2015-01-13 GnuCash IRC logs
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09:58:32 <somethingrandom> alexjj, thank you, I guess I'll do that!
09:59:16 <somethingrandom> I also don't really use cash. Do you use the integrated online function to get statements from your bank?
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11:07:10 <ajs> ls
11:07:22 <ajs> doh, wrong terminal
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11:19:17 <David417> Hi. I just opened GnuCash 2.6.5 in Windows 7. While it was opening there was a new pop-up I have never seen before - "There are no scheduled Transactions to be entered at this time. (One transaction automatically created)" The Since Last Run daemon did not appear and I had no opportunity to see which transaction that was. Hiw can I find out which transaction that was?\
11:20:54 <David417> there was not supposed to be a backslash in my previous comment
11:22:43 <David417> If I go back to yesterday's last backup, the same thing will probably happen again
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11:28:57 <David417> I am paranoid about SX's not behaving as I expect so I never let one slip past without mu perusal. That is mainly because many are designed to need fudging after they appear in the register.
11:30:07 <David417> the u key is next to the y key
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11:38:41 <alexjj> somethingrandom: My banks don't offer the facility to use the integrated function. At the moment I login every few days and manually do the transactions. It's probably more time intensive, but it makes me think about each transaction a lot more and whether or not I could cut down or how that transaction relates to my budget
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11:44:30 <lmat> ajs: :)
11:48:07 <somethingrandom> alexjj, haha, good one :)
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11:49:43 <David417> I reviewed the first log file after I opened the file and found what appears to be three repetitions of the same transaction, but I do not know how to interpret what I see. In any case, I found that they appeared to relate to a SX which should have been created today and was, but the box in the SX editor 'Notify me when created' was not checked. Is this expected behavior when that box is...
11:49:45 <David417> ...not checked? Normally I always check that box, I am not sure why that one was not.
11:51:22 <David417> I never understood what that box was for.
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12:12:58 <jralls> cantsin: We're doing the C++ work bottom-up, so we're working in src/libqof/qof now. I'm working on gnc-date and lmat is studying qofsession. Chenxiong Qi was working on qofcollection, but he went off in the wrong direction. I don't know if he's trying again.
12:13:47 <cantsin> jralls: hello! okay, so its all libqof right now?
12:14:48 <cashisking> After completing one semester of studying about 50% of my student loans are converted to a stipend. How would I show this change in Gnucash?
12:15:05 <jralls> cantsin: Yeah. We need C++ underpinnings to base the engine and backend code on.
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12:16:04 <cantsin> jralls: makes sense. anything small I can help with? I'm not too familiar with the code base -- just started poking around with it a few days ago.
12:16:08 <jralls> David417: Now you do. Yes, that's what the box is for.
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12:22:01 <jralls> cantsin: Keep studying the code. In addition to switching to C++11 we want to consolidate duplicate API and duplicate classes (e.g. three kinds of signals, two kinds of hooks), remove all Gnome dependencies, minimize any other dependencies, and adopt a "modern C++ design" after Andriescu. Note C++11, so if you haven't gotten your head around that, now's the time.
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12:23:39 <cantsin> jralls: nod, C++11 is so much better than previous versions. okay. I'll dig around a bit and see if I can get started. If I have questions, where's the best place to ask them? ML? or here?
12:23:46 <jralls> cantsin: Note as well that to keep the existing higher-level code working the new C++11 has to be wrapped in C.
12:23:56 <cantsin> makes sense, yes.
12:23:59 <ajs> wow, great to hear the port to C++ is planned
12:24:38 <jralls> cantsin: Either works. ML is probably better for more involved questions, here is better for rapid interaction.
12:24:49 <cantsin> jralls: perfect. thanks! :)
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12:27:47 <lmat> cashisking: howdy!
12:27:56 <lmat> cashisking: So you used a stipend to pay some of your student loans?
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12:34:12 <lmat> cantsin: I'm glad to see your interest :-) I like gnucash a lot and I'm eager to see it be ... all that it can be.
12:34:54 <cantsin> lmat: great! looking forward to getting involved :)
12:35:08 <cashisking> lmat: No, the the onces I'm loaning from reduces my load when I pass my exams
12:35:15 <cashisking> loan*
12:35:17 <lmat> cantsin: Unfortunately, my experience hasn't been so great getting to know the code. Are you familiar with autotools?
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12:36:18 <cantsin> lmat: a bit, yes. why?
12:36:21 <lmat> cashisking: wow! Congrats! You'll have something like school loans DR loan forgiveness CR
12:37:01 <cashisking> lmat: What is DR and CR?
