2014-06-24 GnuCash IRC logs
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00:40:41 <dennis> test
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00:59:22 <jethrogb> it's working!
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01:42:24 <naught101> I just opened gnucash for the first time in 9 months, and I'm trying to make a trial balance report (or anything similar that shows final balances) for the 2012-13 financial year, but all of the accounts are showing $0 balances
01:42:50 <naught101> I have checked, and there are definately lots of transactions in many of the accounts, but none of them are showing.
01:43:45 <naught101> Anyone know why that might be? possibly a known bug introduced by a version upgrade in the last 9 months?
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04:04:25 <warlord> gjanssens: I've found that google maps doesn't know about IC connections.
04:05:10 <warlord> To get from Delft to Antwerp it's suggesting taking a bus!
04:05:18 <gjanssens> Oops!
04:05:24 <gjanssens> That would take a long time
04:05:57 <warlord> yeah...
04:06:03 <warlord> 3+ hours
04:09:10 <gjanssens> Did you get my walking tips yesterday ?
04:11:06 <warlord> I dont think so -- how did you send it?
04:11:25 <warlord> Ah, yes, I see it now.
04:16:29 <warlord> Awesome.
04:16:49 <warlord> I've downloaded the map for use while I'm there.
04:17:00 <warlord> Fell emailed me his phone #. I don't know if I have yours.
04:20:09 <gjanssens> You should now
04:20:20 <gjanssens> Got a mail from fell as well
04:20:39 <gjanssens> Got do do some errands, see you in a while
04:22:34 <warlord> ok
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05:19:52 <sanderj_> Is there a list of countries supported with accounting rules and stuff?
05:20:20 <warlord> sanderj_: GnuCash doesn't implement "accounting rules".. That's up to the user.
05:21:07 <warlord> gnucash is a tool that allows you to implement pretty much any GAAP -- it's raw double-entry, so you can apply whatever rules you want/need.
05:21:39 <warlord> There are a handful of pre-defined account hierachies that you can leverage, but there is no requirement to use them; you can create any hiearchy you desire.
05:21:56 <sanderj_> warlord, then, is there a repository of theese kinda rules? So I dont have to care about it when new rules comes out in my country?
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05:22:26 <warlord> sanderj_: no, because as I said, gnucash doesn't implement "rules"
05:23:30 <sanderj_> warlord, so there is no option to spesify tax on an account?
05:24:08 <warlord> no.
05:24:18 <warlord> gnucash only implements taxes in the Invoices/Bills
05:24:35 <warlord> There you can define your own tax table rules and apply them as necessary to each line-item in an Invoice or Bill
05:24:59 <warlord> When you post the Inv/Bill the tax tables get applies and will split the tax amounts into the designated tax accounts.
05:25:17 <warlord> However manually entered transactions will not auto-apply a tax; you need to split the tax out manually.
05:26:00 <warlord> You can leverage gnucash's computation engine, however, so you don't need to compute the tax directly. E.g., you can enter "1234.56*0.035" to compute 3.5% of 1234.56
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07:22:06 <warlord> gjanssens: I'm having lots of trouble acquiring a ticket :(
07:22:18 <gjanssens> :(
07:22:24 <gjanssens> What's the problem ?
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07:25:39 <warlord> It wasn't accepting my credit card..
07:25:56 <warlord> And at this point I dont know if I have any way to print a ticket out, and I dont know if I can pick it up in Delft.
07:26:14 <warlord> I also don't know if I can buy it from Delft's station.
07:26:42 <warlord> (I can probably print something at the hotel tonight, so I'm not 100% worried about that -- but the system wasn't accepting my credit card)
07:26:54 <warlord> I can try again with a different card, I suppose
07:27:56 <gjanssens> Got called for lunch
07:28:09 <warlord> no worries. I'm going to try once more with a different CC
07:28:20 <gjanssens> warlord: I sent you a pm...
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08:07:37 <sanderj_> warlord, ok.. so there is no repository of theese rules for diffrent countries? you basicly have to figure them out yourself and apply them?
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08:10:26 <warlord> Just like you'd have to figure them out if you used Pen & Paper.
08:10:51 <warlord> They change way too often to make it reasonable to have a collection.
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08:32:14 <sanderj_> warlord, most accounting programs have theese rules built in. Eg. tax cut tables for giving out salery is always updated each year..
08:33:48 <warlord> sanderj_: and how much do you pay for said "most accounting programs"?
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08:34:21 <sanderj_> Oh well. Alot more.
08:35:15 <warlord> Right..
08:35:33 <warlord> You are paying for someone to go and monitor each locale to keep that up to date
08:38:56 <sanderj_> So it's not possible to get gnucash users to do that on a community level?
08:39:15 <warlord> you are welcome to try
08:39:29 <warlord> but i doubt you'll get someone to warrant the data
08:39:43 <warlord> (i.e., you will always be on the hook yourself to verify that it is correct for your locale)
08:40:34 <sanderj_> How many users does gnucash have?
08:40:56 <warlord> ummm... there really is no way to know that.
08:41:24 <sanderj_> I guess some distros have some usage statistics.
