2015-01-29 GnuCash IRC logs
00:16:02 <bozonius> so is there NO way to delete an invoice, job, customer if I created it by accident?
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08:51:48 <warlord> bozonius: nope, but you can reuse it.
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12:37:28 <mikemorr> Hi all. I'm importing transactions from a CSV file. Is there an easy way to put all these (yellow) transactions into the same account as the first (green) one? Or do I have to do them one by one? http://i.imgur.com/6BDeNzY.png
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12:53:39 <warlord> mikemorr: alas, one by one. You could split your CSV and load it in multiple stages which should help train the importer.
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12:58:41 <mikemorr> warlord: Thanks. I notice the importer gets trained even if I cancel the import, which may help.
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13:06:30 <warlord> Hmm.. technically it shouldn't do that..
13:07:21 <mikemorr> I might be wrong.
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13:09:06 <kimmo2_> For sale: Long term assignment explaining how basic internet technology and natural laws effect policymakers' wishes for IT systems. Wanted: motivation
13:09:06 <warlord> I could be, too. wouldn't be the first time ;)
13:09:21 <warlord> kimmo2_: LOL
13:09:55 <desperateFish> hi everybody, I'm glad to have finally found the help source.
13:10:20 <kimmo2_> I spent 6 hours (As the Infra provider's Architect) explaining to customer's project manager why we simply cannot complete our load balancer and firewall configuration without detailed information from their software provider
13:10:54 <desperateFish> Is there a more accessible forum somewhere else, with archived content would also help to avoid repeat questions
13:10:56 <desperateFish> ?
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13:12:33 <kimmo2_> the guy hung up on me after he asked me "It sounds like this is is the first time you guys are doing this", to which I replied "Yes, this is the first time we're setting up Customized implementation of Application X developed by Provider A for government agency S. We simply cannot guess what kind of redirection, port translation, and ssl hostnames they want, and how they have designed the app management interface to be configured"
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13:13:08 <jralls> desperateFish: We use the mailing list `gnucash-users@lists.gnucash.org` for most support needs.
13:13:39 <desperateFish> thank you jralls
13:15:41 <desperateFish> could you even tell me what's wrong with the find-option (control +f) ? When I'm trying to find a payment, it always returns an empty list, even when I'm looking for content that I know is there.
13:16:33 <jralls> Nothing is wrong with it. It works perfectly. ;-) What exactly are you searching for, and from what tab?
13:17:47 <desperateFish> I'm searching for an amount, but apparently I'm using it wrongly.
13:18:04 <mikemorr> desperateFish: Sometimes that happens to me if "Type of search" is on "Refine current search" instead of "New search".
13:18:36 <mikemorr> (which is automatic when searching from a register tab instead of the Accounts tab, I believe)
13:19:01 <warlord> desperateFish: most likely you're asking it to search for opposite split data.
13:20:53 <desperateFish> Just now it worked, then I tried it a second time and it didn't work any more. I did try "New search" though
13:21:13 <desperateFish> So what I do is this:
13:21:43 <desperateFish> I open the search function, select "New Search"
13:22:04 <desperateFish> then I'm looking for a specific amount, for example 1000
13:22:44 <warlord> desperateFish: from which tab do you start the search?
13:22:51 <desperateFish> I therefore select value is equal to and enter the amount (which I know is there)
13:23:20 <desperateFish> The result is an empty search result list
13:23:35 <jralls> desperateFish: Do you understand the difference in
13:23:47 <desperateFish> from which tab? any tab
13:23:53 <jralls> GnuCash between "amount" and "value"?
13:24:26 <desperateFish> sorry I'm trying to translate the names from the German version
13:24:59 <jralls> Also, if you want to search all accounts you must call the "find" utility from the Accounts window; otherwise you search only the account whose tab has focus.
13:25:03 <desperateFish> do I have to choose a specific tab, warlord?
13:26:09 <desperateFish> ah ok, thank you
13:26:18 <desperateFish> but somehow it still doesnt work
13:27:44 <jralls> desperateFish: OK, do you understand the difference in GnuCash between "Betrag" and "Wert"?
13:28:35 <desperateFish> @jralls: so when I'm trying to find a specific amount, which command do I choose? I have only "Wert" (value) and can't see any command with "Betrag" (amount)?
13:28:35 <gncbot> desperateFish: Error: "jralls:" is not a valid command.
13:29:06 <desperateFish> so when I'm trying to find a specific amount, which command do I choose? I have only "Wert" (value) and can't see any command with "Betrag" (amount)?
13:30:23 <warlord> desperateFish: what kind of transaction are you trying to find? (in many cases amount == value)
13:30:45 <warlord> is this an investment transaction? a multi-currency transaction? or just a pure EUR transaction?
13:30:46 <bozonius> warlord, are there existing requests to add this functionality? Ability to add/edit/delete customers, invoices, jobs -- some of this is already working, but not all of it.
