftware: because Thunderbird spams the channel with quit/join messages every 10 minutes.
12:37:46 <warlord> Please use any other IRC client.
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12:40:00 <josePHPagoda> warlord: is mine spamming?
12:40:24 <warlord> josePHPagoda: appears not. surprisingly.
12:40:32 <josePHPagoda> hmm
12:40:41 <josePHPagoda> i wonder what the diff between mine and cartsoftware's is
12:40:42 <josePHPagoda> :-/
12:40:46 <warlord> Dunno.
12:41:08 <warlord> But it does happen frequently, and it's pretty much only TB that does it.
12:41:13 <warlord> It might be a version thing
12:41:20 <josePHPagoda> I suspect it's a machine sleeping or somesuch
12:41:28 <josePHPagoda> the messages are probably legitimate
12:41:29 <warlord> (Maybe they fixed it, and you're running a fixed version?)
12:41:36 <josePHPagoda> i'm on ubuntu 14.04
12:41:40 <josePHPagoda> whatever comes w/ it :-/
12:41:43 <warlord> It's a 10-minute ping timeout.
12:43:09 <warlord> It could be TB, it could be the OS. I'm not sure.
12:43:49 <warlord> I still feel that it's something TB-IRC makes worse; when I see a string of timeout/joins every 10 minutes it's invariably a TB client. I've never seen any other IRC client do it.
12:46:40 <josePHPagoda> I don't know the ins and outs of IRC, but I wonder if it's a poor net connection
12:46:52 <josePHPagoda> and it just takes that long for Thunderbird to realize it's disconnected and reconnect
12:47:05 <warlord> I dont think so.. I think it's a bug in TB
12:47:07 <josePHPagoda> while other clients may be more agressive
12:47:23 <warlord> No, the issue is that TB actually times out the connection.
12:47:30 <warlord> Then once it times out it reconnects.
12:47:39 <warlord> Other clients don't seem to timeout as often.
12:47:56 <warlord> So the real question is why TB is timing out the connection? I don't have an answer for that.
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15:06:46 <fell> josePHPagoda, warlord: AFAIK there was one version of thunderbird with a choice of default settings. Convenient for the user but very annoying for the channels.
15:07:10 <fell> ... bad choice ...
15:07:17 <josePHPagoda> fell: i wasn't aware
15:07:23 <josePHPagoda> well, if my IRC is noisy, please tell me
15:07:23 <josePHPagoda> :)
15:07:34 <josePHPagoda> and I'll switch to another client
15:08:43 <fell> No, it seems you customized your settings or got a friendlier version.
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15:22:24 <josePHPagoda> just the defaults for ubuntu
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17:12:08 <fell> I just watched, http://translationproject.org/domain/gnucash.html got finally updated to 2.5.5 [after a quarter year ;-)]
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17:16:44 <warlord> fell: 2.5.5? Not 2.6.5?
17:16:48 <warlord> (what took them so long?)
17:17:04 <fell> oops 2.6.5
17:17:58 <fell> I don't know.
17:19:25 <fell> But finally I can now research a few issues, we have in our translation build process.
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18:22:44 <buildcomplete> soo, I am following the online tutorial, but I have some problem getting the transaction report to work, it complains: 'This report requires accounts to be selected.'
18:23:06 <buildcomplete> I have tried opening an acount by double clicking it... no difference
18:23:35 <buildcomplete> I have also tried marked account in the account overview tab
18:23:53 <kimmo2> select "report options"
18:24:36 <kimmo2> that would be the second icon from the right, next to the printer icon
18:25:07 <kimmo2> and on that popup, select account(s) on the top list (the lower list is just filters)
18:25:11 <buildcomplete> well, I have looked in there, and tried hiliting all the account.
18:26:12 <kimmo2> you should be getting a different error then (Something about no data in the range)
18:26:34 <buildcomplete> ok, the message changes... exactly
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18:28:26 <buildcomplete> but for some reason it doesn't help entering the dates that should cover the transaction.
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18:29:34 <kimmo2> did you try selecting all accounts?
18:30:20 <buildcomplete> ahh, I had selected all account while they where folded....
18:30:54 <buildcomplete> unfolding and selecting the child account work.
