2014-07-03 GnuCash IRC logs
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09:21:05 <David417> Hello. I will be transferring some stock-in-kind from a 401(k) to a brokerage account soon and I wonder if there is a straight-forward way to document it in GnuCash? Can I somehow use the stock-split assistant to generate cashless stock transfers?
09:23:26 <David417> Since the object is to use the NUA Stock basis to advantage, I need to track the capital gain correctly
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09:35:02 <jralls> warlord, mikee: gncbot's lost op again. Would one of you op it?
09:35:45 <David417> or do I need to go through simulated sell-and-buy sequences as I documented last February in http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/Transfer-shares-between-accounts-td4659989.html?
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09:45:34 <warlord> @op jralls
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09:45:44 <warlord> jralls: No clue why that keeps happening.. :(
09:46:42 <warlord> David417: you probably need to go through a simulated sell/buy.
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09:46:58 <warlord> but you don't necessarily need to record it as income, but you should ask your accountant. IANAA
09:46:59 <jralls> warlord: I noticed that I was popping in-and-out yesterday. I've only been on a few minutes now, but maybe the issue is with irc.gimp.org.
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09:50:41 <warlord> Could be. I'm not sure what's going on, but *I* seem to have been relatively stable.
09:50:43 <warlord> @op fell_
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09:52:21 <fell> Good Morning!
09:53:14 <jralls> @op gjanssens
09:53:14 <gncbot> jralls: Error: You don't have the #gnucash,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
09:54:06 <gjanssens> @op
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09:54:43 <jralls> @whoami
09:54:43 <gncbot> jralls: john
09:54:47 <David417> jralls: I noticed that when you were dropping out there was a timeout message. Perhaps it is some sort of network issue
09:54:53 <gjanssens> Thanks for poking me jralls ;)
09:55:47 <jralls> gjanssens: You're welcome. I wonder why gncbot didn't accept my opping you, though. Warlord had just opped me.
09:56:20 <jralls> David47: Like "Ping timeout: 600 seconds"?
09:56:27 <David417> yes
09:57:25 <fell> jralls: On the german mailing list is a Mac user wondering about "Could not read directory "/Users/john/Development/Gnucash-Build/Gnucash-2.6-Leopard/inst/share/ktoblzcheck": No such file or directory"
09:58:01 <fell> He has no directory John
09:58:47 <jralls> Fell: Dang, that means there's an rpath that didn't get reset by the bundle. It's not something I can fix until I get back to California.
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10:00:58 <fell> OK, I will forward you his mail as a reminder.
10:07:46 <jralls> fell: If he has Xcode installed he can run `install_name_tool -id @executable_path/../Resources/lib/libktoblzcheck.1.dylib /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib//libktoblzcheck.1.dylib`to fix it.
10:11:40 <fell> jralls: He is using GnuCash 2.6.3 (This copy was built from rev 4e4a032+ on 2014-03-30.) under Mac OS X 10.9.3. But you made a 2.6.3-1.dmg on the same day?
10:15:02 <jralls> fell: Gnucash-Intel-2.6.3-1.dmg means the first bundle for that release. When I fix the screwed up rpath in libktoblzcheck I'll package it as Gnucash-Intel-2.6.3-2.dmg.
10:15:45 <fell> OK
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10:49:33 <fell> gjanssens: Can you answer Corrie Zijlstra I linked her online-cursus-boekhouden-voor-ondernemers-met-gnucash in http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Documentation#nl ? I am very slow in dutch writing.
10:49:56 <gjanssens> fell: I did so yesterday
10:51:12 <gjanssens> I mentioned you added it to the documentation which Corrie was happy about
10:51:15 <fell> Oh, my list was not grouped by thread, sorry!
10:51:22 <gjanssens> np
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11:08:45 <jralls> gjanssens: Do you remember where was that Italian translation you were talking about yesterday? I don't see it in the dev list or on BZ.
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11:13:02 <john_B__> Hi. Would any experienced developer here have a few moments to talk about how gnucash code might be incorporated into a larger open source development project?
11:15:08 <warlord> john_B__: such as?
