2015-03-06 GnuCash IRC logs
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06:24:01 <Hinnerk> hi
06:24:10 <Hinnerk> question about prices of securities in reports:
06:24:23 <Hinnerk> When I select "Average" - what is the average taken over?
06:24:31 <Hinnerk> all prices in the db?
06:24:46 <Hinnerk> a certain timeframe (e.g. same as buisness period)?
06:24:52 <Hinnerk> all entry prices?
06:25:13 <Hinnerk> same question concerning weighted average...
06:25:54 <Hinnerk> oh: and still my question from yesterday: I added a report to .gnucash - but it doesn't appear anywhere.
06:26:08 <Hinnerk> guid I set to something unique
06:26:14 <Hinnerk> trace file is empty.
06:33:48 <Hinnerk> other question: When I have accounts payable (in german: "Offene Verbindlichkeiten") , they allow, aside from the booking date also an entry when the amount is due and also some "Action" to be entered.
06:33:50 <Hinnerk> now:
06:34:09 <Hinnerk> 1. can I also fill these fields through a scheduled trx? If so, how?
06:34:25 <Hinnerk> 2. What are the consequences of using the action field?
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08:48:13 <Hinnerk> one more question:
08:48:25 <Hinnerk> I want to pass my gnucash file to a friend as an example.
08:48:51 <Hinnerk> since I don't want him to know everything about my financials, I want to get rid of all bookings of the last 2 years.
08:49:01 <Hinnerk> is there a fast way of doing this?
08:49:23 <Hinnerk> Note that we are taking about hundreds, possibly thousands of trx in various accounts.
08:51:51 <Hinnerk> ok, so you keep thinking about my questions, I'll be back later :)
08:52:38 <Hinnerk> going to install ubuntu as 2nd os, so I can do some real work on gnucash (hopefully. someday. if i'm lucky. probably not.)
08:52:52 <Hinnerk> cu later
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10:20:00 <hinnerk> hi
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10:20:22 <hinnerk> so, installed ubuntu. now i want to get gnucash source.
10:20:31 <hinnerk> could someone allow me commit access?
10:21:26 <warlord> hinnerk: sorry, commit access is... limited. You can pull the sources from github. If you want to commit you could fork it and then submit pull requests.
10:21:44 <hinnerk> ah.
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10:29:06 <hinnerk> what packages do I need to install, to compile gnucash?
10:29:19 <hinnerk> ./autogen.sh brought a bunch of error messages.
10:31:53 <hinnerk> e.g. sudo apt-get install glib2
10:32:06 <hinnerk> brings back an error this package is not known...
10:34:38 <warlord> hinnerk: run: apt-get build-dep gnucash
10:34:47 <warlord> (er, sudo apt-get ....)
10:34:59 <hinnerk> ok, thk!
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10:48:17 <hinnerk> well.
10:48:37 <hinnerk> this shows errors during the following items:
10:48:55 <hinnerk> fp-compiler-2.6.4
10:49:01 <hinnerk> fp-ide-2.6.4
10:49:07 <hinnerk> fpc-2.6.4
10:49:09 <hinnerk> fpc
10:49:17 <hinnerk> lcl-utils-1.2.4
10:49:26 <hinnerk> lazarus-ide-1.2.4
10:49:28 <warlord> fpc? no clue what that is
10:49:38 <hinnerk> and many more
10:49:50 <hinnerk> including many which are called r-cran-...
10:51:23 <warlord> again, no clue what that is.
10:51:41 <hinnerk> let me restart the system, something is cupposedly locked.
10:51:47 <warlord> ok..
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10:57:11 <hinnerk> hi
10:57:32 <hinnerk> warlord, can I paste you what I got upon trying again after restart?
10:57:46 <warlord> f its long use pastebin
10:58:54 <hinnerk> aehm - how do you copy and paste in linux?
10:59:52 <warlord> depends on the GUI
11:00:02 <hinnerk> ubuntu, whatever the default is.
11:00:14 <warlord> right-click should work
11:00:30 <warlord> e.g.: right-click -> copy
11:00:31 <hinnerk> I have a Xterm shell.
11:00:40 <hinnerk> there is no right-click context menu.
11:01:04 <warlord> oh, xterm.... umm... been a while since i used an actual xterm
11:01:13 <hinnerk> what should I use?
