2014-07-01 GnuCash IRC logs

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00:51:23 <mia> hello
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09:16:25 <lmat> @op
09:16:25 <gncbot> lmat: Error: You don't have the #gnucash,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
09:16:30 * lmat snaps
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09:28:40 <warlord> lmat: why do you keep trying that?
09:30:04 <lmat> warlord: Just in case ;)
09:32:31 <warlord> :-P
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09:40:27 <gjanssens> jralls: can I send you a pm ?
09:41:03 <jralls> You mean to my phone? Sure.
09:41:17 <gjanssens> Heh, I meant irc
09:41:33 <jralls> OK, that's fine too.
09:45:51 <gjanssens> jralls: on the topic of GnuCash
09:46:17 <gjanssens> I noticed that your boost-on-windows patch changed the default SF_MIRROR url
09:46:40 <gjanssens> And almost immediatly after a bug report was filed that the sf downloads stopped working
09:46:51 <gjanssens> Do you remember why you changed that url ?
09:47:10 <gjanssens> I have changed it back for now and it seems to work as is now for me
09:50:37 <jralls> Weird. I changed it because the old one is a specific mirror and doesn't work well in California. The one I changed to is supposed to redirect to the one "nearest" in internet terms to the downloader. But maybe that only works from the US.
09:54:21 <jralls> Hmm. Did you notice if it had any effect on the scheduled build on code?
09:54:47 <gjanssens> I haven't checked that yet
09:55:38 <gjanssens> I'll drop a package on the server and verify tomorrow if the download failed or not
09:56:37 <gjanssens> The related bug report is https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=731864
09:56:59 <gjanssens> It also mentions a more generic download url but I haven't tested yet whether that works with wget or not
09:57:12 <gjanssens> If so that might be a better approach
09:57:19 <jralls> No need. Boost is the new package that caused me to change the URL, and it's built on code. Last night's build went through OK.
09:57:57 <gjanssens> Sure but it was downloaded with a hard coded url
09:58:09 <gjanssens> I have changed this to use the mirror prefix instead
09:58:17 <gjanssens> So a test would still be useful imo
09:59:22 <jralls> OK. But I just looked at the bug report and it's complaining that the "heanet" URL doesn't work. I think that was the one that I replaced.
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10:01:19 <gjanssens> I checked the code: you used downloads.sf.net only for the boost package
10:01:58 <gjanssens> And changed the heanet url from heanet.dl.sourceforge.net to heanet.sourceforge.net
10:02:12 <gjanssens> The latter doesn't work according to the bug reporter
10:02:38 <gjanssens> But I think your downloads.sf.net may so I'll set that one and check again
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10:02:54 <gjanssens> I mean I'll set it as generic SF_MIRROR
10:03:23 <jralls> It wouldn't, since there is no heanet.sourceforge.net. I must have changed the overall default and changed my mind, then changed it back to the wrong thing.
10:04:50 <jralls> Downloads.sf.net is the correct generic one. The URL the bug reporter suggests is for manual retrieval and IIRC won't work with wget or curl.
10:05:03 <gjanssens> That's how I remember it as well
10:06:54 <jralls> On the subject of windows builds, are we ready to delete packaging/win32?
10:07:34 <jralls> @op
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10:11:02 <gjanssens> No, not yet
10:11:18 <gjanssens> I should be able to work on this before I am on holidays (next week)
10:12:05 <gjanssens> downloads.sf.net works fine on my local system
10:12:15 <jralls> Good.
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13:37:38 <rogersja> is there anyway to override the automatic calculation of sales tax when using a tax table, upon vendor invoice entry?
13:38:57 <rogersja> i.e i have $1,000 in an airfare receipt, but that is made up of 20 or so individual charges (flight, fuel, baggage, etc) and the sales tax is 5.0% but is only assessed on a portion of the total cost. such that the sales tax amount is not 5% of 1000
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13:39:37 <rogersja> I don’t need/want to enter all 20 itemized charges. so I want to override the auto calc of sales tax
13:40:00 <gjanssens> rogersja: no you can't override it
13:40:14 <gjanssens> What you can do is split your total based on the taxes being applied
13:40:41 <gjanssens> If 5% is only charged on say 400 then you make one line with amount 400 and tax table 5%
13:40:49 <gjanssens> And a second line of 600 without tax table
13:41:17 <rogersja> thats what I’ve been doing, but it makes an awful dirty GL
13:41:22 <warlord> rogersja: or better yet, just don't mark it as taxable and that way no tax gets computed on that line-item
13:41:55 <rogersja> and spliting the tax out manually and coding to a tax account looses the tax reporting functions of using tax tables
13:41:55 <warlord> although it begs the question of why you care about the tax portions of airfare?
13:42:32 <rogersja> here in canada we have recoverable and non recoverable sales taxes on goods and services purcchased
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13:42:42 <warlord> Not really.. all it does is split it out into the associated account ; you could do that manually.
13:42:53 <jralls> @op
13:42:53 <gncbot> jralls: Error: I need to be opped to op someone.
13:43:31 <jralls> warlord: Hey Derek, gncbot doesn't have op.
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13:44:01 <gjanssens> jralls it does now :)
13:44:08 <rogersja> so in effect there is 5% (recoverable) tax on a portion of the 1000, and 7% (non-recoverable) tax. I need to keep track of each, as we can net our recoverable sales tax paid against our sales tax recevied when remitting to Canada Revenue
13:44:11 <jralls> Thanks, Geert.
