2014-06-16 GnuCash IRC logs

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00:38:44 <mns> where do I file bugs for Gnucash Android ?
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02:16:14 <mikee> mns: https://github.com/codinguser/gnucash-android
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07:16:07 <mns> mikee: thanks. seems like there is a bug open for what I was going to report, but I'll add my report as well.
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08:41:12 <MyXelf> hello everyone
08:42:00 <MyXelf> i've recently discovered gnucash (last week)
08:42:23 <MyXelf> and i want to say thanks for this nice software
08:42:52 <MyXelf> lot of things to learn, and at least one problem to solve
08:43:05 <MyXelf> nothing new, at least it is already reported in bugzilla
08:43:33 <MyXelf> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723410
08:46:11 <MyXelf> i'm using a dark theme, and the numeric values in the accounts tree are set to "black"
08:46:46 <MyXelf> i was looking around the code and saw in 'src/gnome-utils/gnc-tree-view.c'
08:47:04 <MyXelf> the use of GNC_TREE_VIEW_COLUMN_COLOR_NONE
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08:49:19 <MyXelf> around line 2006
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08:49:40 <MyXelf> i think this is easily solvable, by defining the other predefined color
08:50:13 <MyXelf> or by reusing the current solution for the columns of type text, which correctly display the right color
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08:54:32 <MyXelf> i'm using v2.6.3 (30-05-2014)
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09:14:24 <lmat> MyXelf: Welcome :)
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09:14:51 <jralls> lmat: I just force-pushed to c++-build on github; I rebased it from master, and I'm about to merge it into master. Please rebase your guidcpp branch.
09:15:03 <lmat> jralls: no prob :)
09:18:10 <lmat> jralls: force-pushed.
09:18:26 <jralls> lmat: thanks.
09:20:16 <MyXelf> imat: hi there
09:20:41 <MyXelf> imat: and thanks for welcoming me!
09:22:14 <programmerq> I am curious if there is a way to manually specify the order of transactions that happen on the same day.
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09:22:29 <programmerq> http://gnucash.uservoice.com/forums/101223-feature-request/suggestions/1602507-manually-change-ordering-of-transactions - this suggests that the featuer is implemented, and I may just not know how to use it
09:22:32 <programmerq> I use 2.6.3
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11:07:08 <gjanssens> programmerq: during the development of gnucash 2.6 work was ongoing on a rewrite of the register.
11:07:22 <gjanssens> The reordering of transactions was added to this rewrite.
11:07:55 <gjanssens> Unfortunately the rewrite was disabled in the last minute before the 2.6 release because it was way to unstable
11:08:14 <gjanssens> So the reordering feature itself didn't make it in 2.6 unfortunately
11:08:50 <gjanssens> We should probably reopen the uservoice request and associated bug report.
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11:17:44 <programmerq> ah
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11:22:50 <brian_greene> hello
11:33:47 <warlord> programmerq: enter them in the order you want them to be..
11:35:13 <warlord> gjanssens: w.r.t. Antwerp, the station I'd want is Antwerpen Centraal, right? The 50m train appears to be a Thalys; can one have an open-ended (time) ticket or must I choose the actual return time when I buy?
11:47:42 <gjanssens> warlord: Antwerpen Centraal is correct.
11:48:18 <gjanssens> wrt to the return time it looks like you have to choose a return time in advance
11:48:49 <gjanssens> Depending on the chosen formula you may be able to change your ticket before departure
11:49:02 <gjanssens> But I have never tried that so I don't know how flexible that would be
11:50:09 <gjanssens> I mean I'm not sure if you decide at 15h you prefer to take the 18h train instead of the 16h one
11:50:24 <gjanssens> If there would still be room available on the 18h one or not
11:50:29 <warlord> Right.
11:52:59 <warlord> There appears to be a 14:30, 16:30, 17:30, or 19:30 return
11:53:38 <gjanssens> The IC trains are much more flexible in that respect, but much slower as well
11:54:03 <gjanssens> You can buy a ticket for that day and take any train at any time
11:54:52 <gjanssens> But if you decide for Thalys, we'd have to think a bit on how much time we wish to spend
11:55:22 <gjanssens> 14:30 is a bit sharp imo
11:55:32 <warlord> I was thinking 16:30 or 17:30 return..