11:16:25 <john_B__> Thanks. My project is discussed at http://www.PrincipledSocietiesProject.org. The basic concept is a combination local currency system / financial system / social network / accounting system, plus more.
11:17:57 <john_B__> I am trying to draft a business plan, and it would help me greatly to speak with someone involved with gnucash. I am not a software developer myself.
11:20:15 <warlord> gnucash is GPLed open source. You are welcome to embrace and extend, modulo the fact that you must publish the source code of any changes you make
11:21:46 <john_B__> I understand that. My questions today revolve around estimating the final size of the code base, cost of development, incorporation of gnucash and/or other open source projects, etc.
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11:25:41 <warlord> john_B__: quick computation of gnucash source is about 684,000 lines
11:27:42 <john_B__> OK, good. I thought it was closer to 300,000. That helps. I know it is much to ask, but would you have time now or in the coming week for a quick phone conversation or email correspondence? I am seeking a bit of guidance as I try to develop cost estimates for a (nonprofit) business plan.
11:28:43 <warlord> john_B__: you can try asking on the gnucash-devel mailing list. I personally dont have time for that.
11:29:04 <john_B__> No problem. I appreciate the suggestion. Will do.
11:29:52 <warlord> I suspect however that the response you'll get is: "you're welcome to reship gnucash"
11:30:10 <warlord> i'm not sure what kind of integration you're looking for.
11:30:30 <john_B__> I understand. Everyone is busy, and I am not in the community.
11:31:49 <john_B__> Thanks again for the suggestion. I might post to the mailing list to see if I receive a response.
11:32:09 <warlord> Good luck.
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11:33:02 <gjanssens> jralls: I don't find an Italian translation, but from my mail (back)log there's a pt_BR translation by miguel@rozsas.eng.br waiting to be applied
11:33:50 <gjanssens> And a new chapter translation for the German documentation by Martin Mainka (last post 2014-06-11)
11:53:26 <jralls> gjanssens: No, you applied that already: 549ede116.
11:53:47 <jralls> That's the pt_BR one.
11:56:09 <gjanssens> Oh, I see. Someone created a bug report for it in addition to the list mail which I handled. I forgot to drop the mail at the same time.
11:56:16 <gjanssens> Thanks for doing the research
11:57:17 <gjanssens> The addition to the German docs still seems to be missing though.
12:01:10 <jralls> Is the German docs change OK? I can't really review it my self, but if you or Frank have looked at it I'll commit it.
12:01:38 <gjanssens> I haven't looked at it either. fell ?
12:05:47 <gjanssens> But anyway for translations and documentation I tend to be more flexible when committing patches.
12:06:32 <gjanssens> I assume the community will point out issues with the content (as I don't speak most of the languages GnuCash supports)
12:08:01 <gjanssens> As long as make check continues to succeed and there are no obvious issues like sudden loss of lots of translations I tend to consider the patches good.
12:09:48 <fell> On my todo list for the german translation were: https://github.com/Mechtilde/gnucash-docs/tree/trunk/guide/de and Martins patches
12:13:08 <jralls> fell: Did mechtilde file a bug on that branch? There's no pull request.
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12:15:21 <fell> She mailed in Jan on gnucash-de
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12:30:18 <jralls> Well, humph. Gnucash-docs master doesn't even pass make check at this point. I'll need to fix that first.
12:31:43 <jralls> Dinner time now. BIAB.
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12:44:34 <warlord> yeah, the docs have been having build issues.. Although the initial issue has been an issue with git pull failing. Let me check that by hand.
12:52:29 <warlord> gjanssens: can you check the email I just sent re gnucash docs?
12:56:59 <gjanssens> warlord: this may be a combination of the CRLF issue and the removal of packaging
12:57:12 <gjanssens> Give me a minute - I'll log in to find some more details
13:00:13 <warlord> gjanssens: could be..
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13:02:32 <gjanssens> warlord: in which directory did you run the git pull ?