12:37:06 <lmat> cantsin: It's used here in a recursive way and extensively. The project is divided into modules which get compiled as shared objects, etc. Took me forever to get my head around that!
12:37:12 <lmat> cashisking: debit and credit, respectively.
12:37:17 <lmat> cashisking: (from debere and credere)
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12:37:23 <cashisking> lmat: Ah, thanks :)
12:37:34 <lmat> cashisking: "loan forgiveness" is a revenue account.
12:38:12 <lmat> cashisking: So the original transaction was checking account DR school loans CR (increasing the checking account balance and the school loans liability).
12:38:48 <cashisking> lmat: I currently have loans under Liablility, is that right?
12:38:52 <lmat> cashisking: Now we need to decrease the school leans liability without decreasing checking account. So, in the stipend transaction, reverse the original, but remove the checking account and replace it with the appropriate revenue account.
12:38:56 <lmat> cashisking: yes.
12:39:21 <cantsin> lmat: oh wow. good to know! any pointers as to documentation i can read up on?
12:39:34 <lmat> cantsin: the repository is the best documentation...
12:39:37 <cantsin> hehe
12:39:39 <cantsin> alright
12:39:42 <lmat> cantsin: Unless you want documentation on autotools, etc...
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12:40:09 <lmat> cantsin: So, you'll cd src/libqof/qof; first off ;-) Then, the easiest way to work with these classes is through the tests in src/libqof/qof/test
12:40:54 <lmat> cantsin: If you want to poke at them in a contained environment, that is. In other words, I've not found it very practical to try to change something and launch gnucash to see what happens. This would make sense with the GUI, or maybe even some business logic, but not so much QOF.
12:41:14 <lmat> cantsin: Anyway, if you run up against any problems, don't hesitate to shout out!
12:41:22 <cantsin> lmat: great, thanks!
12:42:49 <cashisking> lmat: Do I go into student loans and decrease, but toward which account? Is it really revenue, because I have not earned anything, just owe less money.
12:43:13 <lmat> cashisking: same thing!!
12:43:28 <lmat> cashisking: yeah, put it against a revenue.
12:43:40 <cashisking> Do I make a "Loan forgivness" as by suggested in the revenue tab then?
12:43:50 <lmat> cashisking: If I called up the bank and paid $10,000 to your school loans, maybe you would feel it better as revenue? ;-)
12:43:58 <lmat> cashisking: um... there are lots of ways
12:44:04 <lmat> cashisking: The easiest, I think, is, just type it in.
12:44:23 <lmat> cashisking: Then, when you 'tab' out of that column, gnucash will ask you if you want to create it. say yes and follow the on-screen instructions.
12:44:57 <kimmo2_> cashisking, if you get a $1000 loan, and when paying back you only have to pay $500, then $500 is income
12:45:15 <kimmo2_> it's probably not _taxable_ income, but income nevertheless
12:45:28 <cashisking> lmat: You paying my student loans sounds like a great idea. ;)
12:45:47 <cashisking> I see, I'll try that approach then
12:45:51 <kimmo2_> lmat, wanna pay up my 4800 euros, too?
12:45:51 <lmat> cashisking: When I get done with mine, I'll consider it ;-)
12:46:18 <lmat> kimmo2_: Peg me in 20 years when I'm done with my $40,000 or so ;-)
12:46:23 <kimmo2_> heh
12:46:53 <kimmo2_> I don't really understand why more people don't come to Finland for college
12:47:00 <kimmo2_> it's essentially free of charge
12:47:10 <lmat> kimmo2_: Aye, I should have!
12:47:10 <ajs> kimmo2_: anyone can just show up?
12:47:38 <ajs> sign me up!
12:47:40 <cashisking> I only pay about $100 to the university, the rest is for rent and living expenses
12:47:45 <kimmo2_> ajs, pretty much yeah, just take the entrance exams and have a GED, IB, or whatever qualifying high school equivalency diploma
12:48:00 <ajs> i could go for another masters degree :)
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12:48:40 <kimmo2_> the only fee is the nominal $100 or so annually that you pay to the student body, but you get a student ID that gets you more than the $100 is discounts anyway
12:48:46 <ajs> I assume you'd need some sort of visa
12:48:51 <cashisking> kimmo2_: Finland is an awesome country! We have a finnish lecturer :)
12:49:03 <kimmo2_> ajs, if you're accepted, you're pretty much guaranteed a visa
12:49:10 <ajs> neat
12:49:29 <kimmo2_> finland is... "ok"
12:50:01 <kimmo2_> think wyoming, but triple the taxes
12:50:12 <ajs> Minnesota here
12:50:16 <kimmo2_> we do have an ok ice hockey team tho
12:50:18 <cashisking> kimmo2_: More than ok, you have an awesome language, you even know swedish, and it's not to warm.