11:55:40 <gjanssens> 16:30 or 17:30 seem more reasonable
11:55:55 <gjanssens> ...as you say ;)
11:56:04 <warlord> :50m is much better than 1h29 or 1h46
11:56:32 <gjanssens> Clearly
11:57:23 <gjanssens> If you take 17:30 then both fell_ and I will have lots of traffic jams to get back home again
11:57:33 <gjanssens> So perhaps 16:30 would be good
11:58:01 <gjanssens> (Unless fell_ will take the train as well)
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12:03:23 <gjanssens> hey fell what do you think of the timing ?
12:04:42 <fell> I just checked the travel time: Over the highway in theory it is 1:30, by train 2-3h
12:06:33 <fell> If there is too much traffic,I will drink a kopje koffie before my return. ;-)
12:06:41 <warlord> lol
12:06:53 <gjanssens> :)
12:10:22 <gjanssens> Well both are fine for me also really
12:11:08 <warlord> 17:30 arrives back at 18:20, which still is in time to grab dinner with my co-worker
12:13:24 <warlord> So either return works for me; it's more a question of how much time we want to spend together, and what there is to do in Antwerp ;)
12:17:13 <gjanssens> lmat: I just pulled jrall's merge into my local clone - congrats on your first commit :)
12:17:51 <lmat> gjanssens: thanks :)
12:18:17 <gjanssens> warlord: Antwerp is Belgium's second biggest city after Brussels (which is peanuts compared to American or German cities)
12:18:29 <gjanssens> There's plenty of things to see/do
12:18:38 <gjanssens> It mostly depends on your interest
12:19:05 <warlord> ok
12:19:06 <jralls> gjanssens: jralls's ;-)
12:19:23 <gjanssens> The shopping street is nice to stroll through with many historical façades
12:19:38 <gjanssens> jralls: heh, thanks for the lesson in English :)
12:19:57 <gjanssens> There are musea
12:20:16 <gjanssens> There is the Schelde (river), parks, squares
12:20:21 <gjanssens> And pubs obviously
12:20:33 <gjanssens> Plenty of pubs
12:20:55 <jralls> How does Antwerp beer compare to Brussels beer?
12:21:09 <gjanssens> jralls It's all Belgian beer
12:21:23 <gjanssens> You can find most popular brands everywhere
12:21:46 <gjanssens> If you want to taste some more exclusive ones you'd have to search for specialized pubs
12:22:07 <gjanssens> The odd thing is most pubs "specialize" in a couple of them, but rarely in all
12:22:11 <jralls> By "exclusive" do you mean locally brewed?
12:22:33 <gjanssens> That exists as well but is ever more rare
12:22:41 <gjanssens> I really meant the less common beers
12:22:58 <gjanssens> Belgium has well over 300 beers
12:23:02 <jralls> >ever more rare: That's too bad.
12:23:12 <gjanssens> You can hardly expect each pub to serve all of them
12:23:48 <jralls> And I've got 21 days, less the 4 in Amsterdam and 2 in Paris. So 15 days, 20/day. That's going to be hard.
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12:24:57 <gjanssens> Sorry, I grossly understated that: this pub serves well over 3000 beers:
12:25:03 <gjanssens> http://deliriumcafe.be/ (website in french)
12:25:11 <warlord> I was there!
12:25:14 <jralls> Here we have "brewpubs", which have a mini-brewery attached to the pub.
12:25:26 <gjanssens> That would be a recommended spot to visit by the way when you are in Brussels
12:26:05 <gjanssens> Such brewpubs exist in Belgium as well, but I don't know any in Brussels
12:26:09 <warlord> agreed: definitely visit that.
12:26:22 <gjanssens> That doesn't mean they don't exist, it just means I don't know them
12:26:47 * gjanssens is an odd kind of Belgian
12:26:57 <gjanssens> I don't really like beer :(
12:27:29 <gjanssens> A dangerous thing to say around here in some social groups :)
12:27:50 <jralls> Do you prefer wine?
12:27:54 <gjanssens> Yes
12:29:04 <gjanssens> Most of the better restaurants here serve excellent wines
12:29:16 <gjanssens> You won't find many Belgian wines though
12:29:24 <gjanssens> The climat here is not ideal
12:29:56 <gjanssens> France is traditionally known for its wine (and cheese)
12:30:25 <gjanssens> But Germany and most other southern countries have excellent wines as well
12:30:37 <jralls> Netherlands is known for cheese as well. Does Belgium have any interesting local cheeses?
