2014-09-09 GnuCash IRC logs
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05:04:42 <tom_> What is the correct way to add a new category (in the hierarchy). I have a set of accounts and categories (imported from Financisto Android).
05:04:55 <tom_> I don't have a "Utilities" category.
05:05:29 <tom_> I want to Add 1. Utilities: 1.a. gas (cooking), 1.b. electricity, 1.c. telephone.
05:05:56 <tom_> I have multiple currencies. How do I handle the currencies in the hierarchy dialogue box?
05:11:19 <gjanssens> tom_: gnucash doesn't speak of "catagories', but 'accounts'
05:11:37 <gjanssens> You can add accounts using the "New Account" button or menu item
05:12:10 <gjanssens> The window that pops up will let you configure the new account, including which currency it should have
05:15:59 <tom_> Calling "categories" and "bank accounts" both "accounts" is confusing. I'm thinking of having all bank account names begin with an underscore "_" so at least they all appear together (not mixed with spending categories). What do you think of that idea?
05:26:37 <gjanssens> tom_: you are using an "accounting" program :) It follows that all your finances are managed in "accounts"
05:27:19 <gjanssens> How would you confuse a "bank account" with another one if you have a clean account structure set up?
05:27:49 <gjanssens> A "Bank Account" is part of your "Assets", where your "Utilites" would fall under "Expenses"
05:28:09 <gjanssens> It's called a "hierarchy" just for that reason
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08:31:00 <fell> gjanssens: I believe Wybo was asking about rename his accounts e.g. from "Expenses" to "Uitgaven".
08:33:01 <fell> But probably you should ask him about his locale settings, too.
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09:14:17 <warlord> tom: that's what the account hierarchies are for... Assets go under a top-level account Assets, Expenses under a top-level account Expenses. It sounds like you don't have a hierarchy but instead have everything at the top level
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09:15:09 <warlord> Why is code pushing out 1-2mbps?
09:20:22 <warlord> tom: if you haven't spent too much time yet, you might consider starting over.. File -> New File and then choose a hierarchy, and then when you import your QIF you can map all those QIF Accounts and QIF Categories into your existing GnuCash Hierarchy
09:28:13 <gjanssens> fell: From Wybo's mail I gather he has found how to set his locale. But I've given a hint to this aspect in my reply.
09:29:54 <gjanssens> Anyone have an idea why C/acctchrt_full.gnucash-xea does not get installed ?
09:30:08 <gjanssens> It gets distributed, but not installed. Is that intentionally ?
09:30:17 * fell is reading the new, before off list messages.
09:32:24 <warlord> gjanssens: it doesn't get installed because it is listed in EXTRA_DIST, not account_DATA
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09:36:09 <fell> Wybo could add the dutch template and then by deleting the english account move the txns to the dutch accounts.
09:37:04 <gjanssens> warlord: that's the technical explanation
09:37:21 <gjanssens> I was wondering if this was done on purpose or not. If not, it should be fixed.
09:38:13 <fell> If you add all common modules, you will get it.
09:39:10 <warlord> gjanssens: I dont know why -- my guess is that it's just there in case someone wanted to generate alternate sets.
09:39:28 <warlord> ... and as fell says, you effectively get it if you add all the existing pieces.
09:39:29 <fell> I assume, It was the starting point to get unique GUIDs and the was split in modules.
09:40:00 <gjanssens> Those explanations make sense
09:40:27 <fell> So perhaps we should move it in the other languages, too.
09:41:12 <gjanssens> I don't think so. There are several languages that don't have a the set of sub accounts that make up the full account chart
09:41:19 <fell> ... and add a comment for translators.
09:41:31 <gjanssens> Some only have the full chart of accounts and maybe one or two extras
09:41:46 <fell> Only, where it is modularized.
09:42:36 <fell> like de-DE
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09:43:55 <gjanssens> That may make sense indeed.
09:45:04 <fell> I will create a RFE to collect the aspects.
09:45:14 <gjanssens> warlord: it seems the stress on code is hindering the mailing list traffic as well
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09:50:00 <warlord> It's not stressed... Load is only 1.25
09:50:09 <warlord> And my network can handle 8mbps ...
09:51:01 <warlord> Okay, load is more ike 2.3
09:51:53 <warlord> It's a bunch of bots. bingbot and IstellaBot are both probing
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10:05:12 <lmat> Is cmake only a viable compilation method using cutecash, or can it be used with the "standard" gnucash distribution?
10:08:07 <warlord> lmat: it's only for cutecash
10:08:27 <fell> BTW, warlord, last night gncbot had some outages - irc.eagle OPed us a few times.
10:09:00 <warlord> fell: I think that was a net split...
10:09:16 <fell> Possible.