13:31:09 <jralls> In the find in picklist, Betrag is "Anteile", which is confusing, but it identifies the possible problem: "Amount" (Betrag/Anteile) is the quantity in the account's commodity/currency while Value (Weil) is the quantity in the transaction currency.
13:31:17 <bozonius> warlord, I agree that users SHOULD use the UI for all this, but there SHOULD also be a way to change these if a mistake is made
13:31:43 <warlord> bozonius: requests: every once in a while. But it aint going to happen anytime soon. There are just too many ways that deleting it can cause the system to crash due to dangling object references.
13:32:25 <bozonius> Well, of course... They would have to be backed out one by one, in the reverse order the objects were created. That goes without saying, I agree.
13:32:37 <bozonius> Don't want dangling and/or broken references
13:32:54 <bozonius> that is disaster, especially with finance!
13:32:57 <bozonius> I agree
13:33:19 <desperateFish> warlord: I'm trying to find a transaction I have entered or should have, if this person had made the payment. It is just a very simple payment, nothing to do with multi-currency or investment.
13:33:48 <warlord> bozonius: you can always re-use the objects.
13:34:00 <bozonius> I tried some of the newer versions, but I had trouble compiling or running them (2.4.15)
13:34:15 <warlord> 2.6.5 is current
13:34:21 <bozonius> Oh, for sure. Yes. Just that until I do, they are sitting there for weeks, and I have to remember to USE them
13:34:23 <warlord> 2.4.15 is the last of the 2.4 releases, but still pretty old
13:34:42 <bozonius> I'm using 2.4 now. It's the version that comes with my distro.
13:34:46 <bozonius> (mageia)
13:34:47 <jralls> desperateFish: OK, then amount and value should be the same.
13:34:49 <warlord> bozonius: that sounds like a PEBCAK problem, not a technical one ;)
13:35:18 <warlord> desperateFish: then if the amount isn't showing up then the transaction probably isn't there.
13:35:36 <jralls> desperateFish: So make sure that you're starting from the right account or from the Accounts tab.
13:35:46 <desperateFish> this is going fast...it doesnt work with "Anteile" unfortunately
13:36:09 <bozonius> PEBCAK? Are you inferring that I am not perfect at making accounting entries? LOL.
13:36:27 <bozonius> Keep in mind, I am just starting to use the customer/invoice/job features
13:36:43 <bozonius> I did not know these problems existed, so...please forgive
13:38:03 <warlord> Sorry, it was meant as a joke. You could just leave the "to be used again" invoice tab(s) open.
13:38:13 <desperateFish> warlord: that's the annoying thing: I know the transaction to be there.
13:38:14 <bozonius> Yes, I got you. No worries.
13:38:28 <bozonius> I appreciate your help.
13:38:52 <warlord> desperateFish: maybe try searching on other things? Maybe a date range?
13:38:58 <warlord> Or searching by text?
13:39:03 <desperateFish> jralls: I checked it, I am starting from the account tree, so all the transactions should be searched, right?
13:39:45 <jralls> desperateFish: Yes, all accounts should be searched.
13:40:21 <desperateFish> warlord: that's what I tried to do also, It always returns an empty list
13:41:43 <warlord> desperateFish: and you hit Ctrl-F from the Accounts Tab?
13:41:48 <desperateFish> could this be just in the German version?
13:41:52 <warlord> No
13:41:57 <desperateFish> warlord: yes exactly
13:42:03 <warlord> then the transaction doesn't exist.
13:42:08 <desperateFish> control + F
13:42:20 <warlord> If you like you're welcome to send me or jralls the file to look ourselves.
13:43:04 <desperateFish> yes please, but how do I do this?
13:43:40 <desperateFish> I mean sending it to you?
13:43:41 <jralls> desperateFish: My email is jralls@ceridwen.us.
13:43:54 <desperateFish> thanks
13:44:34 <desperateFish> so i go under save as and chose xml-Format, right?
13:44:57 <desperateFish> I just want to make sure you get the right data format
13:44:59 <warlord> Are you not using XML?
13:45:28 <jralls> desperateFish: Yes, XML will be fine.
13:45:37 <warlord> Note that if you do File -> Save As, then you should immediately File -> Open the original database.
13:46:37 <bozonius> I have slib on my machine, but 2.4.15 still won't compile. Can't find it or something.
13:47:06 <desperateFish> ok I just saved it
13:47:49 <desperateFish> ...and I got two separate files, correct?
13:47:56 <desperateFish> so I send both to you
13:47:59 <desperateFish> ?
13:48:38 <desperateFish> warlord: yes, I'm using XML
13:49:50 <warlord> If you're already using XML then there's no need to Save As again. You could just send your file.
13:49:54 <bozonius> warlord: 2.6.5 crashes at startup, due to an error not being cleared in glib
13:50:15 <jralls> deseperateFish: You need send only the one called 'filename.gnucash'.