12:30:47 <gjanssens> I especially appreciate German Riesling wines
12:31:24 <jralls> My taste in whites is more to Alsace or Burgundy.
12:31:43 <gjanssens> There are Belgian cheeses, but I don't know off-hand
12:31:58 <gjanssens> Do you prefer goat cheese or cow cheese ?
12:32:10 <jralls> Yes. Also sheep cheese.
12:32:24 * gjanssens has a friend who produced good goat cheeses for years
12:32:33 <gjanssens> He might give me some good tips
12:33:06 * jralls would be as big as an american house if he ate all the cheese he wanted!
12:33:13 <gjanssens> lol
12:33:34 <gjanssens> From my Belgian perspective that sounds like huuugge !
12:34:32 <jralls> American houses are pretty enormous by European standards. At Habitat for Humanity we build "affordable" houses, and they're around 1400 sq. ft.
12:35:17 <jralls> Which Google tells me is ~130 m^2.
12:36:14 <gjanssens> That's ground floor only ?
12:36:22 <gjanssens> Or do you build in several stores ?
12:36:23 <fell> Most belgian monastries made their own beer and cheese, eg. Val dieu close to Aubel
12:36:44 <gjanssens> Ah, indeed fell - good tip
12:37:20 <gjanssens> Several of them still sell those but the production is often outsourced now
12:37:34 <gjanssens> Except for a few like Orval and Westvleteren
12:38:15 <jralls> Generally 2-storey, though we've done 3 on some sites.
12:38:16 <gjanssens> Westvleteren is hard to get. So if you want to taste and its in the list don't hesiate !
12:39:03 <gjanssens> I'm just trying to compare - so 130m² is the total surface of both storeys combined ?
12:39:26 <jralls> Yes. Total living space.
12:39:27 <gjanssens> That would be like an average house in Belgium as well
12:40:50 <jralls> Right. This is a *small* house in the US. Most new houses in the San Francisco area are ~220 m^2, with larger still being more popular.
12:41:31 <jralls> But it's expensive to build here because of the earthquake codes. Other parts of the country have larger houses at much lower prices.
12:42:07 * gjanssens has always wondered what "Habitat day" meant
12:42:20 <gjanssens> That looks like a nice project to work on
12:42:40 <jralls> http://www.habitatebsv.org/
12:45:22 <gjanssens> Tx for the link
12:46:58 <warlord> Yeah, houses here in Atlanta are much larger..
12:49:26 <jralls> Especially in Buckhead! ;-)
12:54:03 <warlord> yeah, true
12:54:16 <warlord> moving from BOS to ATL my house size nearly doubled.
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13:25:13 <fell> Gjanssens: I just found a speciality: Antwerpse Handjes
13:26:32 <gjanssens> :) Indeed, but those are sweets
13:26:38 <gjanssens> Not something you have for lunch
13:27:17 <gjanssens> You can have some with your coffee while you wait for the traffic to calm down though ;)
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13:28:07 <fell> :-)
13:28:52 <gjanssens> Does anyone know why we are extracting symbols from hhctrl.ocx ?
13:29:13 <gjanssens> The windows build script run pexports and later dlltool on this
13:29:30 <gjanssens> Are we linking against these somewhere on Windows ?
13:31:51 <gjanssens> Oh nevermind, found it
13:32:08 <gjanssens> We need these symbols to be able to open a chtml file from withing GnuCash
13:32:48 <fell> warlord: http://www.visitantwerpen.be
13:33:34 <warlord> thanks, fell
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13:52:57 <gjanssens> Someone can give me a mini guide through the various library extensions used by gcc ?
13:53:14 <gjanssens> .a ? .la ? .lib ?
13:54:24 <gjanssens> Then you also have .lo ? .Plo ?
13:54:30 <warlord> gjanssens: .a is a static library. .la is a Libtool Archive. .lib is a windows library (I believe it might be the equivalent of the linkable .so versus the runtime .so.1)
13:55:19 <warlord> I believe the .lo and .Plo are IIRC libtool stuff.