10:09:36 <warlord> I see two net splits, one around 1am and another around 2am (US/EDT)
10:10:43 <fell> it started here http://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2014/09/2014-09-08.html#T21:08:57
10:12:25 <warlord> Yeah, a split
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10:49:04 <fell> Bug 736335 - Don't install $LANG/acctchrt_full.gnucash-xea, if full modularized.
10:53:17 <lmat> warlord: thanks!
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11:04:48 <gjanssens> thanks fell
11:05:21 <fell> :-)
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11:15:15 <mikee> @op
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11:59:52 <yl> Will welcome some help here...
11:59:52 <yl> I have been using Gnucash 2.4.something on Debian for some time, with my data in a database on MySQL 5.5
11:59:52 <yl> My new computer dual boots: Windows 8.1 and Ubuntu 14.04.1
11:59:52 <yl> Gnucash 2.6.3 (I think) on Windows loads my MySQL database and seems to work fine.
11:59:52 <yl> Gnucash 2.6.1 in the Ubuntu repos segfaults when loading the MySQL database. I found that if I opened the database in Windows and saved as XML, I can open that XML file OK in Gnucash 2.6.1 in Ubuntu. I have also tried 2.6.3 from the GetDeb repo, but that one won't open the MySQL data either (it opens the file).
11:59:55 <yl> I have run the program even with --debug.
11:59:57 <yl> Where it seems to fail (after loading commodities and accounts and recomputing balances) is as follows:
11:59:59 <yl> * 18:46:17 CRIT <GLib> g_date_time_get_ymd: assertion 'datetime != NULL' failed
12:00:01 <yl> * 18:46:17 CRIT <GLib> g_date_new_dmy: assertion 'g_date_valid_dmy (day, m, y)' failed
12:00:03 <yl> * 18:46:17 CRIT <GLib> g_date_time_unref: assertion 'datetime != NULL' failed
12:00:05 <yl> I see this in the trace file even without --debug
12:00:07 <yl> I'll note that there are lines here and there in the trace which say
12:00:09 <yl> INFO <gnc.translog> [xaccTransWriteLog] Attempt to write disabled transaction log
12:00:11 <yl> but I assume that these aren't the reason for the failure as it doesn't stop there and they're only INFO
12:00:13 <yl> Any ideas?
12:00:15 <yl> Important to note: A difference between the old and new Linux systems is that the old one was set up with the en_US locale (UTF-8 I believe) and the new one is en_GB, but I tried running GnuCash with LANG=en_US LANGUAGE=en_US LANG_ALL=en_US and that didn't make any difference
12:00:19 <yl> Any help (especially help which solves the problem :)) will be much appreciated
12:02:14 <warlord> yl: sorry, I dont use the SQL backends. If you dont get any answers here you could try emailing the gnucash-user mailing list.
12:02:48 <warlord> BUt I know you definitely should NOT use 2.6.1 with SQL
12:03:22 <warlord> Are you sure you have the mysql dbd driver installed on Ubuntu?
12:04:06 <warlord> But the g_date error does seem to imply that there might be a date format issue.. I'm kind of surprised by that -- the data should be normalized
12:04:22 <fell> Perhaps you should compare the locale settings inside your DBM?
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12:30:16 <yl> libdbd-mysql is installed, as it was on old computer
12:30:38 <yl> by DBM you mean the MySQL server? it's the same server...
12:30:42 <yl> nothing changed there
12:31:18 <yl> I missed that originally but then installed it
12:31:51 <jralls> yl: libdbd-mysql pulled in the mysql client, right?
12:33:16 <jralls> yl: So some basic questions: Are you able to log in to the MySql DB? Do you get any error dialogs, or just an empty accounts page?
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12:44:31 <yl> jralls: by "log in to the MySql DB" do you mean "start GnuCash showing data from the MySql DB"? If so, no, it segfaults before getting to that stage
12:46:47 <yl> Ah... I notice that in the trace I also have a message "Unable to initialize Python module (unable to open /usr/share/gnucash/python/init.py"
12:47:01 <yl> There is no init.py in that directory, only another directory pycons
12:47:13 <jralls> Ah, a segfault. In that case run `gdb gnucash` and get a stack trace. But I meant does GnuCash authenticate into MySQL successfully?
12:47:50 <yl> Considering that the --debug trace shows a list of my accounts and commodities I think we can conclude that it does
12:47:51 <jralls> yl: You see that with 2.6.3?
12:47:57 <yl> yes
12:49:12 <yl> trying the gdb gnucash but I have to go now for an hour or so
12:49:38 <yl> gdb just shows me a (gdb) prompt... not sure what to do
12:49:54 <jralls> yl: So there's something in your data that trips up the SQL loader but not XML. Interesting. Please open a bug and attach the stack trace at your convenience.