08:41:38 <warlord> We know how many people have downloaded from SF, but we have no way to count redistributions (including, e.g., anyone running Linux and running gnucash from their distro)
08:42:11 <sanderj_> Is there any numbers you could give me?
08:42:36 <warlord> not immediately. You're welcome to look at SF -- that info *may* be public
08:42:43 <sanderj_> Ah, ok.. Nice:)
08:43:47 <sanderj_> 6779 downloads this week. Thats pretty impressive :)
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09:12:50 <madduck> How do I create a transaction with two destination accounts?
09:12:57 <madduck> e.g. http://www.teialehrbuch.de/Kostenlose-Kurse/Rechnungswesen-mit-Beispielen-aus-Lexware-und-DATEV/images/04_15.jpg
09:15:00 <warlord> madduck: split it
09:15:24 <warlord> click on the split button to expand it and then make multiple debit entries to the various expense accounts.
09:15:45 <madduck> aha!
09:16:07 <madduck> I was going via the "create transaction" menu item ("Buchen" in de_DE) and the dialog didn't seem to let me split
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09:18:24 <warlord> Yeah, you cannot do it from there -- that only enters basic transactions. You need to do it from the register (which is, honestly, the preferred input method)
09:20:09 <madduck> thanks warlord
09:20:12 <madduck> i have much to learn ;)
09:20:52 <warlord> enjoy
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10:04:10 <Tadpole92> I am just setting up Gnucash and I notice that all the report have strange characters in them .eg instead of a decimal point I get an e acute . How do I fix this ?
10:07:28 <gjanssens> Tadpole92, you may want to change the default font for your report's stylesheet
10:07:48 <gjanssens> I have seen similar problems before from Windows users
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10:11:32 <Tadpole92> i am a windows XP user . The default font for number cells is San Normal 10 which I assume should be OK
10:13:39 <gjanssens> I have never seen issues with this font on XP, but several people reported such issues on more recent versions.
10:13:52 <gjanssens> I suspect it to be locale thing
10:14:02 <warlord> could it also be the theme?
10:14:28 <gjanssens> "Sans" is not a native Windows font so it gets replaced by a substitute font either by Gtk or by Windows
10:15:02 <gjanssens> Perhaps the replacement font is a poor choice ?
10:15:24 <gjanssens> The theme also defines a default font to use for Gtk applications
10:16:12 <gjanssens> But from my understanding this is used wherever no font is explicitely defined, like the menus and such
10:16:50 <Tadpole92> In windows I have set " Standards and Formats " to English UK .
10:17:21 <gjanssens> That should be a pretty common case
10:17:21 <Tadpole92> What is a native Windows format ?
10:17:51 <gjanssens> Oh, not a Windows format, a Windows font
10:18:01 <gjanssens> Any font that is installed on your computer should do
10:18:23 <gjanssens> But "Sans" is only refering to a font family
10:19:01 <gjanssens> So either Gtk or Windows pick an arbitrary font that should be in that family
10:19:13 <gjanssens> I have no clue where exactly this happens or how
10:21:37 <Tadpole92> I have changed the default font for number cells to Courier New Normal 10 . Courier is a Windows font . But this has no effect .
10:23:24 <gjanssens> Hmm odd, can you post a screenshot ?
10:27:06 <Tadpole92> When I copy it from the report it shows correctly "-£400.00 "
10:27:43 <warlord> Tadpole92: what version of gnucash?
10:28:51 <Tadpole92> Version 2.6.3
10:31:11 <Tadpole92> I also tried copying it to pastebin.com and again it showed correctly .
10:31:33 <gjanssens> So it's clearly a display issue in GnuCash
10:31:48 <gjanssens> Did you close and reopen the report after you changed the font ?
10:38:42 <Tadpole92> Yes- it had no effect . But other changes I made on the style sheet had no effect either - eg I increased the font size .
10:40:49 <warlord> silly question, but are you sure you applied your modified style sheet to the report?
10:43:18 <Tadpole92> I wondered . How do I tell ?
10:44:05 <warlord> check the report options?
10:47:02 <gjanssens> Tadpole92: if "Enable symlinks" is activated in the stylesheet your number cells are formatted using the "Account link" font property
10:47:20 <gjanssens> Not exactly intuitive but that's what I just found out
10:48:13 <gjanssens> The quickest way to apply a stylesheet after changes appears to be to choose a different stylesheet in the report options
10:48:27 <gjanssens> hit apply, select the original stylesheet again and hit apply again
10:52:47 <Tadpole92> OK I now realize my mistake. I had not linked the Style sheet in the Report Options. This has got rid of the strange characters . I will experiment more .
10:52:53 <Tadpole92> Thank You .
10:55:23 <gjanssens> You're welcome
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22:40:40 <david> does gnucash have forums?
23:02:52 <david> I'm trying to use gnucash for a small service business
23:03:13 <david> I have two problems though. I don't like the invoice and there seems to be no easy way to change it.
23:04:03 <david> The other problem is that I track expenses by jobs and I see no feature to site or use a customer or job name when I make purchases using transaction/register for my bank account