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13:55:29 <mib_hal3px> I wonder if this actually works? http://EachInvitePay.com/?share=657
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13:55:48 <gjanssens> tx warlord I'm trying to make sense of the trickery we're performing on the htmlhelp library on Windows
13:57:17 <warlord> okay..
13:57:40 <gjanssens> The script is running dlltool to generate libhtmlhelp.a
13:57:54 <gjanssens> and then moves libhtmlhelp.lib out of the way
13:58:38 <gjanssens> googling around suggests that hhctrl.ocx is the actual dll containing the code bodies of the functions we use
13:59:20 <gjanssens> is libhtmlhelp.a some stub then, a compatibility layer between mingw code and windows code ?
14:00:09 <gjanssens> What I mostly care about is do we *have* to move the htmlhelp.lib out of the way to get this working
14:00:47 <gjanssens> or was this just an extra precaution to make extra sure it's not picked up before libhtmlhelp.a ?
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14:01:46 <gjanssens> The thing is on a Windows 7 machine the user is probably not authorized anyway to rename the lib
14:02:02 <gjanssens> because htmlhelp workshop can only be install with admin privileges
14:02:06 <warlord> More likely it's an extraction of the .o files from the .dll into a statically linkable version.
14:02:10 <gjanssens> s/install/installed/
14:02:34 <gjanssens> ok
14:02:51 <gjanssens> that would explain why the dll is moved out of the way
14:03:04 <gjanssens> it would be preferred over the statically linkable version
14:03:18 <gjanssens> is there another way to force this using linker flags ?
14:04:48 <warlord> I dont know.
14:07:38 <gjanssens> ok
14:09:54 <gjanssens> googling suggests this: g++ -Wl,-Bstatic -lz -lfoo -Wl,-Bdynamic -lbar
14:10:04 <gjanssens> I'll play with it and see what happens
14:11:02 <gjanssens> Oh, or I can generate the static library in another directory and make sure the directory with the dynamic library is not on the linker's search path
14:11:19 <gjanssens> That's probably even better and in line with what I was already planning
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15:01:28 <steve> anyone around? i'm trying out gnucash for the first time, and i'm running into some problems. importing a .qfx from my credit union, gnucash crashes (but by running it in gdb, i'm able to see that it spits out an "Invalid QFX" file error before it dies). importing a .csv file, it gives me errors that it couldn't understand the deposit column (wherever that is empty) and couldn't understand the withdrawal column (wherever that is empty
15:01:28 <steve> )...
15:02:34 <steve> i'm assuming crashes shouldn't be happening, but what's vexing is that i can't import statements from my credit union either by .qfx or .csv
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15:25:28 <mlf> warlord: that's what should happen, and what used to happen. Somehow it got mucked up. I've tried every setting I can find, but so far haven't found the magic cookie.
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15:46:22 <jethrogb> question: I received money from an insurance company. I want to keep track of expenses made with this money seperately. I'd use a subaccount of a bank account for this, except not all the money is in the same bank account. What would be the proper way to account this?
15:51:43 <brian_greene> why not?
15:52:13 <brian_greene> I would use a section of expenses to keep track of it
15:57:30 <jethrogb> yeah I guess that is the least complicated way
15:58:09 <jethrogb> except when I want to look for something later I won't be able to find it in the "right" expense category
16:10:17 <brian_greene> why not
16:10:29 <brian_greene> make a section for the expenses you wish to track
16:10:44 <brian_greene> say you have 5000 in one bank and 2000 in another bank
16:11:00 <brian_greene> you want to use 7000 or certain types of expenses in total
16:11:11 <brian_greene> just make a group of those expenses
16:11:19 <brian_greene> so that no matter which bank you take from the money from
16:11:27 <brian_greene> you can see that subgroup of expenses
16:11:29 <brian_greene> to control it
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16:25:53 <jethrogb> I decided to have a single subaccount anyway, and then for every expense transaction also have a transaction for the same amount from that subaccount to its parent bank account
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16:47:41 <fell> steve: follow http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Something_bad_happened.3B_how_can_I_help_debug.3F to isolate the errors
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17:19:15 <steve> so, submit a bug report with a stack trace?
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18:16:20 <warlord> mlf: Honestly, I dont know. Can you post a screen shot of what exactly comes up?
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