12:50:19 <ajs> so probably not much different
12:50:26 <ajs> climate wise
12:50:40 <cashisking> kimmo2_: Taxes are good though, you don't pay millions for a visit to the doctors
12:50:41 <kimmo2_> lots of finnish immigrants in mn especially because of the climate
12:51:01 <kimmo2_> that actually depends
12:51:29 <ajs> I'd just love the opportunity of living abroad for awhile
12:51:53 <kimmo2_> if you want to stay in the line for a routine operation for 6 to 12 months, you can use the public healthcare
12:52:56 <cashisking> kimmo2_: People need to stop being sick, that would reduce the line ;)
12:53:10 <kimmo2_> most people use private health care
12:53:33 <kimmo2_> employers are required to provide medical plans, and most people have insurance for kids
12:53:39 <cashisking> I think many people do that over here as well
12:53:43 <lmat> kimmo2_: In the United states, I think most people think that public healthcare is sort of like heaven: no sickness, no disease, health for all ^_^
12:54:17 <kimmo2_> lmat, yeah I've heard. For me, public healthcare means 30% government spending with equally bad service for everyone
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12:57:52 <lmat> that moment when you realize that they..forgot...your...FORTUNE COOKIE!!
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12:59:34 <kimmo2_> heh
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13:21:36 <kimmo2_> hmmh
13:22:57 <kimmo2_> warlord: is there a way to make so that in a register, when I enter "Groceries" as memo, it wouldn't just pick up the most recent transaction as the template, but instead empty one?
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14:09:18 <jralls> kimmo2_: There's no way to turn off autocomplete. The easiest thing to do is to fill out the rest of the transaction first, then go back to the description and type in what you want. Don't type <tab>, use <enter> to complete the transaction.
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14:20:42 <jgeidl> Anyone here use A/R and Invoicing in Quicken then import to gnuCash?
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17:59:01 <jgeidl> test
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18:36:58 <jefm> are there examples viewable anywhere of what gnucash users type in for their online banking servers and creds? (obviously with account numbers munged)
18:37:39 <jefm> can't get it to talk with two different banks
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19:33:43 <jralls> jefm: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/OFX_Direct_Connect_Bank_Settings, http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Setting_up_OFXDirectConnect_in_GnuCash_2, http://www.ofxhome.com/, and http://ofxblog.wordpress.com/
19:36:07 <jefm> Thanks for writing, jralls. I'm wondering if my aqbanking is the wrong version, or something. Those walkthroughs refer to dialogs I cannot find.
19:37:41 <jralls> jefm: The dialogs haven't changed much in a long time. You get to them by running Tools>Online Banking Setup and clicking the "start aqbanking setup" button on the second page of the assistant.
19:40:05 <jefm> Did that, made a user and tried to connect, i'll run it again real quick and see what's different
19:45:49 <jefm> things like client UID, country, bank routing number are different or missing
19:55:50 <jralls> jefm: Hmm. Looks like
19:56:14 <jralls> "Setting UP OFXDirectConnect in Gnucash2" is a bit out of date.
19:58:26 <jefm> oh no
19:59:08 <jralls> Country and the bank's routing ID goes in the 'Bank Code" line on account setup. CustomerUID is on the user setup, user settings tab.
19:59:37 <jralls> Sorry, Country has its own line on the account setup dialog box.
20:08:29 <jefm> My procedure does not have a 'Bank Code', it does have a Broker (leaving blank per the docs) and a FID
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20:09:49 <jefm> Special Settings does not mention a routing number. I've clicked around a bit cant get to a routing number. Hm
20:16:28 <jralls> jefm: The routing number is the number on the left on your checks, if you have any. It wouldn't apply to a brokerage account.
20:17:20 <jefm> jralls: Indeed, I just don't see the prompt to enter it anywhere.
20:17:44 <jralls> It goes on the account setup, not the user setup.
20:17:52 <jralls> Same with Country.
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20:23:44 <jefm> Thanks jralls, found the dialog. Did not go but I will try harder later. Dinner time (scotch)
20:24:18 <jralls> A good Malt, I trust. Enjoy.
20:25:19 <jefm> likewise thanks again for being online.
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21:03:54 <jgeidl> I tried connecting using aqbanking but can't find anyplace to put in a password so my bank just dumps me out
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21:25:20 <socfocus> i get a successful login to my bank but no data comes back
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23:30:17 <warlord> jgeidl: GnuCash has no importers of A/R from QIF.
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