2014-12-06 GnuCash IRC logs
00:34:43 <fell> Lasak: Please set a more children frienly quit message - without the f-words (neither in english nor in malay)
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02:46:43 <panic_aus> hi all just wondering how it would be best to do this: i pay for parking using my credit card and periodically my employer reimburses me paying into my savings account, which i then use to pay my credit card. i tried using a a/r asset account to record what the employer currently owes me, but i end up with imbalance when i record the parking expens
02:46:43 <panic_aus> e and the credit card expense
02:47:24 <panic_aus> credit card liability*
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03:00:03 <fell> Hm, I get a freeze on maint in QIF-import, select currency...
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04:21:34 <fell> Gjanssens, I hope you had a nice Sinterklaas.
04:22:45 <gjanssens> I did :) How about you ?
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04:24:17 <fell> Oh, I forgot to put my boots before the door. '(
04:27:16 <fell> Currently I am wondering, if we could in business-prefs
04:27:34 <fell> a) use _hotkeys
04:28:06 <fell> b) have some better order.
04:29:09 <fell> I am in the new book options of csv-import.
04:39:41 <Simon> panic_aus: Assets:Debtors:Employer <- Liabilities:Credit Card when you pay for parking
04:40:03 <Simon> panic_aus: Assets:Debtors:Employer -> Assets:Savings Account when they pay you back
04:40:59 <Simon> (you never have a parking expense, it is the employer that does)
04:47:12 <gjanssens> fell: new book options of csv-import ? What is that ?
04:47:36 <gjanssens> Is it the same was new book options when creating a new file ?
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05:13:03 <fell> gjanssens: much better than in the new file assistant
05:13:47 <fell> It seems to be File->Properties
05:15:15 <gjanssens> In the new file assistant indeed the File->Properties dialog is included
05:15:50 <gjanssens> And how is this related to csv-import ?
05:16:36 <fell> I was checking my translation of csv-import and then it popped up.
05:17:15 <gjanssens> I don't have an importable file handy right now so I can't test the whole import sequence to look at it
05:17:23 <fell> Start gnucash -- nofile; then File->Import->csv...
05:17:57 <fell> Somewhere is an example (in docs?)
05:22:00 <fell> docs/examples
05:23:22 <fell> But if it is the same as File->properties, where is the GUI for that?
05:24:48 <gjanssens> Ok, I see the dialog appear.
05:25:19 <gjanssens> So you want this dialog to have hotkeys and/or better structured ?
05:25:30 <fell> yep
05:25:51 <gjanssens> I believe it's assembled from different parts across the code
05:25:54 <gjanssens> Let me check...
05:26:41 <fell> in app-utils I have business-prefs.scm
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05:26:56 <fell> That strings are used.
05:28:49 <fell> I made a translation with e.g. "_Kundennr." but shown as "_Kundennr."
05:30:47 <fell> <property name="use_underline">True</property> had to be set to enable it
05:37:33 <gjanssens> They are indeed in business-prefs.scm
05:38:01 <gjanssens> But the actual widget creation is elsewhere
05:50:05 <gjanssens> The widgets are created in gnc_option_set_gui_widget in src/gnome-utils/dialog-options.c:992 and further
05:50:29 <gjanssens> Depending on the widget type it may be handled in further sub functions
05:52:08 <gjanssens> It's one of the messy areas in gnucash where execution jumps between C and guile code multiple times to get something done
05:52:38 <gjanssens> Which makes it very difficult to trace
05:53:38 <gjanssens> Which is probably also a reason why it's still in this condition...
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06:02:56 <fell> Ok, I have to play de zwarte Piet now. CU later.
06:08:46 <gjanssens> Have fun :)
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08:03:12 <panic_aus> Simon: thanks
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10:26:34 <zantherus> hi. i am new to gnucash and going through the tutorial manual. I am having some difficulty in chapter 4 when i get to the part of generating a cash flow report. I am unable to get the Expenses:Taxes accounts to show up under the "Money out of selected accounts goes to" header even though all other expenses show up normally. I have tried recreating the account tree with the transactions multiple times with no success everytime. W
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10:31:05 <lmat> zantherus: I don't have the manual handy. Are you selecting an account that has at least one transaction with the Taxes account for your cash flow report?
