2014-09-26 GnuCash IRC logs
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04:11:43 <Jonas> Hi, anyone there?
04:16:27 <Jonas> I'm wondering how I would account it if I get back something that I paid before. Is it ok to simply increase assets (bank account) and reduce corresponding expenses? Because somehow it feels like it should appear as "income" as well.
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05:23:43 <mr_wibble> :)
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08:17:41 <AndreeeCZ> hello people, is there any fancy tool to easily find out info about your hardware? with gui is best (for my mother).
08:17:50 <AndreeeCZ> like what type of ram, cpu..
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08:31:12 <lmat> @op
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08:32:47 <lmat> in kvp_frame.cpp, kvp_value_get_numeric(KvpValue*) returns gnc_numeric_zero() if the passed KvpValue is null.
08:33:15 <lmat> I was seeing what would happen if I returned {} instead, and noticed that some code depends on this behaviour.
08:34:05 <lmat> My first thought was that calling kvp_value_get_numeric with a null kvp_value ought to be an invalid operation. I understand we would rather not segfault, so returning {} returns an invalid gnc_numeric (0/0).
08:35:58 <lmat> The test that depends on zero being returned is engine test-transaction-void.
08:36:39 <lmat> it voids the transaction, checks some things, then unvoids it. After unvoiding, it checks to make sure that the "void former value" is zero when in fact, it's undefined (it got deleted).
08:37:26 <lmat> I'm thinking that returning {} for a null kvp_value should be fine, but perhaps xaccTransUnvoid (or really xaccSplitUnvoid) should be written to explicitly store 0 as its 'void former value'. What think ye?
08:38:50 <lmat> this test passed because of the saving grace of an undefined kvp_value as a gnc_numeric is 0.
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08:49:56 <lmat> Oh yeah, it's Split.c:2180 or so that has kvp_frame_set_slot(frame, void_forme_amt_str, NULL);.
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10:15:44 <fell> lmat, can you improve the following: This means, you got some confirmation, the institution accepted the order, e.g. the restaurants recipe, where you paid with your credit card.
10:16:12 <lmat> fell: Sorry, I'm not sure what's trying to be said :)
10:16:47 <fell> about reconcilation state cleared.
10:17:07 <lmat> ahh
10:17:59 <lmat> fell: perhaps "A split marked cleared signifies that you got some kind of confirmation that the institution accepted the order (e.g. you have the restaurant's receipt for your credit card purchase)." ?
10:18:33 <fell> Nice!
10:18:36 <lmat> fell: Thanks for working on the docs! They're quite good, but will greatly benefit from more attention! ^_^
10:20:55 <fell> Reviewing Mechtildes german transation I find some places which could be improved.
10:22:19 <fell> In german "cleared" could also mean "deleted".
10:27:39 <lmat> fell: ahh, that's an important distinction!
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10:31:44 <warlord> AndreeeCZ: I'm not sure how that question is relevant to GnuCash..
10:32:08 <AndreeeCZ> warlord, oh im sorry, wrong chan :)
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10:33:06 <warlord> lmat: there are probably a number of places that assume NULL == 0.. And the scheme bindings changed over time so there is probably a lot of scheme code that depends on existing behavior. Alas, there are no compile-time checks for that, so you would need a 100% scheme-level code coverage test to detect those kinds of errors.
10:34:09 <warlord> fell: it can mean that in English, too.. e.g., "clearing a bit"
10:34:14 <lmat> warlord: that is to say that NULL == 0/1 ?
10:34:56 <warlord> lmat: well, it assumes that #f == NULL, which gets translated to "empty object" depending on the underlying object (e.g. "" for a string, {0/1} for a numeric, etc.
10:35:36 <lmat> warlord: Ahh, unfortunately, an empty (default, {}) gnc_numeric is 0/0 ...
10:35:40 <lmat> hence the difficulty :)
10:35:44 <warlord> also, you want to test to show the same result for pre-void and post-unvoid
10:36:27 <warlord> perhaps technically, but an "initialized", "empty" gnc_numeric is {0/1}
10:36:44 <lmat> warlord: More importantly, I would think it's not legal to ask what the gnc_numeric inside a null KvpValue is.
10:36:47 <lmat> warlord: yup :)
10:37:05 <warlord> lots of gnucash code expects that
10:37:21 <warlord> (that a NULL value is == to an "initialized empty" object)
10:37:30 <lmat> warlord: oh my
10:37:35 <warlord> Just like a NULL string is not the same as ""
10:37:47 <warlord> {} is not the same and {0/1}
10:38:10 <lmat> s/and/as/ (?) yup
10:39:14 <warlord> t
10:39:45 <warlord> Lots of places assume that a "NULL Kvp" is an empty object, not "NULL"
10:39:56 <warlord> (at least for a few well-known objects)
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11:42:08 <lmat> warlord: I think I won't try to die on this hill and rather go with returning 0/1 (or whatever gnc_numeric_zero() returns) for the null KvpValue
11:42:10 * lmat cringes
11:43:04 <warlord> lmat: thata boy
11:43:05 <warlord> :)
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17:03:19 <warlord> jralls: ping?
17:06:08 <warlord> never mind.
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19:19:02 <lwells> Does Quicken get involved with transaction downloads?
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19:19:45 <lwells> I am using the aqofxconnect
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19:20:56 <lwells> Reason I asked, was I was using Quicken and they were charging me a fee each month
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19:21:35 <lwells> I cancelled that service to save money, but now wondering if gnucash will still be able to download transactions
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19:28:14 <fell> lwells: I don't know, but perhaps you can find the answer in http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Aqbanking and related pages.
19:30:16 <lwells> fell: Well it does not talk about Quicken. I will just have to see if cancelling the quicken fee affects my gnucash setup
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19:32:01 <fell> lwells: or ask at gnucash-user?
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19:32:42 <lwells> irc channel?
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19:33:46 <lwells> Got it, mailing list
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20:41:46 <fell> http://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/ is based on master? Then I should merge at least daily to check the result there?
20:50:02 <fell> Any ideas, why other formats than html were not updated the last time? Did I break something?
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21:33:08 <lmat_> I'm seeing gnc-kvp-frame-delete-at-path...is this wrapping a C function?
21:42:17 <lmat_> lmat: get out of here...
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21:44:06 <lmat> @op
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21:44:08 <lmat> night!
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21:52:25 <warlord> fell: yes, doxygen is based on master..
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23:14:27 <fell> warlord: Not doxygen, but the nightly gnucash-docs.
23:21:16 <fell> OK, my previous merge was on 2014-09-08. so there was no need for regeneration.