2014-12-05 GnuCash IRC logs

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03:36:26 <fell> gjanssens: Any reason, we don't have ChangeLog.2013 in dist_doc_DATA?
04:08:57 <gjanssens> fell: no specific reason. Probably just forgotten
04:09:24 <fell> Patch applied, wiki updated!
04:09:44 <gjanssens> Thanks
04:10:06 <gjanssens> I remember during the git migration there have been discussions on whether or not we should keep the changelogs
04:10:56 <gjanssens> They can become a source of merge conflicts as well if we start generating change logs for both maint and master (during the 2.7 release cycle)
04:11:30 <gjanssens> And the git repository's commit history is a fairly comprehensive changelog on its own
04:11:46 <gjanssens> But the discussion never came to a definitive conclusion
04:12:12 <fell> People living n the wilderness have not neccessary git access.
04:12:14 <gjanssens> Perhaps we should continue this when jralls is around
04:12:40 <fell> So they would like to have a changelog in they dist.
04:12:46 <gjanssens> There is the news file as well which summarizes the changes
04:13:26 <gjanssens> When asked on the list Mike (Alexander or Evans, I'm not sure) noted that he did read that
04:13:39 <gjanssens> Noboby spoke of the changelog
04:13:48 <fell> OK, delayed in the afternoon.
04:16:33 <gjanssens> Just as an idea for this afternoon: we could make the changelog an autogenerated file during make dist instead of manually updating it
04:17:02 <gjanssens> And only list changes since the last release or in the major release cycle (from 2.6.0 till now)
04:17:04 <gjanssens> And refer to git for more details
04:17:11 <gjanssens> Could be a reasonable compromise which avoids merge conflicts
04:18:36 <fell> BTW: do you see some reason - except update of the page - Translation_Status says still: update your translations on the "trunk" branch
04:19:13 <gjanssens> That is clearly wrong.
04:19:44 <gjanssens> It should be maint until we start the unstable 2.7 release series
04:21:16 <gjanssens> I'll correct it
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04:35:19 <fell> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Release_Process#Backport_Policy has a dead link Git#Current_Backport_Policy.
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04:48:19 <gjanssens> Fixed, and fixed it on http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Documentation_Release_Process as well
05:00:32 <fell> Thanks!
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05:19:50 <gjanssens> fell: you're welcome
05:20:12 <gjanssens> I'm happy you're committing documentation and translation fixes again
05:20:23 <gjanssens> I hope you are slowly getting used to git
05:21:51 <fell> The trick is, to get it all working in eclipse. Running git help on every subcommand is annoying.
05:22:55 <gjanssens> And how far did you get with eclipse ?
05:23:15 <gjanssens> I'm using it as well but for git commands I usually return to the command line.
05:24:03 <fell> Except autogen.sh and sudo make install nearly everithing is working.
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05:24:52 <gjanssens> You can avoid sudo make install by choosing a different prefix
05:25:03 <fell> In eclipse git symlinks are problematic, dependend on java version, ...
05:25:17 <gjanssens> I install into $HOME/Development/installs/gnucash
05:25:34 <gjanssens> You can set that up in the preferences as one of the options to the configure command
05:25:37 <fell> Me, mostly, too
05:26:15 <fell> but -docs I wish to see in yelp
05:27:32 <gjanssens> Oh right. Set environment variable XDG_DATA_DIRS, then yelp will find it
05:28:59 <fell> Can you explain it in http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Documentation_Update_Instructions ?
05:29:31 <fell> wrong link...
05:29:55 <gjanssens> export XDG_DATA_DIRS=/home/janssege/Development/Installs/gnucash-docs/share:${XDG_DATA_DIRS}:/usr/local/share:/usr/share
05:30:17 <gjanssens> That should do it (subtitute with where you have installed your gnucash-docs)
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05:41:45 <fell> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation#The_Procedure 8.7
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06:11:48 <gjanssens> Thanks fell
06:13:07 <gjanssens> Although it's slightly more subtle than that
06:13:30 <gjanssens> Either you specify the full path to the main file for yelp
06:14:10 <gjanssens> eg: yelp $HOME/Installs/gnucash-docs/share/gnome/help/gnucash-help/de_DE/gnucash-help.xml
06:14:34 <gjanssens> Or you can have yelp locate it for you on the XDG_DATA_DIRS path by specifying
06:14:41 <gjanssens> yelp ghelp:gnucash-help
06:15:00 <gjanssens> Only for the second invocation you need to have XDG_DATA_DIRS set
06:15:28 <gjanssens> The reason this trick can be useful is because gnucash itself uses the second invocation
06:16:02 <gjanssens> If you want to test your custom documentation from within gnucash, you have to set the XDG_DATA_DIRS variable
06:16:30 <gjanssens> And for completeness I should add that yelp will use the current locale while choosing the language
06:17:06 <gjanssens> So if you want to test another language than your system locale you could do this:
06:17:21 <gjanssens> LANG=de_DE LANGUAGE=de_DE yelp ghelp:gnucash-guide
06:17:34 <gjanssens> (assuming you had already set XDG_DATA_DIRS correctly)
06:17:56 <gjanssens> Or fully combined: to test your data from within gnucash you do:
06:18:12 <gjanssens> export XDG_DATA_DIRS=<as above>
06:18:26 <gjanssens> export LANG=<locale to test>
06:18:32 <gjanssens> export LANGUAGE=<locale to test>
06:18:57 <gjanssens> <path-to-gnucash-installation>/bin/gnucash
06:19:26 <gjanssens> Then from within that gnucash run your loal help and guide will be used
06:19:29 <fell> How about a link to Locale_Settings for the latter part?
06:19:48 <gjanssens> In the documentation you mean?
06:19:50 <gjanssens> That's fine
06:20:13 <gjanssens> (Eh in the wiki that is of course)
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06:23:39 <fell> My system is set to de_DE.utf8. Only to see the originals I use LANG=C ...
06:24:33 <fell> and sometimes to LANG=de_BE ;-)
06:25:06 <gjanssens> Do you get a different tranlsation if you set your LANG to de_BE ?
06:25:57 <fell> Before the change ~1 year ago, I got then english
06:26:19 <fell> Now I get only the other date format.
06:31:10 <fell> (only the docs in english)
06:34:25 <fell> But some time ago, we had a guy, who tried to maintain a separate de_CH.po
06:35:32 <fell> tax secrets is an important term in CH! ;-)
06:37:07 <gjanssens> :D
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09:42:08 <warlord> gjanssens: w.r.t. ChangeLogs, we only generate and commit them for the "previous year", so they are always.... static.
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13:54:41 <jralls> warlord, gjanssens, fell: ChangeLog is updated by make directly from `git log`. As long as I do everything right it's part of the release commit. In order to keep the size under control it's archived to ChangeLog.YYYY before the first release of each year. The full procedure is in http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Release_Process.
13:57:26 <fell> ChangeLog2013 was not dist_doc_DATA until today.
13:57:36 <fell> in
13:59:15 <jralls> OK, so it wasn't in the tarballs. No one seems to have noticed, which I don't think is terribly surprising. It's only interesting for historians anyway. ;-)
14:00:15 <fell> :D
14:04:10 <warlord> Right.
14:14:07 <jralls> Since it's mostly automated, I don't see any reason to drop it. I may change my mind when we start doing releases out of master if merging it becomes a PITA, but we can worry about that then.
14:14:53 <warlord> I think that's fine
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