2014-09-21 GnuCash IRC logs
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08:31:00 <MechtiIde> Is there an easy way for testing to convert xml to pdf?
08:31:19 <MechtiIde> I want to write new the HBCI section
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11:10:56 <warlord> MechtiIde: you mean in gnucash-docs? Sure, "make pdf"
11:11:13 <MechtiIde> yes
11:11:26 <MechtiIde> only "make pdf
11:11:28 <MechtiIde> ?
11:11:41 <MechtiIde> and how can I spezify the file name?
11:12:01 <warlord> what do you mean? the file name is "guile" or "help" depending on the directory.
11:12:05 <warlord> er, guide
11:12:38 <MechtiIde> not the *.xml file?
11:12:47 <warlord> no
11:12:58 <warlord> it builds the full guide or help docs
11:13:20 <warlord> It doesn't just work on a single chapter
11:14:02 <MechtiIde> but gnucash-help.xml is an old file
11:14:14 <MechtiIde> not containing the latest canges
11:14:29 <MechtiIde> changes
11:14:30 <warlord> Why doesn't t contain the latest changes?
11:15:04 <MechtiIde> I only edit e.g Help_ch_Tools_Assistants.xml
11:15:51 <warlord> Is that a new file? Or did it already exist
11:15:51 <warlord> ?
11:16:17 <MechtiIde> it already exists in English but not in German. There it is new
11:16:21 <warlord> (Have you *TRIED* "make pdf" and it didn't work? Or are you just arguing with me for no particular reason?)
11:16:33 <warlord> AHH.. You need to include that into the main doc.
11:16:58 <warlord> (but no, I don't know how you do that -- just follow the recipe from other chapters)
11:22:15 <MechtiIde> "make: *** No rule to make target 'pdf'. Quit." I get
11:22:29 <warlord> did you run configure?
11:22:43 <warlord> (and autogen, before that?)
11:22:45 <MechtiIde> So I need first to compile?
11:23:08 <warlord> Yes, you need to "compile" the gnucash-docs package
11:23:45 <MechtiIde> And I ask whether there is a way to do it easier
11:24:10 <MechtiIde> only for the edited file
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12:12:51 <warlord> no, there is not
12:12:54 <warlord> (as far as I know)
12:15:49 <fell> Mechtilde, warum arbeitest du jetzt an Help? Gude hat viel mehr Nutzen für neue Benutzer.
12:16:21 <MechtiIde> weil HBCI nunmal in Help war
12:16:26 <MechtiIde> s/war/ist
12:18:25 <MechtiIde> should I put this chapter to guide?
12:20:12 <MechtiIde> Should it be chapter 19 or F or ...?
12:24:48 <fell> line17: <!ENTITY chToolsAssistants SYSTEM "Help_ch_Tools_Assistants.xml">
12:25:44 <MechtiIde> where?
12:26:00 <MechtiIde> I don't unterstand what you mean
12:26:06 <fell> in gnucash-help.xml
12:26:17 <MechtiIde> yes
12:26:34 <fell> so it is defined.
12:27:08 <MechtiIde> to compile it
12:27:10 <MechtiIde> ?
12:27:38 <MechtiIde> or why I#m working on Help?
12:28:21 <fell> Now add "&chToolsAssistants;" to line 346 to "call it"
12:32:12 <MechtiIde> line 346 at gnucash-help.xml?
12:33:08 <fell> If I am feelig well again, I put the appendix in a separate file. Then we will only have the definitions, bookinfo and the structure in gnucash-help.xml
12:33:26 <fell> yes
12:34:08 <MechtiIde> I think at this time it is too complicate for me to compile the doc as a whole
12:34:20 <MechtiIde> I ask to do it at one single file
12:35:33 <MechtiIde> line 346 is in the mipple of the description of "Tip of the day"
12:36:49 <fell> strange, then we have different versions.
12:37:37 <MechtiIde> I will have a look
12:37:40 <fell> "Tip of the day" is part of appendix. put it above of that chapter
12:38:16 <fell> below of "geting started"
12:38:43 <fell> &chGettingStarted;
12:39:36 <MechtiIde> ok I see
12:39:47 <MechtiIde> I looked into an older version
12:39:53 <warlord> MechtiIde: are you working from gnucash-docs master?
12:40:09 <MechtiIde> no no
12:40:32 <MechtiIde> I didn't worked at gnucash-help.xml directly
12:40:47 <MechtiIde> so I didn't update it in my working space
12:40:53 <warlord> well, that's your first issue. You need to checkout gnucash-docs and work within that workspace.
12:44:58 <fell> warlord at least on docs we usually work on maint and merge it later in master.
12:46:24 <warlord> fell: okay..
12:46:38 <warlord> But MechtiIde still needs to work within the gnucash-docs working copy
12:47:42 <MechtiIde> I have to open a branch for my new text
12:50:56 <fell> Yes, create a workin branch based on maint, which then later can be pulled.