13:44:14 <jralls> @op
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13:44:15 <gjanssens> np
13:45:01 <rogersja> the rules for applying each tax are quite complicated depending on the province, and the type of goods sold/purchased
13:45:46 <warlord> rogersja: I dont see how using the tax tables makes it any more "reportable" than doing it manually
13:46:04 <warlord> There is no report that tells you "this entry came from a tax table, that other one did not"
13:46:34 <warlord> indeed, there is no tie between the tax split in the posted transaction and the tax table(s) that generated that split
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13:48:21 <rogersja> I don’t need a tie between the tax transaction and the original expesnse.
13:49:03 <rogersja> however I do need to know the difference between each provinces taxes as they need to be reported differently for each region
13:49:25 <warlord> rogersja: the way to do that is use different accounts per province
13:49:53 <rogersja> yes i have that now, and different tax tables set up for each one
13:50:25 <rogersja> its a lot faster for data entry to just enter the tax table on the same line, instead of having to create a seperate line on the invoice entry
13:51:12 <rogersja> and works 90% of the time, however there are edge cases where the tax amount is different than what is auto calculated. so it would be nice to be able to override that calculation on original entry
13:51:51 <rogersja> sounds like its not possible, im not really looking for alternatives, although thanks for the help. I suppose now this is more of a feature request
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13:59:33 <warlord> sorry, override is not possible.
13:59:48 <warlord> you could add a new entry with the tax difference.
14:00:26 <rogersja> thanks, adding new entries is a bit ugly and inefficeint. As we’ve been doing this now for a while. I’m now documenting a feature request for this.
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14:03:41 <warlord> rogersja: without a patch I can assure you the feature request might sit for a decade.. (we already have decades-old feature requests)
14:05:54 <rogersja> Ugh, i hear you. I don’t know if I have the cycles to pick up development for another open source project though.
14:06:33 <rogersja> oh well, i suppose it always comes down to the annoy factor for prioritizing my efforts. we’ll see.
14:09:25 <warlord> Yep
14:09:42 <warlord> If you find a developer for whom this becomes an annoyance than it'll get fixed sooner. ;)
14:11:17 <rogersja> Well i’m a developer and implementor of some of the biggest ERP software suites out there, and this tax override thing annoys me, I just need to see if it annoys me more than other things this month
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14:15:07 <warlord> LOL.
14:15:11 <warlord> Fair enough.
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14:15:28 <warlord> Part of the issue is the way GnuCash delays the computation
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14:44:48 <warlord> These little network blips are driving me nuts
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15:21:17 <rborbonth> question my friends: Is there a way to see reports for budgets monthly, when you have a yearly budget?
15:21:39 <rborbonth> I tried looking in settings, but didn't see any option
15:21:48 <warlord> sorry, rborbonth, I dont know -- I dont use the budget feature myself.
15:22:17 <rborbonth> Ok... It's very important to do so
15:22:29 <rborbonth> that way you can gauge yourself
15:22:51 <warlord> Nah, there are other ways to do a budget
15:22:58 <warlord> (or to keep track of your spending habits)
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15:23:08 <rborbonth> I recommend listening to Dave Ramsey's Finnancial Peace University
15:23:16 <rborbonth> it's very interesting
15:23:43 <warlord> Nah, no thanks.
15:23:46 <rborbonth> well, yeah you could track it. Which is what i've been doing until now
15:24:05 <sprung> Hi. Where is the list of plugins for gnucash? i'm interested whether any of my financial services have API's which interface with gnucash
15:24:30 <rborbonth> but that only work if you have enough... If you dont you need to plan
15:24:37 <rborbonth> or how do you do it
15:24:49 <warlord> sprung: gnucash isn't like firefox... pretty much all plugins are part of the system.'
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15:24:53 <rborbonth> I'm always open to new ideas
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15:55:08 <rborbonth> warlord?
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16:02:08 <warlord> rborbonth: did you have another question?
16:02:42 <rborbonth> yes, I asked how do you track/plan spending
16:03:00 <rborbonth> or that subject is not for this chat?
16:03:03 <warlord> tracking is easy -- Run an Income Statement
16:03:21 <warlord> As for planning... I dont have any suggestions beyond what you already know
16:03:28 <warlord> like I said, I dont use GnuCash budget features
16:03:40 <rborbonth> ok... thanks man... I really appreciate all your help
16:03:57 <rborbonth> have a good one
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16:08:21 <warlord> sorry.
16:08:27 <warlord> you can try asking on the gnucash-user mailing list
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17:31:17 <warlord> gjanssens: just FYI, I got a call from Comcast today that they are doing maintenance tonight from midnight-5am which could cause a network outage. That equates to 6-11am your time.
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17:36:29 <gjanssens> warlord: ok, so I know I don't have to send you a mail for it :)
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17:53:31 <gjanssens> jralls: still awake ?
17:56:05 <gjanssens> hmm, probably just talking to the backup process...
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23:54:26 <programmerq> is there a way to modify the invoice ID after the invoice is created? I'd like to do some data entry for invoices from another system, so I want invoice 000001 to be the actual first invoice I sent.
23:54:44 <programmerq> it looks like I pretty much have to delete my existing 000001 and re-data-enter it, yes?