18:31:11 <kimmo2> :)
18:31:16 <kimmo2> now you know :)
18:31:39 <buildcomplete> check
18:31:56 <buildcomplete> thanks
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18:36:16 <kimmo2> you're welcome
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18:43:05 <fell> buildcomplete: which report were you using?
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19:01:19 <buildcomplete> reports -> transactions
19:03:14 <buildcomplete> but, entering the dates and selecting the child accounts did the trick
19:03:30 <fell> Thanks, will try to make the string more precise.
19:05:03 <buildcomplete> I think the problem is more the tutorial, It doesn't mention that these data needs to be entered.
19:05:46 <fell> can you file a bug report against the documentation?
19:07:42 <buildcomplete> sure, but where do I do that?
19:08:20 <fell> see wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Bugzilla
19:20:01 <buildcomplete> I have to create some new email first then, my received spam is currently increasing again...
19:20:53 <buildcomplete> Note to self: it's this page that isn't really clear, http://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.6/C/gnucash-guide/cbook-together1.html#cbook-puttoget-reports
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19:39:55 <CompNsci> Hoping I might be able to get some help with using Trading Accounts and splits involving them.
19:40:57 <fell> Don't hope, just ask!
19:41:38 <CompNsci> OK, I am entering a bunch of trades that involve bitcoin for cash, so this involves 4 splits
19:41:46 <CompNsci> 1. USD asset
19:41:56 <CompNsci> 2. Trading bitcoin account
19:42:01 <CompNsci> Trading USD account
19:42:10 <CompNsci> 4. BTC asset account
19:42:46 <CompNsci> What happens is that when I create a new transaction with the same name, like 'Sell', it autocreates the 4 splits for the transaction with the amounts of the last one
19:42:57 <CompNsci> I go in and change the amounts.
19:43:37 <CompNsci> Occasionally when I do this it then insists on adding a bitcoin imbalance split and adjusting the amount of Trading bitcoin account split
19:43:57 <CompNsci> That is when I try to Enter the transaction
19:44:03 <CompNsci> I have no idea why it is doing this
19:44:03 <fell> Just edit the assets account and delete the trading split. As you finish, they get recalculated.
19:44:25 <CompNsci> Right, but the trouble is, they get recalculated incorrectly sometimes
19:45:32 <CompNsci> It appears that if it pops up the trade dialog, with the question about the rate, that it doesn't do this
19:45:46 <CompNsci> But if that dialog doesn't pop up, then it is creating this imbalance entry
19:46:12 <CompNsci> and no amount of deleting that imbalance entry makes it go away, it always gets put back when I Enter the transaction
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19:47:35 <CompNsci> It's like there is a state regarding the trade ratio that isn't being reset and then it is trying to enforce an incorrect ratio when I enter
19:48:07 <fell> Yeah, I watched a problem with the FX dialog. too: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727423 or related.
19:48:50 <fell> But usually you can force that dialog e.g. from the context menu.
19:49:12 <CompNsci> That bug does look similar
19:51:22 <CompNsci> Two other weird things about it. If you get the dialog and enter it, it doesn't change the amount in the BTC trading account to the amount one enters in the dialog.
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19:52:10 <CompNsci> If you try and fix this by changing the Imbalance split to also use the Trading BTC account, then enter is ok, but as soon as one tries to move to another transaction, it hangs in a loop complaining the transaction is unbalanced.
19:52:24 <CompNsci> The only way to get out is to quit GnuCash.
19:52:47 <CompNsci> Sounds like a known bug then, and forcing the exchange dialog may be the solution?
19:55:54 <fell> Sometimes a dialg waiting for input may be hidden behind another expecting the result of the former. Can you verify that it is not the case by moving open dialogs on the screen?
19:56:35 <CompNsci> ok, I'll try and force that shortly
20:01:19 <CompNsci> Of course, now it isn't doing tha.
20:01:23 <CompNsci> Grr
20:02:26 <CompNsci> A related question. In theory, are there two sets of exchange rate in such a transaction?
20:04:48 <fell> Yes buy and sell rate usually differ, eg. buying for $100 and dirct selling again will e.g. result in $99
20:05:09 <CompNsci> But in the transaction above with the 4 splits.
20:05:28 <fell> but in one txt, there is only one rate.
