2015-01-24 GnuCash IRC logs

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04:14:17 <gjanssens> Build system question: are there ways to check for the presence of a given *.m4 file during autogen.sh ?
04:14:27 <gjanssens> Is one of the autotools we use capable of this ?
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08:58:33 <warlord> gjanssens: I dont think so, short of checking the output to make sure particular macros were expanded.
09:04:54 <gjanssens> warlord: ok thanks.
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09:05:34 <gjanssens> I'm looking at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=731889
09:06:07 <gjanssens> Where the user gets weird errors when they forget to rerun autogen.sh after installing guile-devel packages
09:06:40 <gjanssens> But perhaps it's sufficient in this case if I rewrite the warning message shown to the user
09:07:13 <gjanssens> Tell them they should rerun autogen first
09:07:44 <gjanssens> I think the message we give now may be obsolete anyway.
09:09:30 <gjanssens> 2.6.x has more than a year old now. If other distros use yet other names for compat macros we would have known by now
09:09:52 <gjanssens> I think sabayon had this issue, which fell_ fixed a while ago
09:11:06 <warlord> gjanssens: updating error messages is always the easier way :)
09:12:29 <gjanssens> :)
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09:18:38 <gjanssens> warlord: suppose the user needs to regenerated configure but has started from the tarball
09:18:51 <gjanssens> How is this done usually ? autoreconf ?
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09:32:20 <warlord> That should never happen.
09:32:45 <warlord> But they can still run autogen
09:33:16 <gjanssens> Is it distributed as well ?
09:34:59 <gjanssens> And we do run autoreconf in our Windows build scripts for some packages
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09:37:18 <gjanssens> autogen.sh is not part of the distribution tarball, so a user won't be able to run it :(
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09:39:48 <gjanssens> Thinking it through it should indeed never happen in the case of gnucash, so I'll just mention autogen.sh in the modified message
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13:27:49 <jralls_> @tell gjanssens Yes, autoreconf is the usual tool for regenerating configure and Makefile.in. It's needed only if the builder has found a need to patch one of them, and that should indeed be rare.
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14:02:22 <jralls_> @tell gjanssens As for detecting a particular macro if you just want to make sure that all macros get defined you can add "-W unsupported -W error" to the aclocal invocation. If you want to look for a particular macro you must recurse ver the contents of $ACLOCAL_PATH if it's defined and the return value of `aclocal --print-ac-dir if it's not. Note that in the first case your wrapping of the GUILE macros in m4_ifdef proba
14:02:22 <jralls_> by defeats the check since you're saying that you want to defer the check to configure.
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14:03:17 <jralls_> @tell gjanssens oops. ...probably defeats the check since you're saying that you want to defer the check to configure.
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15:52:49 <Ahmuck> a payee column is needed
15:54:07 <Ahmuck> in addition to line # column
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16:48:59 <kimmo2_> a payee column where
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17:17:07 <Ahmuck> prior to the description column
17:24:14 <kimmo2_> what for
17:41:42 <Ahmuck> because payee is not the same a description. description clarifies what it was for. this helps determine tax designation
17:42:13 <kimmo2_> how about just use different accounts for specific payees?
17:43:18 <Ahmuck> so, for example, farming. I can buy feed, bolts, spray, and water tanks from the same hardware store. however some items are tax deductible others are not.
17:43:59 <kimmo2_> I would definitely create separate accounts for expenses in the same class with different tax treatments
17:44:11 <Ahmuck> separate accounts? explain?
17:45:09 <Ahmuck> True Value Hardware #1?
17:45:16 <Ahmuck> True Value Hardware #2
17:45:23 <Ahmuck> True Value Hardware #3
17:45:31 <Ahmuck> True Value Hardware #4
17:45:48 <Ahmuck> ?
17:45:50 <kimmo2_> well it depends on the specific tax code in effect, but I'd probably start with like Expenses:Farming:Feed, Expenses:Farmin:Bolts, etc
17:46:21 <kimmo2_> or Expenses:Farming:Hardware:Bolts, Expenses:Farmin:Hardware:Nuts, etc
17:48:10 <Ahmuck> yes, I have done that. however we don't list every item specifically. There are two types of items, tax deductable and non-tax deductable. It is advantages to track a vendor specifically if your trying to determine cost of goods from that vendor. However, In the description (which is not payee) it would list as "True Value Hardware (Bolts)¨ "True Value Hardware (Gloves)"
17:48:19 <Ahmuck> This presents a problem with "auto complete"
17:48:29 <Ahmuck> which is my real problem, changing the auto complete
17:48:39 <Ahmuck> it's a PITN
17:48:46 <Ahmuck> pain in the neck
17:49:28 <kimmo2_> yeah, auto complete is a pain
17:50:19 <kimmo2_> I can't really suggest anything since I have no idea about the specific use case, I can just restate what warlord always says, that gnucash is primarily just plain accounting
17:50:32 <kimmo2_> I've been asking for Someone Else to implement cost centers for ages...
17:50:52 <kimmo2_> that might probably also solve your needs
17:51:28 <kimmo2_> hrm, every single time I make the same mistake of noy buying enough beer
17:53:56 <Ahmuck> cost centers?
17:53:58 <Ahmuck> do you program?
17:54:31 <Ahmuck> i understand that gnucash is written in python and s? something
17:56:08 <Ahmuck> auto complete is great so long as you don't have to delete and re-enter
17:56:34 <Ahmuck> so my current practice is enter date, number and amount
17:56:43 <Ahmuck> then return and enter in payee
17:57:01 <kimmo2_> I do program, but I'm not that familiar with gnucash internals. It's not in python though
17:57:17 <kimmo2_> these days it's mostly c and c++ I think
17:57:17 <Ahmuck> then return and enter in description
17:57:32 <Ahmuck> then go back and enter in the transfer account
18:06:49 <Ahmuck> anyhow ... it's a bit of work
18:07:09 <Ahmuck> i like the fact it is free and i did learn double entry accounting
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18:18:05 <Ahmuck> is there a way to transfer accounts from one year to the next
18:18:22 <kimmo2_> to a different file?
18:18:23 <Ahmuck> without rebuilding the entire file again, payees, etc.
18:18:34 <Ahmuck> just copy and then delete all the entries?
18:19:06 <kimmo2_> you can do File -> Export accounts, but you'll lose all the auto-complete stuff since it creates an empty file
18:19:46 <kimmo2_> then again you can just close books on Dec 31, and keep on using it next year
18:20:08 <Ahmuck> keep on using it till next year?
18:20:48 <Ahmuck> auto complete is a problem but it can be an asset when it works correctly. having the auto complete would not require setting up all the vendors, payees, etc. again
18:20:50 <kimmo2_> yeah
18:22:09 <kimmo2_> after all, bookkeeping is a continuous process, and closing books is just a periodic happenstance that summarizes your income and expense into corresponding equity accounts...
18:22:50 <Ahmuck> sure.
18:22:57 <kimmo2_> hrm, I gotta go, wake up in 8 hours
18:23:03 * Ahmuck needs to read more "accounting for dummies" book
18:23:05 <Ahmuck> kk
18:23:09 <Ahmuck> i have to sleep i 3
18:23:11 <Ahmuck> :)
18:23:19 <kimmo2_> 2am here :)
18:23:26 <Ahmuck> 6: pm here
18:23:28 <Ahmuck> nite
18:23:29 <Ahmuck> thx
18:23:35 <kimmo2_> you're welcome
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