2014-07-17 GnuCash IRC logs
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07:24:20 <jmd`> I wish gnucash didn't have so many dependencies!
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14:58:53 <jmd> Is there any chance that some future version of gnucash will have less dependencies?
14:59:39 <jmd> Right now I can't install Ruby, which means I can't install Webkit which means I can't install Gnucash. It's a nightmare!
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15:27:43 <warlord> jmd: Ummmm... no. Try just pulling down your distribution's prebuilt version
15:28:27 <jmd> warlord: It doesn't have one.
15:28:36 <warlord> Then maybe you should use a better distro?
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15:34:36 <jmd> It's the best available.
15:35:21 <warlord> Clearly not if it doesn't include GnuCash.
15:35:54 <warlord> Perhaps you should try a major distro, like Red Hat, Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, SuSE, or Gentoo?
15:36:10 <warlord> All of these have GnuCash available for you.
15:36:29 <jmd> Best they are all defective in some way or another.
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15:38:13 <warlord> True...
15:38:48 <warlord> But it's a bit disingenuous to complain here when your distro makes it hard for you to install software that pretty much every other distro provides to their users.
15:39:36 <jmd> Where do you suggest I complain?
15:40:56 <warlord> To your distribution
15:42:00 <jmd> They would tell me to complain here.
15:42:31 <warlord> Tell them to package it
15:42:41 <warlord> Why can't you install Ruby? Web Kit?
15:42:49 <warlord> Why do you even need to compile it yourself?
15:43:01 <warlord> This is their job, not yours.
15:43:17 <warlord> You could choose to use gtkhtml instead of webkit
15:43:25 <warlord> (although then you lose CSS support)
15:43:32 <jmd> Oh can I?
15:43:35 <warlord> ... unless gnucash removed gtkhtml support in 2.6
15:44:18 <warlord> Ah, looks like it was removed in 2.6
15:44:25 <jmd> Bummer.
15:44:49 <warlord> What silly distro do you use that doesn't provide webkit or a working ruby?
15:44:57 <jmd> GNU
15:45:32 <jmd> It doesn't provide a working Ruby, because Ruby doesn't work.
15:45:58 <warlord> "GNU"?
15:46:12 <warlord> Never heard of a "GNU" Linux distribution
15:46:14 <jmd> The distro has a high emphasis on robustness. If anything fails, it'll refuse to install.
15:46:29 <warlord> That does not sound like a good desktop solution to me
15:46:54 <jmd> There's more to an OS than the desktop.
15:47:30 <jmd> Anyway isn't webkit a bit of an overkill?
15:48:14 <warlord> What other HTML/Javascript/CSS engines are there that you would suggest?
15:48:35 <warlord> (that work on Linux, Mac, and Windows)
15:49:21 <jmd> I don't understand why a bookkeeping program needs to have a HTML engine. Neither do I understand why, for a Gnu program Windows or Mac are important.
15:50:55 <warlord> Reports
15:51:21 <warlord> As for Windows and Mac.... Why are you being OS-racist?
15:51:25 <jmd> But why HTML. That is for websites.
15:52:08 <warlord> No, HTML is pretty much the de-facto presentation layer. Do you have an iOS or Android phone? They use HTML for their display. Do you use a graphical mail app? Again, HTML.
15:52:41 <jmd> Do you seriously believe anyone will use Gnucash on a phone?
15:53:54 <warlord> Huh?
15:54:09 <warlord> (Actually, there *IS* a "GnuCash for Android" app)
15:54:35 <jmd> As for your comments about portability - it is official GNU policy. Call that OS racism if you will.
15:54:36 <warlord> ... although it's a completely separate project, and beside the point that HTML is the current de-facto presentation layer
15:55:02 <jmd> lol.
15:58:01 <warlord> We are not a "GNU" (as in gnu.org) project
15:59:58 <jmd> Err yes you are!
16:00:15 <jmd> See http://www.gnu.org/software
16:00:18 <warlord> No, we're not. Yes, we use the GPL as a license, but we're not racist about who uses our code.
16:00:37 <warlord> They can list us if they want.
16:00:42 <warlord> We don't associate with them
16:01:00 <warlord> If more people use GnuCash, great.
16:01:09 <jmd> Gnucash is listed in the official list. The maintainer is a certain Linas Vepstas <linas@linas.org>
16:01:46 <warlord> yeah, well, he hasn't been the "maintainer" for a decade. He runs www.gnucash.org and the DNS domain, and he does appear here shortly. I don't think he has current write access to git.
16:01:52 <jmd> And the presumably FSF has papers where he agrees to those policies.
16:02:00 <warlord> (and by "runs www" I mean he owns the server)
16:02:06 <warlord> No, I'm pretty sure they don't
16:02:09 <jmd> Gnucash also uses the Trademark of GNU
16:03:16 <warlord> Anyways, I have real work to do, jmd -- if you have a real gnucash question feel free to ask it. If instead you want to wank about distributions and how yours is so much better, have fun.
16:05:37 <jmd> with an attitude like that, soon nobody will be using it.
16:06:13 <warlord> Actually, the number of users keeps increasing... Thank you very much.
16:11:03 <warlord> and indeed, the fact that we support Mac and Windows users has also increased our user base. But thank you for your concern
16:11:22 <jmd> Is that really important to you?
16:11:54 <warlord> Your concern? Nope, not at all.
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16:37:31 <warlord> fell, mikee: was I too rude?
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16:59:36 * warlord will be back
17:05:30 <fell> Warlord: Instead of "racist" I would have used "dogmatic" or "orthodox". The rest is the collision of 2 people with their dfferent form of stress.
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17:53:55 <warlord> :)
17:53:57 <warlord> Fair enough
17:58:52 <jethrogb> um, if you can't install ruby on your system that's really not anyone else's fault
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18:00:11 <warlord> And certainly not *ours*
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18:18:55 * Simon wonders what they're doing wrong - I don't have ruby installed
18:28:02 <jethrogb> yeah I don't know why webkit would depend on ruby
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