11:01:38 <warlord> I use "terminal" (I use XFCE)
11:01:46 <warlord> There is also gnome-terminal
11:01:51 <warlord> and probably KTerm
11:01:54 <warlord> (for KDE)
11:03:49 <hinnerk> it says debhelper is only "half-installed"
11:03:56 <hinnerk> is there a way to fix this?
11:05:57 <hinnerk> it also keeps saysing, "debhelper" is not ready to be configured.
11:07:18 <hinnerk> am not on "terminal"
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11:08:14 <josePHPagoda> Hello everyone!
11:08:27 <josePHPagoda> I've got an account, and in that account I'm tracking a lot of expenses.
11:09:02 <josePHPagoda> I'm wanting to get a breakdown of the expenses
11:09:20 <josePHPagoda> is there a report that will aggregate an account based on the description of each transaction?
11:10:29 <hinnerk> why not simply create subaccounts?
11:11:06 <josePHPagoda> because this has information from the past 3 years in it
11:11:08 <josePHPagoda> :)
11:11:09 <josePHPagoda> else I would
11:11:16 <josePHPagoda> and I've made some for the future
11:11:24 <josePHPagoda> but the historical info is what I'm needing now
11:11:25 <warlord> hinnerk: sorry, no clue. i dont use ubuntu
11:11:47 <hinnerk> may still be the easiest solution. sort them by desription and copy paste the new account
11:11:52 <warlord> josePHPagoda: what are you using for the transfer account for each of those transactions?
11:12:05 <warlord> There are plenty of reports that will give you that data.
11:12:16 <josePHPagoda> They are coming from my checking account asset
11:12:28 <josePHPagoda> but the thing is, I'm needing to break this down for itemized tax reasons
11:12:33 <warlord> Not many will give you summaries based SOLELY on the description (although the transaction report might be useful)
11:12:40 <josePHPagoda> hmm
11:12:42 <josePHPagoda> let me try that
11:12:47 <warlord> josePHPagoda: checking account asset into what expense account(s)?
11:12:55 <josePHPagoda> just a single expense account
11:12:58 <josePHPagoda> when it should have been many
11:13:04 <josePHPagoda> that's where the issue is
11:13:21 <josePHPagoda> so I've run the transaction report, and then dumped it into libreoffice calc
11:13:30 <josePHPagoda> so I can trim it down that way to get my categories that I need
11:13:41 <josePHPagoda> but still not the most pleasant way of doing it
11:13:57 <warlord> Nope, your mistake was not correctly categorizing your expenses.
11:14:04 <josePHPagoda> yup
11:14:14 <josePHPagoda> when I started using this, I didn't know anything about accounting
11:14:18 <josePHPagoda> I've learned much since then :)
11:15:21 <warlord> :)
11:15:39 <josePHPagoda> in fact, I even gave a presentation on how to use gnucash at the openwest conference a few years back :)
11:15:53 <josePHPagoda> but that was before I had a business I was tracking things in
11:16:47 <warlord> heh
11:16:55 <warlord> didnt take your own advice? ;)
11:17:32 <josePHPagoda> well, personal finance was the only concern at the time
11:18:15 <warlord> categorizing expenses doesnt change between oersonal and biz.
11:18:42 <josePHPagoda> yes, but the granularity does
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11:19:00 <josePHPagoda> The issue here isn't that I didn't categorize them, it's that I didn't do it with enough granularity
11:19:23 <warlord> Ah
11:21:43 <josePHPagoda> it'd be cool to see a feature that could move bulk transactions into a new account/subaccount
11:22:16 <warlord> It works to join accounts. just not split accounts
11:27:29 <josePHPagoda> I'd be willing to sponsor the feature and throw a few dollars at it
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11:27:34 <josePHPagoda> probably couldn't fund it all
11:27:48 <josePHPagoda> but something that lets you say "Find and move to subaccount" would be groovy
11:27:54 <warlord> You're welcome to attempt that; IMHO that approach has not really worked all that well.
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11:30:47 <josePHPagoda> which approach?
11:31:02 <warlord> the bounty approach
11:34:53 <hinnerk> man, this package issue is really annoying.
11:35:02 <hinnerk> Currently asking in the ubuntu channel.
11:35:10 <hinnerk> however, noone even reacted.
11:35:11 <josePHPagoda> it's not neccesarily the approach I would like to use, but my point is, I'd rather give funds to furthur development of gnucash, rather than give funds to some company for them to market a proprietary solution
11:35:19 <josePHPagoda> hinnerk: what package issue?
