2014-11-13 GnuCash IRC logs
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10:13:58 <lmat> Why, in unittest-support.c, in do_test_checked_handler does it say "if (hits)"?
10:14:14 <lmat> Why not just ++(tdata->hits); ? Why would we want there to already be an hit before we increment?
10:14:59 <lmat> (the last change for those lines is "Code reindentation in tests", so I can't tell if there's a special commit message for this...)
10:22:51 <lmat> ah, 6379a23b8 seems to have touched on it, but doesn't talk about it explicitly.
10:23:08 <lmat> "New functions to simply creating log handlers for expected ..."
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10:43:58 <gjanssens> lmat: likely there are situations where you don't want to count hits ?
10:44:29 <lmat> gjanssens: If those situations are when there are currently no hits, an explanation would be greatly appreciated ^_^
10:44:53 <gjanssens> jralls should be able to give an authoritative answer given he as committed 6379a23b8
10:45:12 <gjanssens> lmat: hits is a boolean parameter of the function
10:45:27 <gjanssens> I don't think it's related to error->hits, which is a counter
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10:45:43 <lmat> gjanssens: ah, thanks for pointing that out!
10:46:31 <gjanssens> so it looks to me the caller is free to decide if he wants to keep track of the number of hits or not by setting the boolean accordingly
10:46:43 <gjanssens> But again, jralls can confirm or correct me
10:50:50 <lmat> gjanssens: And the caller is the gtest infrastructure (I think ^_^)
10:51:42 <gjanssens> lmat: I haven't looked further than that :)
10:52:03 <lmat> gjanssens: No sweat. Pointing out that hits is not a member (but a local or global) is helpful enough!
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12:41:06 <jralls> linas: gmp is too slow for only 128 bits because it relies too heavily on the heap. The current GnuCash code is extremely naive and as it is now only works for a 64-bit divisor.
12:42:24 <jralls> linas: I've decided to try out the division algo from Knuth V2. We'll see how that goes.
12:51:46 <jralls> lmat: The client for the error handling code is g_log. It's for ensuring that code paths which are supposed to emit log messages actually do so. I haven't yet looked at how to handle that for gtest. It will also need to be changed when we migrate from g_log to whatever C++ logger we settle on.
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15:44:36 <Shact> Hello all. After I add a new security and give it a Type, I'm not able to set that Type for a new account. Anyone know why?
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16:20:21 <jralls> Shact: Security types aren't account types. A security type is just a way to make securities easier to find in pick lists when you have a lot of them.
16:23:01 <Shact> Some time ago though, I made a Bitcoin security, and I have a Bitcoin account linked to it. No idea how I did this.
16:23:43 <Shact> I think maybe I had a different version of Gnucash that allowed me to do that? Probaby 2.3.X
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16:28:15 <jralls> Shact: Sure, but your BTC account is of type STOCK and has BTC as its commodity. There's been no change to that (other than to protect you from using a reserved security type-name) since 2.2, maybe longer.
16:30:48 <Shact> Oh. Thanks. And is it normal that when I open that account I get a currency error?
16:31:05 <Shact> "could not determin account currecny"
16:33:10 <Shact> The reason is I'd like to try booking hours (as a commodity) to a Gnucash liability account. I think it will work quite well for chargeable work. I haven't been able to find much about this idea online.
16:33:45 <lmat> Shact: I've thought about that, too. Do let me know how it turns out!
16:34:24 <Shact> I'll be sure to post back to the room at some point in the near future when it's working :)
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16:39:18 <Shact> This guy was having the same problem as me back in 2008. Looks like it wasn't resolved: https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2008-April/025029.html
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16:48:46 <jralls> Shact: Yes, that's expected. Only asset accounts can be denominated in something other than a currency at present. I'm surprised that the Account Editor let you select a non-currency for the commodity when the account type was set to LIABILIY.
