2015-01-05 GnuCash IRC logs
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05:36:25 <fell> @tell Werner If you really need "Force SSLv3" to access your bank account, you should discuss that issue with the IT guys of your bank.
05:36:25 <gncbot> fell: The operation succeeded.
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10:20:25 <daum> hm this weird - each time i go to run a transaction report over all accounts for the previous year gnucash crashes, any ideas what could be causing it on 2.6.1
10:21:55 <daum> here is the command line output https://gist.github.com/anonymous/b8365f801cde6a800696
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10:29:23 <warlord> daum: run in gdb and catch the core dump backtrace?
10:30:22 <daum> warlord, sure sec will look up how to dot hat
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10:33:47 <warlord> daum: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backtrace
10:34:32 <daum> warlord, https://gist.github.com/anonymous/17f6e9cb18a033efb851
10:36:00 <daum> i think that is what ya needed right?
10:41:47 <daum> this is also on the xml backend btw
10:41:59 <warlord> daum: hmm.. it's an abort error in scheme.
10:42:06 <warlord> Well, first, I would upgrade; 2.6.5 is current.
10:42:09 <warlord> What OS/Distro?
10:42:12 <daum> ubuntu
10:42:14 <daum> trusty
10:43:48 <daum> warlord, looks like i'll need to install the getdeb stuff
10:51:30 <daum> brb going to restart
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10:55:51 <daum> hm it sees the upgrade but keeps holding it back
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10:59:03 <daum> ah did the auto remove then now the install has some dependencies issues ha
11:02:08 <daum> warlord, now getting https://gist.github.com/anonymous/4d525159519cab241119 any idea how to get around that issue
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11:03:05 <Ahmuck> i've pulled and deposited amounts in/to/from my personal account that are business expenses
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11:04:43 <Ahmuck> in gnucash are business expenses and personal mixed or do you need a seperate file for business?
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11:06:46 <cphuntington97> I guess I'm waiting to decide that when my business actually makes money :P but I'd like to hear what others do. I think a separate file would be the most clear
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11:08:28 <Ahmuck> is there a way to link the two files?
11:08:48 <Ahmuck> so that you record the transaction in the check register but put it in the business category
11:09:05 <Ahmuck> or do i need to create a whole set of accounts within the same file for business?
11:10:47 <cphuntington97> that would be if you are sharing the file which maybe very sensible.. I'd like to hear what the common practice is
11:11:22 <warlord> daum: sorry, I dont use DebUntu so I cannot help you with that
11:11:42 <daum> no problem will get it upgraded and get back to you if i keep getting crashes
11:11:50 <warlord> Ahmuck: generally separate
11:11:52 <cphuntington97> tax laws are pretty strict in the states so I will probably keep a seperate file
11:12:06 <warlord> No, no automatic linage
11:12:08 <warlord> linkage
11:12:39 <warlord> If it's a different taxable entity then you should use separate files.
11:22:48 <daum> warlord, wuwu upgraded and it works fine!
11:24:12 <warlord> daum: great
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11:29:35 <daum> warlord, random one for you - do you know how to fix it so that multi-page reports dont' have half the text on the end of one page and half on the start of the other page
11:29:54 <daum> for pdfs that is
11:30:50 <warlord> daum: export the report as HTML and print from firefox?
11:31:39 <daum> great call
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11:35:52 <Ahmuck> So expenses and income should be put in a category called Business Name if it came out of the personal account and then create a business account and do the accounting there essentially ignoring the add/minus for the business name on the personal account/file
11:36:49 <warlord> Ahmuck: doesn't matter what *account* it came out of, per se. Is this business a separate taxable entity?
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11:53:31 <Ahmuck> technically no. technically it's supposed to have it's own bank account but i've done hardly anything with it this year. it has a separate tax id
11:57:20 <warlord> If it has a separate taxid then you should use a separate set of accounts in a different file..
11:58:59 <Ahmuck> makes sense
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12:45:25 <Ahmuck> i guess i'll dump expenses and payments into a "Business Category" on my personal account, create a new file for the Business Account and then take the "Business Category" and transfer it to customers, vendors, etc.
12:59:08 <warlord> Ahmuck: you should ask an accountant the right way..
13:00:25 <Ahmuck> :)
13:00:27 <Ahmuck> thx
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13:01:34 <Ahmuck> i got this i just wasn't sure if i could link two separate files. if i could i would use the transfer section to indicate the file name and then the payment / deductible category
13:02:07 <Ahmuck> my primary file and my business file would be linked by the categories they needed to be sorted in.