13:02:51 <gjanssens> Everything under c:\gcdev seems clean
13:03:59 <warlord> /home/gnucash-docs/gnucash
13:04:11 <warlord> (this is on code, not the win32 build server)
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13:05:21 <gjanssens> Oh, right. Missed that
13:05:51 <gjanssens> So I can't log in myself obviously
13:06:43 <gjanssens> The solution is probably a "git reset --hard origin/master"
13:06:44 <warlord> Yeah. Is it safe to just rm -rf packaging/win32?
13:06:57 <gjanssens> The reset takes care of everything in one go
13:07:02 <gjanssens> (It should)
13:08:12 <warlord> Okay, that seems to have "worked"
13:09:00 <warlord> I'm running the script by hand.. Perhaps the script should do a "git fetch" and then that "git reset" instead of "git pull"?
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13:13:54 <gjanssens> That's probably a good idea. Pull induces a merge which usually is ok, unless there are forced pushes or CRLF issues.
13:14:23 <gjanssens> reset on the other hand forces the local clone to synch up again with upstream.
13:15:05 <gjanssens> The build failure on gnucash-docs is due to commit 6a5083c368c8b8306231c1aa6e333ceb4e359508
13:15:32 <gjanssens> Authored by Dmitri Pavlov, committed by jralls
13:16:05 <gjanssens> It violates the docbook dtd
13:16:43 <warlord> k
13:16:53 <warlord> Well, I'll go change the scripts, thenm
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13:27:32 <warlord> gjanssens: both sets of docs built.
13:27:36 <warlord> I'll go update the scripts.
13:27:59 <gjanssens> warlord: did you run make check as well ?
13:28:20 <gjanssens> jralls: The build failure on gnucash-docs is due to commit 6a5083c368c8b8306231c1aa6e333ceb4e359508
13:28:31 <gjanssens> It violates the docbook dtd
13:28:42 <warlord> gjanssens: make check of which? gnucash-docs?
13:28:52 <gjanssens> gnucash-docs indeed
13:29:09 <gjanssens> it runs xmllint on the xml files to detect all kinds of xml issues
13:29:44 <gjanssens> (like the dtd violation currently in master)
13:30:10 <warlord> No, the script doesn't do that..
13:30:20 <warlord> it assumes that if "make" works, then all is well
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13:31:31 <gjanssens> That may be a useful addition then as well to get an early warning if a bad commit is pushed
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13:32:55 <warlord> well, the "early warning" only goes into my inbox ;)
13:35:48 <gjanssens> Hmm, yeah, so much for an "early warning"
13:37:39 <warlord> I suppose I could change the email forwarding for that cron job
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13:48:36 <gjanssens> That would be a first ci test in place
13:49:07 <gjanssens> I have been wanting to add travis ci testing in our github repos but never got around to it.
13:49:35 <gjanssens> And still won't in the short term
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14:05:21 <warlord> gjanssens: scripts updated to use git fetch and then git reset.
14:05:34 <warlord> gjanssens: not sure if I should add the 'make check' to the -docs?
14:05:43 <warlord> gjanssens: nor whether I should change the error email.
14:08:47 <warlord> (right now I have "MAILTO=root" -- I could easily change that)
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14:53:26 <gjanssens> warlord: good
14:53:26 <gjanssens> Just leave the mail and make check as it is for now.
14:53:26 <gjanssens> It was only a half-baked idea
14:59:12 <warlord> okay.
15:01:43 <Simon> when I enter a new transaction in the blank split, which function is called to add it and update the gui?
15:02:42 <Simon> I've implemented https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647230 but I'm not quite happy with it - I want to make it scroll down by one row immediately after adding a new transaction
15:12:23 <Simon> ... but only if the transaction is in the past - this is a bit awkward
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15:58:29 <warlord> @nick gncbot
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16:22:40 <warlord> grr... network is doing the bouncy thing today.
16:22:59 <Simon> you probably want to do a "git fetch --mirror" and then "git reset --hard"
16:23:11 <Simon> (on an automated build server)
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16:33:57 <warlord> Simon: no need; it's only pulling master so additional branches don't matter
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21:58:33 <warlord> boingy boingy...
21:58:41 <warlord> I have a network tech coming Sunday morning.
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