20:05:34 <fell> txn
20:12:52 <fell> CompNsci: What did you different in your second approach? Might it be something like reported in https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744858#c4 ?
20:19:18 <CompNsci> I think the issue has to do with there being different exchange rates amongst the two exchange rate entries for the 4 split transaction.
20:19:40 <CompNsci> But for those 4 splits I don't see why the two exchange rates are being created. Maybe that is the issue.
20:21:22 <fell> IIRC if there is a rate in the right direction on the same date, it might be silently taken.
20:21:41 <CompNsci> That is the default, that's true.
20:22:13 <CompNsci> But why are there two exchange rates? I believe the 4 splits are needed for a sell BTC, receive USD trade.
20:25:44 <CompNsci> I am now in the middle of one that is very messed up, a buy BT
20:25:57 <CompNsci> a buy BTC. So I have 4 splits in this order
20:26:20 <CompNsci> 1. USD Asset, spend $13,382.61
20:26:40 <CompNsci> 2. Trading BTC, 20 BTC on the right
20:26:49 <CompNsci> 3. Assets BTC, 20 BTC on the left
20:27:18 <CompNsci> 4. Trading USD, $13,382.61 on the left (receive)
20:28:28 <CompNsci> When I enter, it changes the order of the splits. Now Assets BTC, Trading USD, Assets USD, Trading BTC
20:29:04 <CompNsci> And it decreases the Trading BTC to 11.14 BTC (from 20) and add a split for Imbalance BTC, 8.86
20:30:07 <fell> And your price db shows for BTC (USD) and USD (BT)?
20:30:38 <CompNsci> If I select the first split, Assets BTC, and choose Edit Exchange Rate, it brings up a dialog that the two currencies are equal to each other
20:31:29 <CompNsci> If I select split 2 and edit exchange rate, it brings up the Transfer Funds dialog, with -13382.61 USD paired with -11.14 BTC
20:31:38 <fell> No, use tools->price editor o.s.
20:32:38 <CompNsci> Brings up Price Editor dialog with both USD and BTC, each containing a long list of exchange rates
20:33:17 <fell> search that with the same date as th txn.
20:34:40 <CompNsci> Two show up on that date for the BTC, none for USD
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20:36:25 <CompNsci> the first is for a fraction, 1 + 347/1114 the other is for 669.13
20:37:32 <CompNsci> The 669.13 appears to be the desired rate
20:38:39 <fell> 1+ ... =~1.3 which is really different from 670
20:39:26 <fell> What happens if you remove the 1+.. entry
20:40:07 <CompNsci> ok, I'll try, just a sec
20:41:15 <CompNsci> Removed that entry in the price editor and closed the dialog. Removed the imbalance split and corrected 11.14 to 20 in the split for Trading BTC
20:41:32 <CompNsci> Enter re-creates the Imbalance entry with 11.14 in it.
20:42:20 <CompNsci> No additional entries created in the Price Editor.
20:42:51 <CompNsci> Only one for that date is the BTC entry for 669.13
20:44:11 <CompNsci> Transfer funds on the 2nd split, TRading USD, shows -13,382.61 for Amount -11.14 BTC
20:44:32 <fell> Hm, I have no idea, what is happening there.
20:44:44 <CompNsci> all right
20:44:52 <CompNsci> thanks for your help on this
20:45:17 <CompNsci> I guess I should try and create a very simple new set of accounts that demonstrates this and file a bug report?
20:45:43 <fell> Can you create a small sample file and attach it together with your trace file to an bugzilla entry?
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20:46:07 <CompNsci> I'll try and do that in tomorrow
20:46:13 <CompNsci> where do I find the trace file?
20:46:45 <fell> wiki.gnucash.wiki/Tracefile ?
20:47:15 <fell> OS dependend
20:47:47 <CompNsci> OK, thanks again. I am at least now a bit more convinced of my sanity ;-)
20:48:01 <CompNsci> And thanks for all the work bringing Gnucash out and having trading accounts.
20:49:51 <fell> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile
20:50:55 <CompNsci> would you suggest running off the command line with any extra debugging when generating the trace?
20:52:00 <fell> before you have to run it twice...
20:53:47 <fell> and cc: mta@mich.edu - the creator of trading accounts - to the bug report.
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