13:50:26 <desperateFish> ok thanks
13:50:34 <warlord> bozonius: "not being cleared in glib"?
13:52:38 <desperateFish> thanks for your help
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13:52:52 <desperateFish> I'll get back to you jralls later on
13:53:10 <desperateFish> thanks also to you warlord
13:53:18 <desperateFish> have a good day, goodbye
13:53:24 <warlord> good luck
13:53:29 <desperateFish> thank you
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14:05:21 <bozonius> warlord: http://pastebin.com/EuPMqWRs
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14:07:52 <warlord> bozonius: try running with --nofile
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14:29:22 <bozonius> warlord: same bug
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14:37:22 <jralls> bozonius: Is this your own build or from your distro?
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16:06:57 <desperateFish> Hi again everybody
16:07:18 <desperateFish> I'm back with a bag of fresh questions
16:08:48 <desperateFish> I'd like to use my own template when I begin my accounting in the new year. I already googled this and at least some coding seems to be necessary. Is it really so complicated or is there a simpler way?
16:10:11 <desperateFish> oh I'm the only one in here...
16:10:53 <desperateFish> no I'm not
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16:19:11 <jralls> desperateFish: What do you mean by "your own template"?
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16:22:53 <desperateFish> I mean when in the beginning there is the wizard and there one can choose a certain type of chart of accounts. There I would like to have my own chart of accounts or in other words my own account hierarchy
16:23:16 <desperateFish> I hope I'm explaining this clearly enough
16:24:34 <desperateFish> Or is it easier to somehow import my accounting hierarchy?
16:25:16 <jralls> That's just a convenience thing for setting up a new book. Do you already have a book set up the way you like it?
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16:26:38 <desperateFish> yes I do, I made the whole accounting of last year and would like to reuse this accounting tree – with a few tweaks – for the next year
16:27:35 <jralls> OK, just go to File>Export>Export Accounts. That will create an empty Gnucash file with the same CoA as your old file.
16:28:01 <jralls> However, why do you want to start a new file? It's much easier to just keep one rolling year after year.
16:29:42 <desperateFish> ah I thought so, I have difficulty in closing the books, even though that would only mean adding the profits to my equity, but that seems to be a major undertaking as well
16:30:50 <jralls> Nope, Tools>Close Books does it for you automatically. Best to do it on a day when you have no other transactions (1 January is popular); that makes it easier on the reports.
16:31:23 <jralls> Lots of folks don't even do that, though. They just run reports for whatever period is of interest.
16:32:04 <desperateFish> So they just continue their accounting over years?
16:32:30 <jralls> Yup.
16:33:44 <desperateFish> I see. Anyway I'll look into that closing books procedure again. The result should be that the profit is added to the equity, right?
16:36:40 <jralls> desperateFish: Sort of. It creates a closing transaction in each income and expense account that zeros the balance. The counter-account is in Equity, and the net effect is that the year's profit or loss becomes part of the Equity balance.
16:37:39 <jralls> But there's no transaction called "profit/loss" created.
16:38:12 <desperateFish> So what I have to enter in the income and expense windows are the respective amounts or what?
16:38:44 <desperateFish> or the place where the income/expenses can be found?
16:38:53 <desperateFish> sorry I'm quite new to this
16:40:07 <jralls> No, the account name(s) where you want the splits to go. I use Equity:Retained Earnings, which is the customary name in the US.
16:41:05 <jralls> And the
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16:42:03 <jralls> Sigh. And the Description field is for the transaction, so I guess I lied: You can name it "Profit/loss" if you want. I call mine "Close Book XXXX", where XXXX is the year.
16:42:44 <desperateFish> Ok, I'll try it and very probably come here for advice. Thanks a ton and have a good evening.
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16:46:48 <jralls> desperateFish: Better you should join the mailing list. You can use Nabble if you prefer a web interface. There are a bunch of experienced users there. There's also a German mailing list.http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists
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16:50:40 <jralls> lmat: Are you still working on qofsession?
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19:46:20 <lmat_> jralls: I haven't looked at it in a few weeks, but I have looked at it since we last talked.
19:47:15 <lmat_> jralls: I recently took on teaching highschool chemistry and a GNU/Linux consulting job (just one-off contracting thing).
19:48:06 <lmat_> jralls: What are you current thoughts on the build system? I think I remember you expressing excitement about one in particular, but I don't remember which.
19:48:27 <lmat_> jralls: I'm using non-recursive automake in my projects, and I like it.
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21:58:26 <bozonius> jralls: Sorry for the long delay in responding; I appreciate your help.
21:58:38 <bozonius> The 2.4.15 build is my own, here on Mageia 4.
21:58:52 <bozonius> The 2.5 build is also my own.
21:59:06 <bozonius> Mageia is currently support 2.4(.0?)
21:59:17 <bozonius> s/support/supporting/
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