11:35:25 <hinnerk> debhelper
11:35:32 <hinnerk> I'm trying to build gnucash in ubunutu.
11:35:33 <josePHPagoda> hinnerk: what are you trying to do?
11:35:40 <josePHPagoda> any particular reason?
11:35:40 <hinnerk> just installed ubunutu out of the box.
11:35:44 <hinnerk> and entered:
11:35:50 <josePHPagoda> there is a nice repo that keeps up to date on gnucash packages
11:35:55 <hinnerk> sudo apt-get build-dep gnucash
11:36:04 <hinnerk> which stops with an error.
11:36:08 <hinnerk> about deb-helper
11:36:33 <hinnerk> why? because i want to help improve gnucash.
11:36:42 <josePHPagoda> ah, so you are doing dev on gnucash
11:36:45 <josePHPagoda> I see :-)
11:36:51 <hinnerk> well. not yet.
11:36:53 <josePHPagoda> i thought maybe you were just wanting to grab the latest version
11:37:08 <hinnerk> oh, i downloaded that alright.
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16:51:08 <Abhish> How can I reset GNUcash? I think I botche something and I don't see the 'totorial' option in any menu now.
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17:14:40 <fell> Abhish: The tutorial is under Help->Tutorial and conceps guide (ctrl-H)
17:15:15 <Abhish> fell: that just takes me to the manual.
17:17:18 <fell> Hm, that should be Help->Content (F1)
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17:19:22 <hinnerk> hi
17:19:32 <fell> Abhish: Which OS/Distro are you using?
17:19:39 <hinnerk> someone helped me fix my initial ubuntu problems :)
17:19:46 <Abhish> openSUSE
17:19:47 <hinnerk> now, on to building gnucash.
17:20:04 <hinnerk> and while i'm at it: aqbanking should be included.
17:20:10 <hinnerk> and I wonder:
17:20:17 <hinnerk> Which packages do I exactly need?
17:20:29 <hinnerk> I already did "sudo apt-get build-dep gnucash"
17:20:38 <hinnerk> and i checked out the master repository.
17:20:42 <Abhish> I don't see any entry under that help that says tutorial except the title fell.
17:20:53 <hinnerk> but I stilll need something for aqbanking, right?
17:21:22 <hinnerk> when I search for packages which contain "aqbanking" I find a list of about 10.
17:21:27 <hinnerk> do i need them all?
17:21:34 <hinnerk> or do they even cause conflicts?
17:22:02 <fell> Hinnerk: If it not in ubuntu there might be a ppa containing a recent version
17:22:31 <hinnerk> wait. I didn't say that...
17:22:43 <hinnerk> I said there are several packages that sound similar.
17:22:49 <hinnerk> e.g.:
17:22:54 <hinnerk> libaqbanking34
17:23:03 <hinnerk> libaqbanking34-plugins
17:23:11 <hinnerk> libaqhbci22
17:23:19 <fell> I assume 34 is version 3.4
17:23:20 <hinnerk> and a few more.
17:23:27 <hinnerk> I would guess so too.
17:23:34 <hinnerk> is the hbci lib also needed?
17:23:38 <hinnerk> I do use hbci.
17:24:13 <fell> hinnerk for german banks: yes.
17:24:28 <hinnerk> so i should get at least those two packages, right?
17:24:31 <hinnerk> anything else?
17:24:56 <fell> You might have a look at www.aqbanking.de for recent state.
17:25:58 <fell> Abhish: what is your language and region?
17:32:08 <hinnerk> another build question:
17:32:17 <hinnerk> what options would i use for .configure?
17:32:25 <hinnerk> the help is not very helpfull.
17:32:33 <hinnerk> e.g. what does the trefix setting do?
17:32:46 <hinnerk> it is in alli wiki examples, but not explained by --help
17:35:10 <fell> By default it would be installed to /usr/locale ("make install" requires sudo). If you set prefix=/home/hinnerk/test or similar, no sudo is needed.
17:40:49 <hinnerk> ok.
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17:40:56 <hinnerk> so configure ends with an error:
17:41:24 <hinnerk> "configure: error: Boost 1.48.0 or later was not found and is required to build GnuCash
17:42:08 <hinnerk> should that have been installed by "sudo apt-get build-dep gnucash"?
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17:47:34 <hinnerk> and again, there is a huge list of libboost* packages.