13:04:51 <warlord> Ahmuck: not sure that's the right way... To your personal account the "expense" is more a "business investment"..
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13:43:35 <fell> I just found commit 852c3ed, which made over 1000 translated strings dirty by adding a colon.
13:44:14 <warlord> lovely!
13:45:34 <fell> Often we had as tooltips short infinitves, no full sentences.
13:47:03 <jralls> Note that that was committed in August 2013. The translators have had plenty of time to fix it.
13:47:10 <Ahmuck> ah, warlord u would be right, i do recall my accountant telling me that years ago
13:47:26 <Ahmuck> and the payment would be a payment from the business, as in a wage/salary
13:48:38 <Ahmuck> fell, colons are usually dirty :)
13:48:51 <fell> From my understanding "The name of your business." is no sentence.
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13:57:27 <fell> It was a frustrating exercise to review the translation: did something relevant change, should I simply add a colon or try to contruct a real sentence like "Enter the name of your business here."
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14:00:29 <Ahmuck> i'm not a dev, but i think "Enter your nam ..." is a better translation.
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14:01:57 <warlord> fell: it's not a full sentence, no, but it's a descriptive phrase which is valid when the subject/verb is "understood". E.g. [This field is] ...
14:03:41 <fell> But would you close a descriptive phrase with a colon?
14:05:33 <jralls> fell: msgids don't need to be full sentences. In fact, a parameterized sentence often needs to be broken up into several msgids so that the order of the parameters can be dealt with.
14:06:05 <jralls> Also, any punctuation needs to be in the msgid because different languages use different marks.
14:07:12 <warlord> fell: possibly, if it's a label "before" the field.
14:11:14 <Ahmuck> So i selected "Buisness" when setting up the file. Processing payments requests I set up a Accounts Recievable account. Wouldn't this be set up by selecting the "Business" section upon setup?
14:13:16 <jralls> fell: I just looked at the patch: Aurimas added *periods*, '.', the Brits call it a "full-stop". A colon is ':'.
14:13:48 <Ahmuck> «
14:17:19 <fell> Yes, sorry
14:18:07 <fell> (I was just looking for my dictionary)
14:19:29 <jralls> Some places it clearly make sense to end the msgid with a full-stop, e.g. the tooltip "Show the Account Color as Account Name Background".
14:23:38 <jralls> The example you gave is from business-prefs.scm. It's in an option registration, and I think it's used as tool-tip text. In that usage I think the full-stop on the end is correct; there's an implied "This field is for" in that case. Most American readers would find making it explicit a bit tiresome.
14:26:46 <Ahmuck> kewl, got the business thingy down now
14:48:15 <Ahmuck> sorting won't mess up the register?
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15:04:18 <Ahmuck> nm, got it
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16:17:29 <Ahmuck> thx u
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19:23:05 <BludGeonT> Question for some experienced users/devs for Gnucash. I have a friend looking to sell products to hotels. They are going to download a csv database of hotel information including things like addresses, contacts, email addresses, etc. They need a software system that can import this data and then use it in tandem as an accounting system. Gnucash looks to be very nice for the accounting
19:23:05 <BludGeonT> aspects. My question then:
19:23:27 <BludGeonT> is it feasible to be able to import this data into gnucash and be able to then start using it and begin billing hotels and things like that? - thanks for your time
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20:54:09 <warlord> BludGeonT: probably. there *is* a CSV-based Customer Importer. I've never used it so cannot say anything more than "it exists". I believe it is fairly rigid in the CSV format it expectds.
21:04:35 <BludGeonT> warlord: thank you for the reply, I really apprciate it a lot - have a good one
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21:18:25 <len_> How can I change the font size in gnucash. I'm using KDE. I can set the gtk font style and size from KDE, but only the font style effect can be seen in gnucash. the gtk font size setting has no effect.
21:20:39 <len_> I checked the .gtkrc-2.0 file, and both style and size changes are being saved there, but only the style change is being used by gnucash.
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21:30:23 <len_> Seem that the Oxygen-gtk theme is broken. It works with other themes.
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22:10:25 <len_> OK, not exactly broken, just misleading. The Oxygen theme goes by KDE default font size setting and ignores the box for gtk font size--but doesn't grey out the box and lets you enter a number it just ingnores.
22:13:16 <len_> Sure would be nice to be able to change gnucash's font size independently. I never userstood why anyone would alway want to use the same font size in every type of program. I hate having to make system-wide changes back and forth just to view one program differently than others. No sure why anyone thinks that is a good idea.
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