12:52:55 <MechtiIde> yes that I will do
12:54:11 <MechtiIde> schould I put it to guide or should I work at help to describe how HBCI work
12:54:27 <fell> Better links than the english are perhaps: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/HBCI and http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/Onlinebanking-Einrichtungsassistent
12:55:10 <warlord> MechtiIde: it depends whether you are writing 'help' text or 'guide' text. They serve different purposes.
12:55:16 <fell> If you like, you can download the images and add them to figures.
12:55:33 <warlord> The guide is more about how you would use gnucash to perform different tasks. The help is more about "what does this button/feature do"
12:56:30 <fell> Einrichtungsassistent is atypical guide section
12:57:04 <warlord> fell: "atypical"? or "a typical"?
12:57:15 <fell> a typical
12:57:24 <fell> sorry
12:57:27 <MechtiIde> where should I input it into guide
12:57:30 <warlord> ("atypical" means "not typical"...)
12:57:59 <MechtiIde> in the Appendix as E or F?
12:58:15 <warlord> MechtiIde: I dont think it matters -- where does it make most sense?
12:58:54 <MechtiIde> as fell said. it is more for the guide
12:59:45 <warlord> Yes, but I dont know whether it makes more sense in E or F
12:59:57 <MechtiIde> as I understood the Appendix of the gueideis mor for the technical part
13:00:23 <MechtiIde> before or after the license
13:01:04 <fell> Surely before the license stuff
13:02:00 <fell> The chapter before the business part - that begins with deprecation.
13:05:33 <fell> An appendix would be a list with settings like http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/OFX#Table_of_bank_specific_parameters
13:06:44 <MechtiIde> so as a new chapter 11 (English)
13:08:03 <fell> A start for an english chapter could be http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/HBCI
13:10:29 <fell> English readers are more intersted on the ofx part, german on FinTS(former HBCI)
13:18:30 <MechtiIde> I read it also at Setting up OFXDirectConnect in GnuCash 2
13:19:09 <MechtiIde> I will see what I can do the next days or weeks
13:21:45 <fell> http://www.aquamaniac.de might have additional, more recent infos.
13:22:43 <fell> Somewhere there should be an official aqbanking manual.
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13:36:55 <gjanssens> warlord: did you see Carsten Rinke's request for permission to upload images to the gnucash wiki ?
13:37:26 <warlord> Yes; what is his Wiki username?
13:46:03 <fell> Casimono
13:46:35 <fell> , warlord
13:50:29 <warlord> fell: thanks.
13:50:55 <fell> :-)
13:51:14 <warlord> Done
14:01:13 <fell> @tell Mechtilde It seems, recent versions of the aqbanking manual are part of the respective aqbanking packet. I found it on my system as /usr/share/aqbanking/aqbanking-handbook.pdf
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14:15:17 <gjanssens> warlord: tx. Did you inform Carsten as well ?
14:17:28 <warlord> no
14:20:06 <gjanssens> Ok, I'll do it
14:21:15 <gjanssens> Done
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15:04:58 <warlord> 0thanks
15:13:52 <gjanssens> you're welcome
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17:32:15 <jralls> gjanssens: Re #737089, did you ask on #guile about MinGW and Guile2.0? Did you try compiling git stable-2.0 on MinGW on the off chance that the MinGW issues have been fixed already?
17:32:59 <gjanssens> jralls: yes I did
17:33:20 <gjanssens> They told me not all patches are included yet
17:34:07 <jralls> Sigh. Is anyone working on it?
17:34:21 <gjanssens> I also spoke with the author of the mingw patches (Eli Zaretskii) and he said the same thing
17:34:37 <gjanssens> Apparently the patches are in the queue and are processed bit by bit
17:34:59 <gjanssens> The guile devs indicated to have too much to do...
17:35:30 <gjanssens> Besided the patches to guile, Eli pointed out that libunistring needs patching as well
17:35:44 <gjanssens> That's a library that is shipped with mingw itself
17:36:11 <gjanssens> But mingw won't patch it. They expect upstream to do so, if ever.
17:36:38 <gjanssens> So for now I won't hold my breath on guile 2 for Windows
17:36:56 <jralls> A better solution would be for Guile to use native Win32 unicode calls.
17:37:00 <gjanssens> My conversation with Eli is in bugg #737089
17:37:38 <jralls> What about the ezwinports build? Will that not work for us?
17:37:52 <gjanssens> ez = Eli Zaretskii
17:38:01 <gjanssens> So probably yes
17:38:49 <gjanssens> He's the one providing all his patches to guile, and who has a patched version of libunistring in ezwinports
17:39:33 <gjanssens> It's time to go to bed here.
17:39:36 <gjanssens> See you later
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