16:50:04 <Shact> ..well it wasn't doing until I added a STOCK commodity type. I don't have to us eit, but as long as it exists I seem to have the freedom to create interesting commodity accounts. When I erase it I can't. That's one bug that doesn't need fixing ;-)
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16:53:30 <Shact> It would be nice though if it was a little easier to do these things. I mean, why have restrictions? What I'd like to do is get this time management thing set-up properly, and then deploy Gnucash within my department so that everyone's hours are accounted for, and I can see where time is spent in order to make improvements in efficiency.
16:55:12 <Shact> What I may have to do is get one of the software guys to edit the sourcecode to allow comodity libaility accounts as standard, and have an option to dsiable the currency warning. Would this be an easy change?
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16:58:34 <Shact> Btw is the 2.4 branch dead? I don't like 2.6 so much because it's got all the graphics glitches of the 2.2 branch. Only 2.3 and 2.4 have ever worked smoothly on Windows. Could 2.6 be built with a different version of GTK? I reckon it's GTK that's responsible.
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17:20:41 <jralls> Shact: It might be an easy change, but making sure that it doesn't have any unpleasant repurcussions would be hard. Yes, 2.4 is closed to further development. No, we can't migrate to Gtk3, the register code needs to be reimplented. We're considering moving away from Gtk entirely, to a framework with a better attitude about cross-platform compatibility, but we have a lot of code cleanup and rewriting to do before we can.
17:22:09 <jralls> Shact: But I don't really think that GnuCash is the right tool for what you're trying to do with managing the time allocation of your troops, never mind that most people rather resent that sort of tracking.
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17:23:57 <Shact> Oh everyone logs their time already, but into a terrible system called OnTime that's designed for software project tracking. It doesn't work well for time managemnet.
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17:25:34 <jralls> What are you trying to manage? GnuCash isn't designed for any sort of time management, not even charging hours against project accounts.
17:25:51 <Shact> No, but it works perfecly for it :)
17:26:03 <Shact> Better than any of the tools that are designed for it
17:26:14 <jralls> How can you say that, when you can't even get it to work?
17:26:29 <Shact> We want to be able to book hours against specific jobs, so that we can bill clients more accurately
17:27:21 <Shact> Currently the complexity of OnTime means that it doesn't get filled in properly, because it takes ten minutes just to enter the job number
17:27:56 <jralls> I'm not really interested in OnTime's problems.
17:28:12 <Shact> YOu asked why I wanted to use Gnucash
17:28:42 <Shact> You can't ask and then say "I'm not interested in the answer"
17:28:51 <jralls> No, I asked what you're trying to manage. I accept your statement that OnTime isn't working for you on it's face.
17:29:37 <Shact> OK, well I'm gonna get someone to modify Gnucash. I'm sure they'd rather do that than build a whole new system from the groud up
17:30:11 <Shact> I'll ask them to do a Github fork, or whatever it's called
17:31:28 <jralls> Hah! You'll spend less money having them find an appropriate tool for you. It will take months of full-time work just to understand enough to know what to modify and how to test it.
17:32:05 <Shact> Oh really? Maybe I'll just set an open task "solve this problem in some way so that we have a system"
17:32:25 <jralls> Much more likely to succeed.
17:33:56 <Shact> OK cheers. Is there any software you reccomend which you think works well with gnucash? Our ERP system is terrible too (Sage 200), and so is our CRM system (Microsoft). Basically all small business tools are terrible
17:35:37 <jralls> No, unfortunately I don't. GnuCash is something of an island because of its umm, unusual implementation. There are a couple of open-source ERP programs, but I've never used them.
17:37:35 <Shact> Ok thanks jralls. I'm a big fan of Gnucash myself :) I've used it for 8 years now for my personal accounts.
17:39:03 <jralls> It's well suited to personal accounts and sole-proprietorship type businesses. But it lacks a lot of necessary features and doesn't scale well for most business uses.
17:40:35 <Shact> Thanks for your time. Remember to fix that commodity libility account restriction ;)
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20:35:07 <warlord> @op
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