10:31:35 <lmat> zantherus: For instance, if you're getting a cash flow report for the "Chequing" account, are you sure that at least one transaction affects both the Chequing and Taxes accounts?
10:34:01 <zantherus> lmat: Yes. When I open up the checking account I can see the transactions that would affect both the "Checking" and "Taxes" account. I am then able to highlight the "Taxes" transaction and open it in the actual "Taxes" account register.
10:35:12 <lmat> zantherus: great. Are you also sure that the time period of the Cash Flow report would include that transaction?
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10:36:28 <zantherus> The date of the transaction is 2014.11.14 and the date of the Cash Flow is 2014.1.1 through 2014.12.31
10:37:00 <lmat> zantherus: Could you send me the books you're working on?
10:37:06 <lmat> zantherus: Perhaps I can reproduce the error here?
10:39:02 <zantherus> lmat: Yes. I'll upload it and send the file to you.
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10:53:09 <lmat> zantherus: Okay, got the file.
10:53:16 <lmat> zantherus: The first thing to note is that the Taxes account has nothing in it.
10:53:56 <lmat> When I run the cash flow report, it defaults to running against all the Asset accounts. It shows Salary as $1,000 as the only "Income" account.
10:54:11 <lmat> zantherus: The expenses include Expenses:Taxes:Federal, Medicare, and Social Security.
11:00:06 <zantherus> Here is what I get - https://www.dropbox.com/s/l4jth578xp4qfke/myresults.png?dl=0
11:00:29 <zantherus> Here is what the guide says you should get - https://www.dropbox.com/s/kusoeogdceunxms/tutorialpic.png?dl=0
11:01:20 <lmat> zantherus: Why is salary 670?
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11:01:34 <lmat> zantherus: The file you gave me has 1000 on 11-14.
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11:02:18 <zantherus> lmat: And now you can see where my confusion comes into play. I am using the same file I sent you
11:03:03 <lmat> zantherus: ahh
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11:04:01 <zantherus> lmat: It's not factoring the Expenses:Taxes:Federal, Medicare, and Social Security in the Cash Flow Report.
11:04:11 <lmat> zantherus: ah yes, that does seem to be the case.
11:05:16 <zantherus> lmat: I'm thinking it's something with my preferences/report options, but I cannot figure it out
11:05:36 <lmat> zantherus: I don't see anything there, except *perhaps* account nesting level?
11:07:01 <lmat> zantherus: Would you right-click the Medicare account and click "Edit account"?
11:07:37 <zantherus> lmat: Ok. I get the "Edit Account" Window
11:07:44 <lmat> What is the "Account Type"?
11:09:31 <zantherus> Expense
11:12:53 <lmat> zantherus: sorry for the wait. yeah, that's okay
11:12:58 <lmat> zantherus: I don't think I can help any more :(
11:13:17 <lmat> zantherus: ...what version of gnucash?
11:13:43 <zantherus> 2.6.3
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11:16:35 <lmat> zantherus: yeah, I got nothing :(
11:16:51 <lmat> zantherus: Feel free to e-mail the User list; they can probably set you right :)
11:17:35 <kimmo2> you probably have this as one big split?
11:17:35 <kimmo2> the salary?
11:18:02 <kimmo2> $1000 income, $670 to checking, $330 directly to taxes?
11:18:40 <lmat> yes
11:19:04 <kimmo2> so the $330 never enters the checking account
11:19:29 <kimmo2> that is a cash flow report of checking accounts, not a p&l
11:19:39 <lmat> kimmo2: My screen shows it as expected.
11:20:14 <lmat> kimmo2: dr checking, dr taxes:medicare, dr taxes:social security, dr ..., cr salary.
11:20:48 <kimmo2> it _shouldn't_ do that since the $330 never enters checking account
11:21:12 <kimmo2> if you have separate transactions, then it should
11:21:57 <zantherus> Here is the link to the file: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gjoks0uul3xhwp2/gnucash_4.gnucash?dl=0
11:22:00 <lmat> kimmo2: seems reasonable to me :)
11:25:32 <zantherus> kimmo2: That fixed it and clears it up. Thank you.
11:25:53 <zantherus> lmat: Thank you for all of your help. :)
11:26:21 <lmat> what!?