17:47:38 <hinnerk> which ones do i need?
17:48:21 <kimmo2> some libboost-dev
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17:48:25 <kimmo2> or -devel
17:49:22 <hinnerk> -dev exists. took that.
17:49:44 <hinnerk> it also suggested additional packages. should i get those as well?
17:49:53 <kimmo2> sure
17:50:19 <hinnerk> like libboost-doc, libboost-atomic1.55-dev ...
17:50:23 <hinnerk> long list of packages.
17:50:30 <hinnerk> all of them?
17:51:00 <kimmo2> I probably would get all of them
17:54:06 <fell> Hinnerk: You know http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building, Dependencies and Ubuntu?
17:54:26 <hinnerk> yes, but it doesn't give precise package names.
18:05:38 <hinnerk> configure claims swig was not found. but I just installed swig3.0
18:06:14 <kimmo2> how about swig-dev ?
18:07:15 <hinnerk> I don't see a swig.*-dev
18:07:33 <hinnerk> but i noticed that the configure script apparently checks for swig or swig2.0
18:07:37 <hinnerk> but i installed 3.0
18:07:44 <hinnerk> is that possibly the problem?
18:08:49 <hinnerk> yes, that was it.
18:09:08 <jralls> hinnerk: Look for "#include <boost/.*> in the sources. So far we're using uuid and variant, both of which are header-only. I'm working on date_time, which can be header only if the distro packager does it right, but on Debian required linking the shared lib. That's still in a feature branch, though, it won't affect building master.
18:10:23 <jralls> hinnerk: In general we can't give exact package names except for the distros we use, which are Debian and Fedora.
18:10:51 <hinnerk> makes you miss windows, hm? :)
18:11:39 <fell> Windows is no OS! It is amarketing mystery. ;-)
18:12:23 <jralls> hinnerk: For windows we use MinGW and a set of build scripts in gnucash-on-osx; You need only run those scripts, no need to deal with MinGW's package manager directly.
18:12:37 <kimmo2> windows is an unconfigurable window manager for a poor replica of an X server, on top of a sucky kernel
18:14:07 <jralls> On OSX we build everything from source using jhbuild. The process is a bit more complicated, see http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/MacOSX/Quartz
18:15:16 <kimmo2> I should really really hit the sack
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18:19:36 <hinnerk> hm.
18:19:48 <hinnerk> ok, so executed:
18:19:51 <hinnerk> configure
18:19:52 <hinnerk> make
18:19:54 <hinnerk> make install
18:20:04 <hinnerk> but
18:20:13 <hinnerk> how do i run this now?
18:20:44 <hinnerk> when i went into the folder and entered gnucash, 2.6.3 was run
18:20:55 <hinnerk> which is installed by ubuntu itself, not freshly built.
18:21:02 <hinnerk> do i have to remove that version?
18:23:18 <jralls> hinnerk: Issuing "gnucash" by itself will run the first instance of an executable file named gnucash found in a search of the directories in the $PATH environment variable. To execute a particular gnucash give its whole path name: /path/to/gnucash. To run something in the current directory, use ./gnucash
18:24:24 <jralls> hinnerk: This is basic Unix knowledge, so I guess that you're new to Unix. Reading a basic text or tutorial website would be time well spent.
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18:26:07 <hinnerk> well, i executed it from the directory the newly build gnucash sits in
18:26:22 <hinnerk> I have used linux before, but it is a few years ago.
18:27:06 <hinnerk> ok, got it to run now.
18:27:50 <hinnerk> only, it doesn't even offer me a menu? only "save" and "close"?
18:28:33 <hinnerk> actually, the same happens when i run the official 2.6.3
18:34:14 <jralls> hinnerk: No, it gives you only save and close on the toolbar. The menubar should have the full complement of entries, beginning with File.
18:34:56 <jralls> hinnerk: Are you using Ubuntu or an Ubuntu-derived Linux with Unity?
18:35:04 <hinnerk> ok. so where is the menubar hiding in ubuntu?
18:35:40 <hinnerk> argh!
18:35:43 <hinnerk> ok, found it
18:35:59 <hinnerk> it is hiding in the top of the screen - detached from the windowd....
18:38:37 <jralls> Yeah, that's Unity. They're trying to copy MacOSX.
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18:48:41 <hinnerk> that really doesn't make sense with gnucash...
19:01:24 <jralls> Breakfast time. BIAB.
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