12:50:06 <yl> OK thanks
12:50:30 <jralls> yl: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stack_Trace
12:50:48 <yl> Fair to assume that that something is related to date handling given the CRIT log?
12:51:08 <yl> Thanks for the guidance
12:51:29 <jralls> yl: Executive summary: Tell gdb `r`, that will start GC. When GC crashes, type `bt` and paste the result into the bug report.
12:52:54 <jralls> yl: CRIT: Not necessarily. Those messages are part of GLib's invariant checking. As long as the calling code checks the return value before trying to dereference it it should result in an empty data field, not a segfault.
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13:41:11 <david> hello. i'm a new gnucash user and i have a (simple?) question......
13:42:12 <david> i'm keeping the books for my volleyball club...one person in the club collected membership fees from several people and made a bank transfer from his account to the club's account.
13:43:00 <david> in my old finance program, i split the transaction and attributed each person who had paid...... can't figure out how to do it here.....
13:43:06 <david> any ideas, suggestions?
13:44:10 <warlord> david: same way -- split the payment into the various people's accounts...
13:44:40 <warlord> (assuming each person has an Income account, e.g. Income:<Member>)
13:44:53 <david> i'm still not up to speed with accounts vs. categories.
13:45:30 <david> in iBank (Mac), i had categories Membership Fees 2008-2009, Membership Fees 2009-2010, etc. and had the names of the players in the memos.
13:46:23 <david> Here, I normally list the player in the Description and use the category Income:Membership Fees 2008-2009.
13:46:30 <david> Is this not the best way?
13:47:25 <david> Later, I'd like to be able to make reports of how much was collected in membership fees for 2013-2014 or show me all membership payments by David\
13:49:15 <david> And I'd like to avoid having to make a structure like Income:Fees 2008:Players A..Z, Income:Fees 2009:Players A..Z, etc. That seems somehow wrong....having to create accounts for each player for every season.....
13:50:36 <david> Would a picture or two be useful?
13:50:47 <david> Oops, i have to go to volleyball now, but I'll be back.....
13:51:05 <david> are there other resources (forums, etc?) to learn about gnucash?
13:53:08 <fell> david: no need to create yearly income accunts. You can filter in the reports.
13:54:24 <fell> wiki.gnucash.org is a good place, www,gnucash.org another.
13:55:29 <fell> wiki.../wiki
13:56:26 <david> i'll try creating accounts based on players, but i created the yearly accounts because it was just cleaner than having to create filter from august of one year to july of the next. it's not full years and it's not jan-dec.
13:56:35 <david> thanks. i'll be back.
14:00:31 <fell> david: Edit->Preferences->Accounting Period. :-)
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14:26:45 <lmat> gncbot: message
14:26:45 <gncbot> lmat: Error: "message" is not a valid command.
14:26:51 <lmat> gncbot: msg
14:26:51 <gncbot> lmat: Error: "msg" is not a valid command.
14:27:19 <lmat> gncbot: leavemessage
14:27:25 <lmat> @op
14:27:48 <lmat> :-( Anyway, I would like to leave a message for david to tell him to read the gnucash user manuel.
14:27:52 <lmat> doh... manual
14:34:38 <warlord> lmat: that would be @tell
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14:59:53 <yl> jralls: The stack trace pointed me to xaccSchedXactionSetLastOccurDate. Actually I had seen this in an Ubuntu message after one of the crashes. I'll submit a bug, but I can tell you now, here, that I poked around in the database on the basis of that finding and I discovered that last_occur for one of my scheduled transactions was 0000-00-00. Once I changed it to a sensible date Gnucash would load.
15:02:15 <jralls> yl: Thanks. That should be easy to fix.
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15:13:25 <lmat> warlord: thanks. I should have a message for him now :)
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15:22:31 <warlord> Hmm... Had that SX ever fired?
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15:42:31 <yl> warlord: I saw three transactions with an appropriate description but don't know whether they are based on that SX or whether I did them manually and created the SX after that and never used it
15:42:38 <yl> Quite possibly the latter
15:43:12 <warlord> Not that that's a valid excuse for crashing.
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16:43:53 <yl> jralls: I added this bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736359
16:44:24 <jralls> yl: Thanks. I'll make sure it's fixed for 2.6.4.
16:44:47 <yl> I explained there that (apparently) the same version of GnuCash on the older computer doesn't do the same thing so the different version of libdbd-mysql is likely to be part of the issue
16:45:26 <jralls> Ah! That might actually be a dupe of an already-fixed problem, though I don't remember this particular manifestation.
16:45:41 <yl> Thank you very much for the guidance!
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17:02:35 <lmat_> david: howdy?
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