11:26:47 <lmat> zantherus: The guide suggests for you to have it all in one transaction? And you don't get the expected output...and I do. This is far from complete ^_^
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11:31:17 <zantherus> lmat: you're right. it is far from complete. At least it's a little progress forward and I can get a report that shows everything. I am still going to search for the reason to why you get the right solution and I don't because although I have something to work with it's still not what is supposed to happen and that's just not ok
11:31:45 <lmat> zantherus: I actually agree with kimmo2 that I get the wrong solution...
11:32:10 <zantherus> what do you mean you get the wrong solution?
11:32:24 <lmat> zantherus: But I haven't thought of it much. I've noticed that the cash flow report seems to report everything in any transaction with the selected account.
11:33:14 <lmat> zantherus: In the great transaction (the salary transaction), 630 is coming from "Salary" into "Chequing".
11:33:46 <lmat> zantherus: Although the issue gets *much* more complicated when say
11:34:35 <lmat> zantherus: dr chequing $5, dr rent $7, cr chequing $11, cr income $1.
11:35:05 <lmat> zantherus: In this case, how much came into chequing and from whence, and how much went out of checking and whither?
11:35:56 <kimmo2> the moral of the story however is that cash flow reports are stupid
11:36:31 <lmat> kimmo2: whew. Glad that's settled ;-)
11:38:15 <kimmo2> zantherus, what exactly do you want to find out? I've been doing double entry accounting of my personal finances for close to 20 years and I can't think of any occasion when I've needed cash flow reports..
11:39:00 <lmat> kimmo2: He's following the tutorial. It gives example output, and that's not what he sees on his screen.
11:39:33 <zantherus> kimmo2: i wanted to know if I was doing something wrong or (which is improbably but in this case seems likely) if the guide was wrong
11:39:47 <zantherus> *improbable
11:40:33 <kimmo2> ah
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11:52:57 <jralls> gjanssens: I built a stripped-down WebKit-1.8.3, with all of the configure options disabled. Last night's maint build uses it, and the startup time on my XP VM is down to about 15 seconds. Can you see if you get a similar speedup?
11:54:12 <gjanssens> jralls: let me check...
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12:06:17 <gjanssens> jralls: on my system the build aborts in less than 2 seconds because it's missing icudt50.dll :(
12:06:36 <jralls> Rats.
12:06:47 <gjanssens> Thought you would say that ;)
12:07:51 <jralls> DependencyWalker time, I guess. GC managed to find that lib even though I tried to hide it.
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12:22:18 <jralls> gjanssens: I added icudt50.dll to http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28unstable%29/Win32%20Build%20Dependencies/webkit-1.8.3-minGW.tgz/download. If you like you can retrieve it and add icudt50.dll to gnucash/bin and see if that works. Meanwhile I started a build on the build Vm, which I intend to short-circuit, but even so that will take a while.
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12:29:46 <gjanssens> jralls: I did so. icudt50.dll is the only missing requirement it seems
12:30:03 <jralls> Good. How was the load time?
12:30:05 <gjanssens> Startup time from double-click to splash screen = 16s
12:30:15 <gjanssens> Big improvement already
12:30:52 <jralls> Unfortunately I don't think that there's anything more I can do in the near term.
12:31:55 <jralls> Unless there's a way to defer loading libgncmod-html and do it in the background after getting the UI running.
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13:39:02 <jralls> warlord: I hand-copied a new gnucash-2.6.4-...setup.exe to code/win32, but I screwed up on my first try and put it in the wrong place, releases/maint. Would you pleases delete that directory?
13:42:20 <warlord> jralls: I don't see a releases/maint directory
13:42:57 <warlord> I do see a 2.6.4/ directory... not sure why that is there.
13:43:31 <warlord> Ahh, I *do* see a releases/maint. It's not a directory, it's a file.
13:46:18 <jralls> Oh, duh. Yeah, I said "scp foo code:.../releases/maint, and since there wasn't already a directory it named the file maint.
13:49:04 <warlord> Yep. Want me to rename the file for you, or delete it?
13:49:26 <jralls> Please delete it. I already recopied the file to the right place.
13:50:57 <warlord> ok
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13:51:06 <warlord> done
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